Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

[KCfromNC]

The disease has a 98% recovery rate.

Yes? And?

You do know that when comparing two things, you need to actually, well, compare two things? A single number isn't sufficient to compare two things. To do that, you need two.

 

[KCfromNC]

I never said that. But if accounts of personal injury are classified as unverified anecdotes then so are accounts of covid infections.

I have no idea what level of misunderstanding would lead to a post like this. Do you really believe that reported covid numbers come entirely from random self-reporting from infected individuals?

 

[Zoii]

No, just first-hand accounts of human suffering after trusting the vaccine pushers. Obviously nothing you'd be interested in.

I gather you don't favor vaccination

 

[expos4ever]

It’s likely everyone had blood clots.

On what basis do you make this statement?

 

[cow451]

Considering the fact that medications that do go through the normal amount of testing and get actual FDA approval for regular use (both of which do not apply to the Covid shots) often end up being recalled because they caused serious injury or death, it is reasonable to be even more cautious about taking a substance that has less than normal testing, was released in record time, and still isn't FDA approved--regardless of how much shaming one may receive from others.

A very small, minute number get recalled. A few more get black box warnings. Many get updated side effects listed. If you look at the inserts on any Rx medication, it lists nearly any conceivable body function that might be affected. A vaccine with no risk would called Placebo #3 or Saline.

I respectfully submit you are woefully uninformed.

 

[cow451]

For example, the chances of me dying from a skydiving accident if I never skydive fall to a number quite near zero.
Likewise, I can't die from a vaccine I don't take.

But one can die from a disease you do get. Getting a communicable disease during a pandemic is a considerable risk. One cannot simply choose NOT to get it. Otherwise millions of people would still be alive that died during the pandemic so far.

 

[jayem]

The disease has a 98% recovery rate.

Sure. But what happens between becoming ill and recovering? About 10% of symptomatic patients need hospitalization. 1/3 to 1/2 of those need ICU care. You must know the burden this puts on our health care system. I live in a major metropolitan area with easy access to hospitals. But during the peak of the pandemic last year, ICUs were filled to capacity with Covid patients on ventilators. Other patients needing intensive care—not just for Covid, but for serious injuries and other medical problems—had to be sent out of state for care. Not to mention the economic aspects of time lost from work, reduced productivity, and health insurance costs. (Health insurers have generally resisted raising rates so far. But that won’t last. I’ve read that premiums could increase by 10-20% later this year.) Last year, our GDP dropped 3.5%—the largest contraction since WW2. All due to Covid.

COVID-19 savages U.S. economy, 2020 performance worst in 74 years

It’s true that Covid is not Ebola in terms of mortality. But it still carries a huge societal cost. Isn’t prevention a much better option?

 

[cow451]

I think you didn’t understand it. Your answer demonstrated this.

I think you were using the quote far out of context. So we disagree.

 

[cow451]

people here in this thread seem utterly opposed to knowing the potential risks... addressing... knowing what the potential risks are.


Me? I've never contracted Covid nor have I come into contact with anyone who has throughout this entire epidemic... I'll personally wait to make my own decision on my health care after we have a better understanding of what those risks might be for me, with my doctor...

Please call out said posters. You can pm me if you think I am one of those if you’re disinclined to do so openly.

You are fortunate to have avoided being exposed. I work in healthcare and got it. Thanks, Obama.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The disease has a 98% recovery rate.

Do you actually understand what that number means?

If we take your value at face value, 98% of those infected recover, 2% don't.* "Not recovering" is also called "death".

If the chance of dying was 1 in 10000 of COVID, then perhaps I wouldn't be too worried. By your numbers it is 1 in 50.*

Do you really think that 2% of vaccinated people die of the vaccine? Or even 0.2%? Or even 0.02%?


* It is my understanding that the number is closer to 1% or 0.5% (1 in 100 or 1 in 200), but that's still pretty high. The uncertainty is due to the unknown number of people who have been infected. For reference 0.2% of Americans, overall, have died of COVID. That's 0.2% of the total population. If only 20% of the population has been infected the death rate is about 1% of all infected people. About 60% of all US adults have been vaccinated, there are perhaps a few deaths.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

The disease has a 98% recovery rate.

A 2% fatality rate is disastrous. If commercial airlines were 98% safe, there would be about three thousand six hundred plane crashes, every day.

 

[Ana the Ist]

But one can die from a disease you do get.

Sure.

a communicable disease during a pandemic is a considerable risk.

Well you can certainly mitigate the risk. But go on, tell me how likely the risk is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Anecdotes need statistical corroboration to be really useful.

Otherwise we can be mislead by all the millions of people who would have gotten sick/hurt in a similar non vax period of their life.

Not saying I know nothings happening. But lets keep our heads glued on, people.

It's true! It is all true! After my first shot I thought that I would never do the Chicken Dance again:

 

[Subduction Zone]

I gather you don't favor vaccination

You might need to change the picture in your sig. At least for a few years. Unfortunately that problem is not going away either.

 

[durangodawood]

It's true! It is all true! After my first shot I thought that I would never do the Chicken Dance again:

That would have been truly tragic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That would have been truly tragic.

Luckily I fully recovered. On my second shot I did not even get that. Now I am fully vaccinated and have naturally acquired immunity to boot. Now I have no fear when I pick up a piece of used chewing gum. Mmmm tasty!

 

[expos4ever]

A 2% fatality rate is disastrous. If commercial airlines were 98% safe, there would be about three thousand six hundred plane crashes, every day.

Excellent point. No sane person would needlessly take a risk on 2 % chance of death. The whole 98% argument is incredibly misleading. Yes 98% is a big number, but the consequences of being in the 2 % are, of course, dire.

The airplane analogy is superb - nobody with a lick of sense would get on a plane knowing there was a 1 in 50 chance they will die in a crash.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Excellent point. No sane person would needlessly take a risk on 2 % chance of death. The whole 98% argument is incredibly misleading. Yes 98% is a big number, but the consequences of being in the 2 % are, of course, dire.

The airplane analogy is superb - nobody with a lick of sense would get on a plane knowing there was a 1 in 50 chance they will die in a crash.

One note. even the 2% figure could be easily wrong by a factor of 2. Or even a bit more. That figure relies upon reported cases of Covid and the odds are that the number of actual cases are even higher. But even if the odds of crashing were one out of one thousand very few people would opt to travel by plane. And to make it worse, air travel is a choice. I don't know of anyone that decided to catch Covid.

 

[Aldebaran]

Excellent point. No sane person would needlessly take a risk on 2 % chance of death. The whole 98% argument is incredibly misleading. Yes 98% is a big number, but the consequences of being in the 2 % are, of course, dire.

2% would make the plan crashes rather rare. Still a big deal, right? Then why are the "rare" deaths of people after getting the experimental and unapproved shot any less of a big deal?

 

[expos4ever]

2% would make the plan crashes rather rare. Still a big deal, right? Then why are the "rare" deaths of people after getting the experimental and unapproved shot any less of a big deal?

Because they are much, much, much more rare than 2%.

You have to know this.

So what exactly are you up to?