Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[Aldebaran]

One note. even the 2% figure could be easily wrong by a factor of 2. Or even a bit more. That figure relies upon reported cases of Covid and the odds are that the number of actual cases are even higher. But even if the odds of crashing were one out of one thousand very few people would opt to travel by plane. And to make it worse, air travel is a choice. I don't know of anyone that decided to catch Covid.

The number of people injured or dead after the shot could easily be under-reported as well, especially with all the denial and censorship surrounding the issue.
Getting the shot is also a choice (for now).

 

[Aldebaran]

Because they are much, much, much more rare than 2%.

You have to know this.

So what exactly are you up to?

See post #182

 

[expos4ever]

The number of people injured or dead after the shot could easily be under-reported as well, especially with all the denial and censorship surrounding the issue.

And I could win a Nobel Prize.

You have zero evidence of systematic censorship. Quite the opposite - the risks associated with the vaccine are reported on every day (e.g. we hear about someone dying from vaccine-caused myocarditis).

You are basically playing a "what if" game. Let me try. What if it turns out that all that broccoli I am choking down causes cancer? Or what if my neighbour is plotting to kill me? Or what if smoking is actually good for you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

2% would make the plan crashes rather rare. Still a big deal, right? Then why are the "rare" deaths of people after getting the experimental and unapproved shot any less of a big deal?

I think that you have that backwards. 2% would make plane crashes extremely common.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not when we have actual numbers showing the risks of the vaccine are orders of magnitude less than those of the disease.

Ok...what's my risk of catching the disease?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The number of people injured or dead after the shot could easily be under-reported as well, especially with all the denial and censorship surrounding the issue.
Getting the shot is also a choice (for now).

There is no evidence of that. You need something more than crazy conspiracy theories. Why assume the worst of people?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok...what's my risk of catching the disease?

That varies quite a bit. Th problem is that the longer this hangs around the greater the odds of a new strain evolving that is not affected by the vaccine or the acquired immunity of those that have already had it once. Then we would be back at the starting gate again with a deadly virus rampaging through the populace again.

You are looking at this problem incorrectly. A Christian should not be worried about himself. A Christian should be worried about others. By not getting a vaccine you and others like you are putting everybody at risk.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And I could win a Nobel Prize.

You have zero evidence of systematic censorship. Quite the opposite - the risks associated with the vaccine are reported on every day (e.g. we hear about someone dying from vaccine-caused myocarditis).

You are basically playing a "what if" game. Let me try. What if it turns out that all that broccoli I am choking down causes cancer? Or what if my neighbour is plotting to kill me? Or what if smoking is actually good for you.

Well obviously you should take your Ak-47 and eliminate the threat when it comes to your neighbor

Oh wait, you can't even do that. I see that you spelled "neighbour" with a "u". I guess you are out of luck.

 

[whatbogsends]

Sure. But what happens between becoming ill and recovering? About 10% of symptomatic patients need hospitalization. 1/3 to 1/2 of those need ICU care. You must know the burden this puts on our health care system. I live in a major metropolitan area with easy access to hospitals. But during the peak of the pandemic last year, ICUs were filled to capacity with Covid patients on ventilators. Other patients needing intensive care—not just for Covid, but for serious injuries and other medical problems—had to be sent out of state for care. Not to mention the economic aspects of time lost from work, reduced productivity, and health insurance costs. (Health insurers have generally resisted raising rates so far. But that won’t last. I’ve read that premiums could increase by 10-20% later this year.) Last year, our GDP dropped 3.5%—the largest contraction since WW2. All due to Covid.

COVID-19 savages U.S. economy, 2020 performance worst in 74 years

It’s true that Covid is not Ebola in terms of mortality. But it still carries a huge societal cost. Isn’t prevention a much better option?

Of course, the COVID fatality rate for those under age 50 for men or 60 for women isn't 2%, it's < .2%

COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Sex and Age | American Council on Science and Health (acsh.org)

It doesn't reach 2% for men until age 70+ or women age 75+.

 

[HARK!]

Thats right, I didnt watch the anecdotes.

Here are some stats, that are actually being reported.

Reactions and Adverse Events of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

By my estimation one is more likely to have an adverse reaction from the vaccine, than one is to die from the virus. It's my understanding that the risks of taking the vaccine, vs not taking it, are amplified in those who are young and healthy.

