Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Taodeching]

The self love, self importance, self promote in social media including pics so you’re admired, the wants of self and last but not least, the selfie.

American christianity is farther from the teachings of christ than it’s ever been as it’s embraced the self culture.

The music team is up front with spotlights on their upturned faces so everyone can admire their devotion. The focus is less on Christ and more on what Christ can do to serve your self.

Yes and the anti vaxxers are into self love not self sacrifice, all about what is in it for them. All Star United has a song called "LA LA LAND" that speaks pretty good about American Christianity

and a snippet of the Lyrics:

The question isn't whether it's true
The question, "Is it working for you?"
Marshmallow skies and custardy pies
And nothing's too hard to do

They're five happy verses or so
They told me all I needed to know
Ignore all the rest, trials and tests
And threats to my comfort zone

Well, I've got no time to find out what's real
I stick with what I happen to feel
It feels grand
When you're livin' in La La Land
......
All the saints and martyrs alive
Well, they would have called a national strike
Demanded less pain, more personal gain
If only they'd known their rights
Well, I take it very personally
Yeah, I got to know, what's in it for me?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?

I made a portion of the text bold above because it is all about "my rights" that's what his whole thing is all about with the vaccine - my rights trump everything else, period

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If the average covid death rate is 2%...and it doesn't infect everyone....then actual risk here is less than 2%.

Basically it could be 0.5%....it could be 0.0001%.

You don't know.

Can't look at death rates alone...

Symptomatic Condition
Hospitalization
Death

...all separate metrics that need to be considered.

I've touched on this before...

But how many cases of adverse reactions to vaccines have their been compared to symptomatic cases of covid?

How may vaccine-related hospitalizations compared to covid related hospitalizations?

And how many deaths from each?


Can't fall into the trap of only looking at deaths with regards to covid (and ignoring every other negative outcome), but then considering every possible negative outcome associated with vaccination and shining a spotlight on it.

I've heard that a lot.

People who are opposed to the vaccination will shine the spotlight on the 1200 cases of myocarditis that have happened in young people from vaccination (most of which quickly resolved on their own without medical intervention, very few hospitalizations, and only a couple deaths), and then try to juxtapose that against the low covid death rate for that age group.

That's not a valid comparison.

Just in my own state of Ohio, while the death rate for that age group is low, there have still been ~5,000 hospitalizations for covid in that age group.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Can't look at death rates alone...

Symptomatic Condition
Hospitalization
Death

...all separate metrics that need to be considered.

I've touched on this before...

But how many cases of adverse reactions to vaccines have their been compared to symptomatic cases of covid?

How may vaccine-related hospitalizations compared to covid related hospitalizations?

And how many deaths from each?


Can't fall into the trap of only looking at deaths with regards to covid (and ignoring every other negative outcome), but then considering every possible negative outcome associated with vaccination and shining a spotlight on it.

I've heard that a lot.

People who are opposed to the vaccination will shine the spotlight on the 1200 cases of myocarditis that have happened in young people from vaccination (most of which quickly resolved on their own without medical intervention, very few hospitalizations, and only a couple deaths), and then try to juxtapose that against the low covid death rate for that age group.

That's not a valid comparison.

Just in my own state of Ohio, while the death rate for that age group is low, there have still been ~5,000 hospitalizations for covid in that age group.

Are we looking at all those things for the vaccines as well?

Every hospitalization?

Every symptom?

If we're just talking deaths....let's talk deaths.

If we aren't you've got a lot of data to compile.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes and the anti vaxxers are into self love not self sacrifice, all about what is in it for them. All Star United has a song called "LA LA LAND" that speaks pretty good about American Christianity

and a snippet of the Lyrics:

The question isn't whether it's true
The question, "Is it working for you?"
Marshmallow skies and custardy pies
And nothing's too hard to do

They're five happy verses or so
They told me all I needed to know
Ignore all the rest, trials and tests
And threats to my comfort zone

Well, I've got no time to find out what's real
I stick with what I happen to feel
It feels grand
When you're livin' in La La Land
......
All the saints and martyrs alive
Well, they would have called a national strike
Demanded less pain, more personal gain
If only they'd known their rights
Well, I take it very personally
Yeah, I got to know, what's in it for me?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?

