Vaccination injury testimony from many individuals

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[expos4ever]

In what is probably the funniest post I have ever read here, ThatRobGuy posted some reports that were submitted to VAERS (ThatRobGuy, if I am misrepresenting you, please set me straight). Here they are for your amusement. If nothing else, they raise a flag as to value of this database for assessing vaccine-caused injury:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

 

[cow451]

Senator Johnson starts by saying he has had flu shots, and the COVID vaccinations have saved many lives and reduced the spread. And he says most people have not have big problems with their COVID vaccinations.

But, he says, this is not proof that the vaccine is 100% safe. And it appears there are medial problems which have been clustering after vaccinations.

He says he has people who claimed they had trouble after the vaccine; but when they reported this, they were treated badly, they say, not taken seriously.

So, I see, the concern he expresses is about how people are being treated when they report problems.

I think that even if I was certain a person was making things up, still I need to treat the person right. I see that this could be the main point of the video . . . not only about if vaccines are safe, but if people claiming problems have been treated fairly.

@Hans Blaster > I agree with your idea that each case needs to be evaluated scientifically. But > if people report suspected vaccination reaction trouble to unfair people, you can't expect their cases to be handled in a scientific way and according to proper statistical procedure.

Soooooo....... the OP seems to have made conclusions not supported by the video. NOBODY has said any vaccine is 100% safe and effective. NOBODY.

 

[cow451]

Only if they want to take that risk.



As long as "experts" deny that this vaccine can cause these injuries and deaths, and try chalking up these injuries and deaths to mere coincidence that just happens to occur after a covid shot, don't expect any real scientific answers--only the narrative of choice at the moment.

Zero (the number that represents none) experts have said that the vaccines, or ant vaccines, are 100% safe and effective. ZERO. None. Zip.

 

[cow451]

My approach is to take these injuries seriously and have them actually investigated rather than brushed aside by doctors who would rather send a person to a mental hospital rather than consider the fact that the vaccine had something to do with their injury.
It used to be the democrats that talked so much about "believing the victim". But now it seems to be only big government and big pharma that should be believed.

 

[whatbogsends]

That's just garbage. Demanding real scientific evidence, and not mere anecdotes, is not "silencing" anyone.

Do you even understand anything about statistics? Side effects from the vaccines are extremely rare (there has been only one death due to blood clots in the entire US that can be linked positively to vaccination with an mRNA vaccine, and that was in an elderly man in the northeast), much rarer than the real effects of COVID itself.

That's because the deaths that are reported are all declared "not linked", despite obvious indications that they are linked.

South Florida Doctor Who Passed Away After Receiving Covid Vaccine Died of Natural Causes: Medical Examiner – NBC 6 South Florida (nbcmiami.com)

Fully healthy, pro vaccine, 56 year old doctor gets vaccinated. 3 days after his 2nd shot develops thrombocytopenia, and then dies within 2 weeks. The medical report at the time of death: "Given the history, autopsy, toxicology, and laboratory findings, the cause of death is complications of immune thrombocytopenia following receipt of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine," the report said. "Based on the circumstances as currently known, the manner of death is natural."

I already linked a study from the New England Journal of Medicine regarding Covid vaccine induced thrombocytopenia (i'll link it again so you don't have to search). Despite all this, his death was not "linked to the vaccine" in the official statistics. This is not an isolated case. It's an anecdote which shows that the data being presented isn't accurate.

SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine–Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia | NEJM

 

[expos4ever]

But lets keep our heads glued on, people.

I politely suggest that ship has sailed.

 

[whatbogsends]

You do realize that statistically, the vaccine is safer than many drugs like asprin that you can buy at a pharmacy?

Otherwise, I agree that there is alot of hype around mRNA vaccines, and that they are difficult to manufacture and store (which is especially pertinent given the need right now that exists in Africa and India). But that doesn't discount their relative safety.

Do you realize that statistically, the data has been manipulated.

I know people dismiss VAERS entirely, but there have been more reported deaths from COVID vaccines then all other reported vaccine deaths since VAERS began in 1990. 6 months > 30 years.

There are currently 2 acknowledged serious side effects (blood clotting and thrombosis), with thrombocytopenia likely to be the third.

There have been numerous healthy people that developed symptoms immediately (within first 48 hours) of taking the vaccine and have later died, but inevitably, regardless of the on site doctor indicating the vaccine likely contributed to the death, doesn't get counted as a vaccine death. Whereas, in certain places, getting killed in a car accident can get you labeled as a COVID death if you had tested positive for COVID within the previous 60 days.

According to NBC affiliate KGW in Oregon, if you die in a car crash in that state and previously tested positive for COVID-19 that's automatically considered a COVID-19 death.

