Creationists: How does creation explain the existence of parasites?

[Bungle_Bear]

Sin brought DEATH (of any kind) into our world. Sin effected everything God originally created (everything was good and VERY good) no death. So, that what we see that involves death and/or destruction wasn't as He originally created.

God is all about life.

Sin didn't bring death. If you believe the bible God brought death because of sin. Like a big child having a hissy fit, he broke his favourite toy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sin didn't bring death.

Either that, or it did.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[eleos1954]

Sin didn't bring death. If you believe the bible God brought death because of sin. Like a big child having a hissy fit, he broke his favourite toy.

Sin came into the world via lucifer/satan .....then through Adam & Eve into the human race ... sin is not from God .... and yes sin brought death ... sin is transgression of the law and God don't break His laws.

Romans 5:12

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

James 1:15

Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

 

[dlamberth]

Sin came into the world via lucifer/satan .....then through Adam & Eve into the human race ... sin is not from God .... and yes sin brought death ... sin is transgression of the law and God don't break His laws.

This is where I part ways with Christian beliefs in a pretty major way.

 

[pitabread]

Sin came into the world via lucifer/satan

So does this mean that satan created disease, parasites, etc?

 

[AV1611VET]

This is where I part ways with Christian beliefs in a pretty major way.

You won't get far.

 

[eleos1954]

This is where I part ways with Christian beliefs in a pretty major way.

so be it ;o)

 

[Ophiolite]

Sin came into the world via lucifer/satan .....then through Adam & Eve into the human race ... sin is not from God .... and yes sin brought death ... sin is transgression of the law and God don't break His laws.

Romans 5:12

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

James 1:15

Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

It is a relatively consistent story that certainly resonates in a powerful way with many people. From my perspective I cannot help but notice that the majority of such people were raised in the religion. For me, that sounded warning bells. It promoted my own intensive and extended examination of my Christian faith.

On the plus side the teachings of Jesus were attractive. On the downside the religion grew out of the stories of a nomadic people who lived and died millenia ago. And there was no substantive evidence to support the interpretations made by the various sects and denominataions. And I'd reached the conclusion that faith was a dangerous concept on which to base anything. And revelation was not an experience I had had, at least not one that could not be exlained by physiology.

Thus, I wholly reject the concept of sin and its origin, preferring an ethical base that follows the caring and cooperative aspects of Jesus' teaching, adapted by what we have learned in the last 2,000 years. Silly not to, really.

 

[dlamberth]

You won't get far.

The way I look at it, the parasite as described in the OP is not living it's life cycle because of the actions of Adam and Eve's influence by Satan. What's going on is the Creative process that we get through evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

The way I look at it, the parasite as described in the OP is not living it's life cycle because of the actions of Adam and Eve's influence by Satan. What's going on is the Creative process that we get through evolution.

I'm asking you Gaea's role in all of this, and you seem to be stalling.

You're always good at telling me what Mother Nature is doing in other instances; but for some reason, you're fudging now.

I suspect it's because you're getting the message that your benevolent Gaea isn't as benevolent as you think she is.

 

[dlamberth]

I'm asking you Gaea's role in all of this, and you seem to be stalling.

You're always good at telling me what Mother Nature is doing in other instances; but for some reason, you're fudging.

I suspect it's because you're getting the message that your benevolent Gaea isn't as benevolent as you think she is.

I've answered. Maybe, as you have told me, it's over your head.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've answered. Maybe, as you have told me, it's over your head.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Sin came into the world via lucifer/satan .....then through Adam & Eve into the human race ... sin is not from God .... and yes sin brought death ... sin is transgression of the law and God don't break His laws.

Romans 5:12

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

James 1:15

Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

Why would God need to create a tree of life if there was no death?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would God need to create a tree of life if there was no death?

For freewill purposes.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

God always sets before us two choices: life or death; and He's very clear on which one we are to choose.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Many parasitic organisms have complex lifecycles; in some cases they are dependent on multiple species for their reproductive cycle.

Take for example, Leucochloridium paradoxum. It's a parasitic organism that reproduces via eggs inside of birds. Then the fecal matter containing the eggs are consumed by snails. The eggs hatch inside the snail and then proceed to develop into a sporocyst with various branches throughout the snail's body. The ends of the branches then develop into a broodsac which infest the snail's eyestalk.

In a highly disturbing aspect of mimicry, the broodsacs will pulsate to attract predation by birds while simultaneously mind-controlling the snail:

(Look up "Leucochloridium" on Youtube if you want to see this in action. Warning: it's a bit gross.)

Birds will then attack the snail, ripping out the broodsac from the eyestalk and then the whole cycle starts over.

This is obviously a highly complicated lifecycle that clearly defies biological evolution. Therefore it must have involved the hand of an intelligent designer.

That said, how and why would an intelligent designer create such an organism? Imagine having a parasite in your eyeball that forces you wait around until it's pecked out by a bird. What purpose does such a parasite serve?

Perhaps lowering the snail population so they don’t dominate the planet?

 

[jacknife]

The way I look at it, the parasite as described in the OP is not living it's life cycle because of the actions of Adam and Eve's influence by Satan. What's going on is the Creative process that we get through evolution.

It's so wired to hear people attache a agenda to nature like good or evil in this thread. Like do they view tidal waves as a inherently evil thing? It harms things but it's just water being water.

 

[jacknife]

I'm asking you Gaea's role in all of this, and you seem to be stalling.

You're always good at telling me what Mother Nature is doing in other instances; but for some reason, you're fudging now.

I suspect it's because you're getting the message that your benevolent Gaea isn't as benevolent as you think she is.

Do you view nature as good Av? Evil? Or maybe neither?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's so wired to hear people attache a agenda to nature like good or evil in this thread. Like do they view tidal waves as a inherently evil thing? It harms things but it's just water being water.

Do you believe in Malthusian catastrophes?

 

[eleos1954]

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

Why would God need to create a tree of life if there was no death?

Choice .... God created His intelligent beings giving them choice ... He didn't make the decision for any of them ..... nor does He with anybody ..... Love requires choice .... you can't MAKE someone love another.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you view nature as good Av? Evil? Or maybe neither?

I believe that, in the beginning, nature was made for man; and not man for nature.

But as a result of the Fall, God cursed nature; and now nature is doing her thing.

Thus while I believe nature is now both evil and benevolent, she is nonetheless absolutely 100% obedient to God.