I find it interesting that these "anecdotes" weren't reflected in the official stats.

 

[whatbogsends]

Do you actually understand what that number means?

If we take your value at face value, 98% of those infected recover, 2% don't.* "Not recovering" is also called "death".

If the chance of dying was 1 in 10000 of COVID, then perhaps I wouldn't be too worried. By your numbers it is 1 in 50.*

Do you really think that 2% of vaccinated people die of the vaccine? Or even 0.2%? Or even 0.02%?


* It is my understanding that the number is closer to 1% or 0.5% (1 in 100 or 1 in 200), but that's still pretty high. The uncertainty is due to the unknown number of people who have been infected. For reference 0.2% of Americans, overall, have died of COVID. That's 0.2% of the total population. If only 20% of the population has been infected the death rate is about 1% of all infected people. About 60% of all US adults have been vaccinated, there are perhaps a few deaths.

As i've pointed out, for most people under age 60, it's < 1 in 600. For 20-24 year olds, it's 1 in 12,500 for men and 1 in 20,000 for women. Fatality doesn't even reach 1% for age groups under 60.

COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Sex and Age | American Council on Science and Health (acsh.org)

 

[durangodawood]

Here are some stats, that are actually being reported.

Reactions and Adverse Events of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

By my estimation one is more likely to have an adverse reaction from the vaccine, than one is to die from the virus. It's my understanding that the risks of taking the vaccine, vs not taking it, are amplified in those who are young and healthy.

I find it interesting that these "anecdotes" weren't reflected in the official stats.

I had 2 of the listed adverse reactions: pain at the injection site and chills for an evening.

 

[HARK!]

I had 2 of the listed adverse reactions: pain at the injection site and chills for an evening.

I haven't taken the vaccine. I've suffered no adverse effects.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That varies quite a bit.

You don't say ...

Th problem is that the longer this hangs around the greater the odds of a new strain evolving that is not affected by the vaccine or the acquired immunity of those that have already had it once.

Which is odd for a natural virus. Don't they tend to weaken over time?

Then we would be back at the starting gate again with a deadly virus rampaging through the populace again.

Ok. So how is that "vaccinate the whole world" project going?

If not that....the "keep the entire world from US soil" project....how's that going?

A Christian should not be worried about himself. A Christian should be worried about others. By not getting a vaccine you and others like you are putting everybody at risk.

Well luckily I'm an atheist and I certainly don't take the moralizing of Christians any more seriously than I take it from you.

 

[durangodawood]

I haven't taken the vaccine. I've suffered no adverse effects.

Is suspect youve had adverse effects from the prevalence of the virus generally. Most people have.

 

[FireDragon76]

Excellent point. No sane person would needlessly take a risk on 2 % chance of death. The whole 98% argument is incredibly misleading. Yes 98% is a big number, but the consequences of being in the 2 % are, of course, dire.

The airplane analogy is superb - nobody with a lick of sense would get on a plane knowing there was a 1 in 50 chance they will die in a crash.

What also is being ignored is that a sizeable percentage of the people who get COVID continue to have symptoms months afterwards, including loss of sense of smell and trouble breathing.

 

[FireDragon76]

2% would make the plan crashes rather rare. Still a big deal, right? Then why are the "rare" deaths of people after getting the experimental and unapproved shot any less of a big deal?

2% of planes crashing would not be seen as rare... it would mean that most people would have family or friends in those plane crashes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

2% of planes crashing would not be seen as rare... it would mean that most people would have family or friends in those plane crashes.

It's a bad analogy....it was always a bad analogy....because people choose to get on planes.

 

[jayem]

Of course, the COVID fatality rate for those under age 50 for men or 60 for women isn't 2%, it's < .2%

COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Sex and Age | American Council on Science and Health (acsh.org)

It doesn't reach 2% for men until age 70+ or women age 75+.

Absolutely. But we need to keep in mind the B.1617.2 (Delta) strain, which is becoming dominant, seems to be more contagious. And the article mentions a UK study indicating that it’s 2.5 times more likely to infect persons under age 50. This could be a very serious problem for unvaccinated people.

5 Things To Know About the Delta Variant

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

It's a bad analogy....it was always a bad analogy....because people choose to get on planes.

So?

People who bring up the 98% survivability statistic do so because they think that means the risk is insignificant. When you're talking about it in relation to huge numbers, it isn't.