I made a portion of the text bold above because it is all about "my rights" that's what his whole thing is all about with the vaccine - my rights trump everything else, period

From The Captive Mind by Czesław Miłosz...

When people are divided into “loyalists” and “criminals” a premium is placed on every type of conformist, coward, and hireling; whereas among the “criminals” one finds a singularly high percentage of people who are direct, sincere, and true to themselves. From the social point of view these persons would constitute the best guarantee that the future development of the social organism would be toward good.

 

[Taodeching]

From The Captive Mind by Czesław Miłosz...

When people are divided into “loyalists” and “criminals” a premium is placed on every type of conformist, coward, and hireling; whereas among the “criminals” one finds a singularly high percentage of people who are direct, sincere, and true to themselves. From the social point of view these persons would constitute the best guarantee that the future development of the social organism would be toward good.

Anything to maintain number one and "my rights" I reckon.

Pretending to be a Christian is better than being one, loving your neighbor and self sacrifice are just to hard. After all Christianity should be about me and what I can get out of it, others don't matter. - from the mind of me

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Are we looking at all those things for the vaccines as well?

Every hospitalization?

Every symptom?

If we're just talking deaths....let's talk deaths.

If we aren't you've got a lot of data to compile.

Sure, we can look at every symptom, I think we should.

...and should weigh those symptoms accordingly.

For instance, if someone gets a slight achy feeling from the vaccine the next morning, that should be weighed against the results of catching covid.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Anything to maintain number one and "my rights" I reckon

You say that like you think it's bad.

If I don't look out for me....who will?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure, we can look at every symptom, I think we should.

...and should weigh those symptoms accordingly.

For instance, if someone gets a slight achy feeling from the vaccine the next morning, that should be weighed against the results of catching covid.

Personally, I know two people who were hospitalized after vaccinations for symptoms.

I imagine the number must be in the tens of thousands at least.

 

[Taodeching]

You say that like you think it's bad.

It is bad. As an Atheist you have the freedom to be the most selfish person around but we who are Christians are to more concerned with others and not ourselves. I have observed that most Atheist here care about others, not all but most

 

[Tanj]

Personally, I know two people who were hospitalized after vaccinations for symptoms.

What symptoms were they hospitalised for, how long after the vaccination was it before the symptoms arose, and which vaccine did they receive?

I imagine the number must be in the tens of thousands at least.

Well, imagine that.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes and the anti vaxxers are into self love not self sacrifice, all about what is in it for them. All Star United has a song called "LA LA LAND" that speaks pretty good about American Christianity

and a snippet of the Lyrics:

The question isn't whether it's true
The question, "Is it working for you?"
Marshmallow skies and custardy pies
And nothing's too hard to do

They're five happy verses or so
They told me all I needed to know
Ignore all the rest, trials and tests
And threats to my comfort zone

Well, I've got no time to find out what's real
I stick with what I happen to feel
It feels grand
When you're livin' in La La Land
......
All the saints and martyrs alive
Well, they would have called a national strike
Demanded less pain, more personal gain
If only they'd known their rights
Well, I take it very personally
Yeah, I got to know, what's in it for me?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?
Ain't it grand when you're livin' in La La Land?

I made a portion of the text bold above because it is all about "my rights" that's what his whole thing is all about with the vaccine - my rights trump everything else, period

Pretty insightful and I agree except the designating those who don’t want the RNA vaccine as anti-all vaccines. This isn’t true. Also, those who choose to risk the virus are not the ones demanding rights. They are considering their responsibilities to those for whom they ARE responsible. We are not responsible for the choices and health of others. Those who feel the vaccine is worth the risk can do so and are therefore not affected by those who choose a different risk.

 

[Tanj]

We are not responsible for the choices and health of others.

You are when it's your choices affecting their health, in much the same way you are responsible when it's your car that ruins the health of a pedestrian because you decided to run a red light.

