Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

So only preachers need to refrain from sin? Everyone else is free to sin all they want? Is that what Paul is teaching here?

I was giving an example.....regarding both Preachers and not.
We are to be a light in this world, and this requires a pure life.
As i said.

Read more carefully.
Try something new.

 

[Sidon]

So you don’t see a problem with a complete absence of your theology for 1500 years?

Once again.
Paul's epistles, were with the original 12.
This is before "polycarp" and Origen.

John teaches Paul's theology.
Because He learned it from Paul.
All the apostles did.

 

[Sidon]

What about,

“But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-5‬ ‭

Paul says...>"Use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".

So, how do you do that if you are born again? Well, some would go and download porn.
Others would check out Netflix and watch a "R" rated movie.
See that being done? That is an "occasion to the flesh".....its a choice to enjoy some carnality that Paul defines as "works of the Flesh".

He also says this..>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

So, there is such a thing as Salvation, which is God making you Righteous, with the Blood of Jesus.
Then there is how you behave later, after being made Righteous.
Not all the born again behave., and Paul was talking to the church he founded about this.....>He was being a spiritual father (Pastor) to his spiritual children.

Every Sunday people leave their denomination.
From mon to sat, they DECIDE how they will live.
God does not decide this for them..........they choose it for themselves.
Will they live each moment during that week for GOD, or will they live some of it for God. ??????
And when they are not living it for God, they are in the flesh, enjoying it.

They are these....= "do not use your liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".............
They are in fact having a lot of "occasions to the flesh".
That's your typical carnal believer.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes.
That faith is THE "renewed mind"........its not the first faith, that God accepted to save a person.

This verse is also connected to "dead faith" that James speaks about, which is a believer who is backslidden.

Paul teaches this term "castaway", and that is a Demas, who is born again, yet left discipleship behind because he wanted the world.

No it’s simply the same faith in Christ mentioned throughout the scriptures over and over again. Your only saying this because you refuse to admit when you’ve been proven wrong.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Once again.
Paul's epistles, were with the original 12.
This is before "polycarp" and Origen.

John teaches Paul's theology.
Because He learned it from Paul.
All the apostles did.

John learned from Jesus Himself and both he and Paul received their teachings from the Holy Spirit. Paul didn’t need to teach John anything. And your still teaching that as soon as the apostles died Christ’s church died with them. I don’t get where you think that Paul taught the 12 when the 12 were already preaching the gospel while Paul was chasing them down trying to kill them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I was giving an example.....regarding both Preachers and not.
We are to be a light in this world, and this requires a pure life.
As i said.

Read more carefully.
Try something new.

Ok so now your finally admitting that Paul taught that every believer must refrain from sin?

 

[Servus]

Paul says...>"Use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".

So, how do you do that if you are born again? Well, some would go and download porn.
Others would check out Netflix and watch a "R" rated movie.
See that being done? That is an "occasion to the flesh".....its a choice to enjoy some carnality that Paul defines as "works of the Flesh".

He also says this..>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

So, there is such a thing as Salvation, which is God making you Righteous, with the Blood of Jesus.
Then there is how you behave later, after being made Righteous.
Not all the born again behave., and Paul was talking to the church he founded about this.....>He was being a spiritual father (Pastor) to his spiritual children.

Every Sunday people leave their denomination.
From mon to sat, they DECIDE how they will live.
God does not decide this for them..........they choose it for themselves.
Will they live each moment during that week for GOD, or will they live some of it for God. ??????
And when they are not living it for God, they are in the flesh, enjoying it.

They are these....= "do not use your liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".............
They are in fact having a lot of "occasions to the flesh".
That's your typical carnal believer.

It's the "For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” part that is in question. Many use that as a proof text that you can lose your salvation.

“But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-5‬ ‭

 

[setst777]

No it’s simply the same faith in Christ mentioned throughout the scriptures over and over again. Your only saying this because you refuse to admit when you’ve been proven wrong.

Keep up the Good Work Brother.