Health officials explain: What determines a COVID-19 death (ksby.com)

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

Deaths in which COVID-19 is listed as a primary or contributing cause of death on a death certificate.

We count COVID-19 deaths this way because the virus can often have effects on an individual’s health that may complicate their recovery from other diseases and conditions, even injuries, and indirectly contribute to their death. Another reason is because OHA is using this data to track the spread of the disease, and to create actionable steps for stopping its spread.

Dying with COVID and dying from COVID are same thing in Oregon | kgw.com

You're using statistics to compare the risks, but the way the data is collected and assessed isn't accurately assessing those risks.

 

[whatbogsends]

My approach is to take these injuries seriously and have them actually investigated rather than brushed aside by doctors who would rather send a person to a mental hospital rather than consider the fact that the vaccine had something to do with their injury.
It used to be the democrats that talked so much about "believing the victim". But now it seems to be only big government and big pharma that should be believed.

Why can't we go back to believing that opioids are safe? They were thoroughly tested, and the FDA and pharmaceutical companies assured us they were safe.

 

[expos4ever]

That's because the deaths that are reported are all declared "not linked", despite obvious indications that they are linked.

South Florida Doctor Who Passed Away After Receiving Covid Vaccine Died of Natural Causes: Medical Examiner – NBC 6 South Florida (nbcmiami.com)

Fully healthy, pro vaccine, 56 year old doctor gets vaccinated. 3 days after his 2nd shot develops thrombocytopenia, and then dies within 2 weeks. The medical report at the time of death: "Given the history, autopsy, toxicology, and laboratory findings, the cause of death is complications of immune thrombocytopenia following receipt of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine," the report said. "Based on the circumstances as currently known, the manner of death is natural."

Yes, so what?

Where is the evidence that this death was linked?

I have seen no evidence of any widespread failure to properly attribute adverse health outcome to vaccines. Obviously, there are going to be some cases where, either intentionally or by mistake, a death that is factually caused by the vaccine will be declared as having no such connection.

But I see no evidence that this occurs with a frequency that suggest deliberate attempts to mislead.

 

[expos4ever]

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

We have been through this before. When I have more time, I will try to address this issue of counting deaths in full detail.

 

[whatbogsends]

Yes, so what?

Where is the evidence that this death was linked?

I have seen no evidence of any widespread failure to properly attribute adverse health outcome to vaccines. Obviously, there are going to be some cases where, either intentionally or by mistake, a death that is factually caused by the vaccine will be declared as having no such connection.

But I see no evidence that this occurs with a frequency that suggest deliberate attempts to mislead.

The deaths of elderly vaccinated in Norway back in January were brought up by those concerned with the vaccine hesitant. The initial rebuttal, which held it's position for many months, was that they were not linked. People on this forum would respond with "old people die all the time". They're now indicating that some of those deaths were likely linked to the vaccine, but still won't actually include them as vaccine deaths.

Although the mortality rate in nursing homes is generally very high and the deaths of some nursing home residents after vaccination was anticipated, the Norwegian Medicines Agency wanted to determine whether the vaccine had possibly hastened any deaths and to gain a clearer understanding of the risks and benefits of its use in frail elderly people.

The review reported on 19 May and concluded that a causal link between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and death was considered “likely” in 10 of the 100 cases, “possible” in 26 cases, and “unlikely” in 59 cases. The remaining five were deemed “unclassifiable.”1

Covid-19: Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is “likely” responsible for deaths of some elderly patients, Norwegian review finds | The BMJ

Compare this methodology to "anyone who dies within 60 days of a positive test is counted as a COVID death" and you can see the obvious disparity.

No one is saying that "anyone who dies within 60 days of a vaccine should be counted as a vaccine death", but those determined by thorough investigation as "likely" should. Especially when considering getting killed in a car accident can get one classified as a COVID death.

Using statistics from flawed methodology to make an assessment yields a flawed assessment. There's a term for this: GIGO (Garbage in, Garbage out)

 

[jayem]

Oh, how thoughtful! You care more about people who aren't sick than those who are. How does your type of thinking help those who follow your advice and end up seriously injured or dead as a result?

No one doubts that vaccines, like all medical interventions, have risks. Which may be life threatening. This is tragic, and very unfortunate. But the far more important metric from the public health standpoint is the the risk/benefit ratio. All published evidence so far indicates that the benefit of being protected from severe Covid-19 by vaccination vastly outweighs the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction.

Reports of personal experiences are appeals to the emotions. I won’t say they shouldn’t be heard. But balance that with published data from legitimate peer-reviewed medical journals. The link is a recent article on the safety of the mRNA vaccines. It’s long, and somewhat technical. But it’s important information. Just read the conclusions on the last page:

https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s13037-021-00291-9.pdf

 

[Bobber]

Using statistics from flawed methodology to make an assessment yields a flawed assessment. There's a term for this: GIGO (Garbage in, Garbage out)

I don't have a different term, but it does seem like stacking the deck in one's favor. Heads I win tails you lose! No matter what evidence one has to show something different it's marginalized and set aside. One thing I've learned watching this whole process play out is just how easy information that deserves I believe a fair hearing it seems is just presumptuously thrown away and won't even be considered. That's what scares me more than covid itself....where exactly are we going as a culture.