Having said that in this instance I actually agree with you, anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated should go ahead and not get vaccinated.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You are when it's your choices affecting their health, in much the same way you are responsible when it's your car that ruins the health of a pedestrian because you decided to run a red light.

That is not the situation. We do not have to bear the responsibility of others choosing to risk the virus or risk the vaccine. That is the situation. You need to stick to the actual situation. We haven’t the right to ask others to risk their health for ours. That puts selfishness in those who insist everyone take the vaccine risk for them.

Having said that in this instance I actually agree with you, anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated should go ahead and not get vaccinated.

I’m glad we agree. There are various reasons NOT to get the vaccine. Some, for example, are more likely to die from it. The many have no right to ask them this especially when anyone afraid of the virus can get the vaccine.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What symptoms were they hospitalised for, how long after the vaccination was it before the symptoms arose, and which vaccine did they receive?



Well, imagine that.

Those who want everyone to get the vaccine will ignore, explain away or trivialize and i’ll effects from the vaccine. My sister knows a man who died right after the vaccine. It happens and it’s best to admit this.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I did, in the very post you quoted. You don't need a really rigorous accounting to know that a vaccine which the data says is very safe is a way better risk than a disease which has spread to 10% of the population in a bit over a year.

That can be argued. Since 99% either recover completely or never show symptoms and some who got the vaccine died or will suffer majorly their whole lives, there is risk. No vaccine is very safe, that is already an indication of ignoring data. Most are fairly safe with minor risks which have not included death so far.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Perhaps some people have facts and data on their side and don't need to bring up off topic diversions when that reality runs headlong into right-wing propaganda and causes their cognitive dissonance to kick in.

It’s more than some choose to ignore data when it’s not favorable to their position and embrace rhetoric. It’s “very safe” is rhetoric, for example.

 

[Tanj]

Those who want everyone to get the vaccine will ignore, explain away or trivialize and i’ll effects from the vaccine.

I made it abundantly clear in my other post that you responded to that I am not one of those people. SO why quote me?

My sister knows a man who died right after the vaccine. It happens and it’s best to admit this.

Until such time you give specifics, such as how soon after which vaccine and what he died from, it's best to admit your vague scary bits are unconvincing. "my sister knows a man". Classic.

 

[Tanj]

That is not the situation.

It sure is. Your lack of understanding notwithstanding.

I’m glad we agree. There are various reasons NOT to get the vaccine. Some, for example, are more likely to die from it. The many have no right to ask them this especially when anyone afraid of the virus can get the vaccine.

Sure. Go with whatever excuse you like. Just make sure you don't get vaccinated, and encourage like minded people to also not.

 

[Strathos]

Before there was a vaccine, I decided that, after a vaccine was widely available to those in my age group, I would wait at least a month before taking it, to assess the risk of potential complications. Due to availability, it ended up being closer to 3 months. But I saw a vanishingly small percentage of people with severe side effects, vastly less than the risks of the virus. So I took the logical step and took the vaccine. I didn't just decide to take it because I trust the government or I believe the scientists who made it are flawless and infallible, or because some politician I agree with said that I should. I took it for practical reasons.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I made it abundantly clear in my other post that you responded to that I am not one of those people. SO why quote me?

I wasn’t meaning you at all. My apologies. I meant KC.

Until such time you give specifics, such as how soon after which vaccine and what he died from, it's best to admit your vague scary bits are unconvincing.

Well, I have to take it back. I guess it does include you.

Those who want the vaccine to be perfectly safe will call every adverse event “unrelated to the vaccine” incomplete ignorance of how the material in the vaccine works. Spike protein ignites platelets which causes blood clots to form. These clots will float around in the body or become attached. They can detach and lodge in the brain or lungs or anywhere weeks later. So the vaccine can have started a reaction that leads to symptoms weeks later. But for those who don’t want such, there’s no connection.

But they are fighting science in countries outside of the US whose doctors recognize the risks and take some action. They removed some vaccines because of the NUMBER of adverse events even requiring hospitalization. But for the vaccine pushes, there are no adverse events at all.