Titus 2:11-14 (WEB) 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we would live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present age; 13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.

A true believer in Lord Jesus knows that a Christian is a disciple of Jesus - following Him. Only this faith God accepts to be saved.

John 8:12 (WEB) 12 “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”

2 Timothy 2:19-21 (WEB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription:
“The Lord knows those who are his,” and,
“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord turns away from wickedness

 

[Sidon]

Your only saying this because you refuse to admit when you’ve been proven wrong.

You are confused.
Im not trying to prove im right.
That is your game., as you need to be evaluated like that, but, i dont.
Im only here to teach Pauline Theology, and thats what im doing.
It disagrees with you, so, that is what you perceiving.

 

[Sidon]

John learned from Jesus Himself and both he and Paul received their teachings from the Holy Spirit.

Well, let me explain it.
YOu are a person, self defined, who esteems the greek texts and the church father's, as superior to Paul and the New Testament.
So, as you are not a student of Paul, you do not understand the reason that Jesus called this man to be an apostle when He already had 11 of them.
I do understand this, as that is why i teach Paul.

 

[Sidon]

It's the "For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.” ‭

Well, there are a lot of misguided "christians".

Look at the verse...i'll paraphrase......>"there are no sinners going to Heaven".

So, how is that possible, when its only a SINNER Who God's Saves.

Here is the thing.

Verses are parables.
Verses are symbolic
Verses are literal
Verses are analogy
Verses are prophetic

And this is why God says to "study to show yourself approved"
The "approval" is..... to have learned how to "rightly divide" the verses, so that you dont mis-apply them.
All theology that is cult or heresy, is just the misapplication of a verse.
That's what causes all heresy, and most "new" denominations to pop up.

 

[Servus]

Well, there are a lot of misguided "christians".

Look at the verse...i'll paraphrase......>"there are no sinners going to Heaven".

So, how is that possible, when its only a SINNER Who God's Saves.

Here is the thing.

Verses are parables.
Verses are symbolic
Verses are literal
Verses are analogy
Verses are prophetic

And this is why God says to "study to show yourself approved"
The "approval" is..... to have learned how to "rightly divide" the verses, so that you dont mis-apply them.
All theology that is cult or heresy, is just the misapplication of a verse.
That's what causes all heresy, and most "new" denominations to pop up.

But wasn't Paul telling born again Christians that if they are immoral or impure or covetous, an idolater, they will have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God?

 

[Sidon]

But wasn't Paul telling born again Christians that if they are immoral or impure or covetous, an idolater, they will have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God?

Paul, at one time, helped murder Christians.
That is why he defined himself, not as committing sin, but as being the "chief of sinners".
How much worse can you be then to be a murder of Christians?
That a CHIEF of sinners.

So, He ONCE found in that group in your verse. A Christ rejecting, Christ hating, person who was helping to round up believers to be burned and stoned.

That group, is not born again, as all the born again are "made righteous".
The born again are already IN the KOG, and it is in them.
They are not waiting to inherit it, as they are already become a part of it.

"seated in heavenly places , in Christ".

"as Jesus is, so are the born again in this world".

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are confused.
Im not trying to prove im right.
That is your game., as you need to be evaluated like that, but, i dont.
Im only here to teach Pauline Theology, and thats what im doing.
It disagrees with you, so, that is what you perceiving.

Nope because every time I’ve included scriptures written by Paul himself to support my theology. You the one inventing something sort of pseudo-faith that is somehow different than the original faith we received when we first came to Christ in order to patch up your errors in claiming that Hebrews 6:1 is saying that we should move away from repentance of dead works and faith in God. So when I quoted Colossians 1:23 where Paul says we must remain in the faith in order to stand before God holy and blameless you had to quickly invent this bogus faith that is somehow different than the same faith that is mentioned over and over again in the scriptures as if this particular passage were referring to a different kind of faith. So no I’m not confused at all, I’m not the one saying that this passage when it says faith is different from this other passage that also says faith when there’s clearly no distinction being made between these two references.