 

[iluvatar5150]

In what is probably the funniest post I have ever read here, ThatRobGuy posted some reports that were submitted to VAERS (ThatRobGuy, if I am misrepresenting you, please set me straight). Here they are for your amusement. If nothing else, they raise a flag as to value of this database for assessing vaccine-caused injury:

"About 5 hrs after receiving vaccine muscle ache in shoulder. Penis reduced in size, length, and circumference is significant since following day and pain in penal area from day 3 and day 5 most noticeable. Shape of penis has changed (noticed on day 4 due to an erection) and the skin has become loose with the size reduction (like baggy pants.)"

"Explosive Diarhea and a touch of the AIDS"

"I feel like <***> dude!"

"666 Blood clots, heart attack, died 5 times survived, Blood is very thick blood thinners unable to thin"

Do you then dismiss the testimony of those who are suffering the consequences of following the CDC guidelines and getting the shot? This database provides a place where people who are suffering can have a voice. Do you honestly care about shrinking genitalia, explosive diarhea [sic] and the AIDS? Why are you so hateful of those who simply wish to speak about their experiences? Would you like them to just stay silent and suffer in silence?

 

[durangodawood]

Sounds like any of the sources that like to silence those who wish to speak about their personal experiences.

Please quote the part where I talked about silencing anyone.

 

[durangodawood]

Why can't we go back to believing that opioids are safe? They were thoroughly tested, and the FDA and pharmaceutical companies assured us they were safe.

Opioids are very useful. But I dont think the FDA approved of the way they were distributed.

 

[expos4ever]

The deaths of elderly vaccinated in Norway back in January were brought up by those concerned with the vaccine hesitant. The initial rebuttal, which held it's position for many months, was that they were not linked. People on this forum would respond with "old people die all the time". They're now indicating that some of those deaths were likely linked to the vaccine, but still won't actually include them as vaccine deaths.

Although the mortality rate in nursing homes is generally very high and the deaths of some nursing home residents after vaccination was anticipated, the Norwegian Medicines Agency wanted to determine whether the vaccine had possibly hastened any deaths and to gain a clearer understanding of the risks and benefits of its use in frail elderly people.

The review reported on 19 May and concluded that a causal link between the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and death was considered “likely” in 10 of the 100 cases, “possible” in 26 cases, and “unlikely” in 59 cases. The remaining five were deemed “unclassifiable.”1^

Why this is misleading has already been addressed by me if not others:

The vaccinations with Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine started on December 27. By mid-February almost 30 000 residents at nursing homes had been vaccinated. During this same period, the Norwegian Medicines Agency received 100 reports about possible fatal side effects.

“Of these 100 reported cases, we believe it is highly likely that the vaccination led to death occurring earlier than it would have otherwise for ten nursing home patients”, Torgeir Bruun Wyller says to NRK.

You omit other relevant details.

As the official report shows, only 10 deaths out of 30,000 people vaccinated - that is 1 in 3000 - are suspcious.

I wonder how many of these elderly 30,000 patients would have died from covid if not vaccinated?

A lot more than 10.

Think, people, think.

 

[wing2000]

Senator Ron Johnson held a press conference on the injuries sustained by many people after they got the Covid shots. I am posting this for anyone who is interested in hearing the accounts of those injuries from the very people who have experienced them. It is not easy to listen to, but very informative.
This video is over an hour long, but if you want to skip directly to the testimonies from the people, it starts at exactly 13:00 minutes.
I don't expect Youtube will allow this video to remain on their site for very long, so either watch it right away, or save it to watch later.

...and yet you decided to get vaccinated (or at least that's what you posted here a few weeks back).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thats right, I didnt watch the anecdotes.

In terms of evaluating risk, thats exactly what they are.

If you want to just talk about how awful it is to get sick, then dont hint at a meaningful correlation - which I suspect was your intent for the topic all along.

while correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation it's important to investigate if there is causation. Ignoring correlation is, therefore, ignorant.

Case in point... at one point smokers were dying and contracting diseases in the 10s of thousands, at far greater rates than the non-smoking portions of the population.

Should we have said "correlation doesn't mean causation" and ignored correlation as meaningless (Phillip Morris certainly wanted you to!) Or are you happy that we began examining if there was any causation?

With something such as a vaccine that is fast becoming mandatory - ignoring correlation is to our peril if it does indeed equal causation in many cases.