 

[Sidon]

Nope because every time I’ve included scriptures written by Paul himself to support my theology. You the one inventing something sort of pseudo-faith

What you just said is a deceit.
Here is what happened.
You gave up on trying to have a conversation a while back, and now you just keep writing that you proved something.
Well, you didnt.
You only proved that your theology isn't theologically in line with the NT, regarding "Soteriology", as defined by Paul as "justification by faith alone, without works".

You just posted to me, a few mins ago.... that "confession" is not a part of Faith.
So, i quoted Romans 10 for you, and you became SILENT.
Now you've decided pop back up, be dishonest again, and post that im teaching "psudo-faith".

The best think you can do, is run along.
And while you are there....notice that the "church fathers, and polycarp" didn't write any of the New Testament.
While, Paul wrote most of it.
I teach what he teaches.
This is called "Pauline Theology".

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, let me explain it.
YOu are a person, self defined, who esteems the greek texts and the church father's, as superior to Paul and the New Testament.
So, as you are not a student of Paul, you do not understand the reason that Jesus called this man to be an apostle when He already had 11 of them.
I do understand this, as that is why i teach Paul.

First of all there were 12 apostles not 11. And an argument could be made for 15 if you include Barnabas, Silas, and Apollos since they are also referred to as apostles in the scriptures.

And no I don’t esteem the Greek or early church writings over Paul’s writings, I simply use them to get a better understanding of how Paul intended the message to be interpreted. That’s why I don’t struggle having to redefine the word faith when it’s mentioned in one passage as being different than when it’s mentioned in another passage like you do. My theology is consistent, it doesn’t waiver when compared to other passages like your does.

 

[Sidon]

First of all there were 12 apostles not 11..

Judas was one of the 12, but Jesus later defined Him as "a devil".

Now, see it?

So, Paul was called after Jesus ascended.
Jesus called Him personally, for a reason.

See the NT?
That's the reason.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What you just said is a deceit.
Here is what happened.
You gave up on trying to have a conversation a while back, and now you just keep writing that you proved something.
Well, you didnt.
You only proved that your theology isn't theologically in line with the NT, regarding "Soteriology", as defined by Paul as "justification by faith alone, without works".

I’m sorry but did you or did you not just define the word faith in Hebrews 6:1 as being different than the word faith in Colossians 1:23?

Yes.
That faith is THE "renewed mind"........its not the first faith, that God accepted to save a person.

This verse is also connected to "dead faith" that James speaks about, which is a believer who is backslidden.

 

[Sidon]

I’m sorry but did you or did you not just define the word faith in Hebrews 6:1 as being different than the word faith in Colossians 1:23?

Im always clear about this answer..
I always define the Gospel as Paul's.
He teaches it as "my Gospel".
This is the "preaching of the Cross".
Its the teaching that Christ who is God.... came as virgin born, shed his blood, was crucified, died, and rose again for the sin of the world ... John 3:16.... and as God's only Way to heaven.
John 14:6

 

[setst777]

Im always clear about this answer..
I always define the Gospel as Paul's.
He teaches it as "my Gospel".
This is the "preaching of the Cross".
Its the teaching that Christ who is God.... came as virgin born, shed his blood, was crucified, died, and rose again for the sin of the world ... John 3:16.... and as God's only Way to heaven.
John 14:6

You cannot separate Lord Jesus from His Message and think you are saved.

That same Jesus who

"came as virgin born, shed his blood, was crucified, died, and rose again for the sin of the world"

is the same Jesus who said the following:

Luke 6:46 (WEB) 46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do the things which I say?

John 10:27-29 (WEB) 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give eternal life to them.

John 8:12 (WEB) 12 “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."

Luke 9:23-25 (WEB) 23 He said to all, “If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever will lose his life for my sake, will save it. 25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits his own self."

Matthew 28:19-20 (WEB) 19 Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey all things that I commanded you.

John 15:10 (WEB) 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

Matthew 10:37-38 (WEB) 37 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me. 38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.