How to spot the Devil

[Sidon]

Which is not a sin according to Jesus, so you are sounding like one of the Pharisee's.

Work on the Shabbat, under the law, in the Old Testament, is a problem.
But not for God.
He is the Lord of the Shabbat.
He told you that the Shabbat was made for you, and not you for it.

You teach that you were made for it.
Bad idea.

 

[Sidon]

Hey you can call Jesus a liar

Ive never called Jesus a liar. But i'll call you one, for telling that lie.

Listen up .
Jesus kept the law so that the born again are become a "new creation", as if they kept it.
This is the Gift of Salvation.

Jesus had to keep the law and commandments, he had to fulful them, so that the born again can exist outside the "curse of the law"..

God does not accept commandment keeping to accept a person.
So, your gospel of legalism is false.
God only accepts His own BLOOD He shed as Christ on the Cross to accept them.
Believe it.

You need to learn this, asap.

 

[Ligurian]

God on the Cross is why you go to heaven., or not.
Trust in Christ, as there is no other way to God.
John 14:6

If you trust Jesus, you do what Jesus tells you to do.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ive never called Jesus a liar. But i'll call you one, for telling that lie.

Ok did you not say that Jesus didn’t keep the Sabbath?

He was accused of not keeping the sabbath because He didn't keep it.
And He purposely healed in front of these religious sabbath keeping fakirs, to show them..

"I am the LORD of the Sabbath".

See, the law is lower than God.
God is the FINAL Authority, not the Law or Commandments.

This is the commandment of God referring to the Sabbath.

““Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Here’s Jesus saying that He kept The Father’s commandments.

“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now if you say that Jesus didn’t keep the Sabbath your saying that He didn’t keep The Father’s commandments and therefore calling Him a liar.

 

[Sidon]

If you trust Jesus, you do what Jesus tells you to do.

You can do what Jesus said to do, (10 commandments) (OT Law), and die and go to hell.

Why?

Because salvation is not your doing something...........Salvation is God on the Cross having finished something for you, 2000 yrs ago.
Jesus said on the Cross..>"it is Finished", and DIED.
The "IT"< is your Salvation.

To get it, you repent of unbelief, and give God your faith in Christ.
The proof you did, is ......you become born again.
Water can cause that.
Works cant cause that.
= God does that.

Now, after that happens, you are become a disciple.
Absolutely.
And Christ's born again disciples, are to "present our bodies a living sacrifice".
That means the born again are to walk the walk, and do the deeds........not to stay saved, but because they are born again.....

And what saved us?

Jesus said..>"IT, is finished".
See that "IT"?....That is Salvation.
If you have that, you go to Heaven.
If you dont, and die, you go to hell.

Jesus said..."you must be born again". as that proves you have What Jesus said is FINISHED, 2000 yrs ago.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If you are going to say that Jesus kept all 613, you will need proof... because some of those commandments were said by the Father to be tests... and some of those commandments are completly rewritten by Jesus Himself... and therefore, Jesus couldn't have kept those ones even if He'd wanted to. ... But when Jesus says He kept His Father's commandments, He's pointing at John 12:48-50... which is a restatement of this:

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

I feel sorry for those people who don't listen to either warning.

Please quote me where I said Jesus had to keep 613 commandments. Maybe you can provide scripture where it says 613 commandments.

Jesus said He kept His Father's commandments, I believe Him, do you? John 15:10

Jesus quoted from God's Ten commandments Mathew 19:17-19 (not 613) that His Father and ours wrote with His own Finger Exodos 20 and told us it was an eternal covenant Psalms 89:34. Jesus told us it is important to keep these commandments. I believe Jesus and so should everyone. God bless.

 

[pescador]

Ok did you not say that Jesus didn’t keep the Sabbath?



This is the commandment of God referring to the Sabbath.

““Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Here’s Jesus saying that He kept The Father’s commandments.

“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now if you say that Jesus didn’t keep the Sabbath your saying that He didn’t keep The Father’s commandments and therefore calling Him a liar.

This is a legalist interpretation of the Sabbath requirements. Jesus clearly "broke the Sabbath" by healing people and permitting His disciples to eat standing grain -- just two examples.

Mark 2:23-28, " Jesus was going through the grain fields on a Sabbath, and his disciples began to pick some heads of wheat as they made their way. So the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is against the law on the Sabbath?” He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the sacred bread, which is against the law for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to his companions?” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:1-7, "At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on a Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick heads of wheat and eat them. But when the Pharisees saw this they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is against the law to do on the Sabbath.” He said to them, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God and ate the sacred bread, which was against the law for him or his companions to eat, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are not guilty? I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ive never called Jesus a liar.

Jesus said:
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus didn't keep it, and He's God.

Jesus very much kept the Sabbath day holy and so should we.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is a legalist interpretation of the Sabbath requirements. Jesus clearly "broke the Sabbath" by healing people and permitting His disciples to eat standing grain -- just two examples.

I disagree with both of these accounts because God never defined what exactly was meant by work. It was the Jews that began to define what was considered to be work.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is a legalist interpretation of the Sabbath requirements. Jesus clearly "broke the Sabbath" by healing people and permitting His disciples to eat standing grain -- just two examples.

Mark 2:23-28, " Jesus was going through the grain fields on a Sabbath, and his disciples began to pick some heads of wheat as they made their way. So the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is against the law on the Sabbath?” He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the sacred bread, which is against the law for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to his companions?” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:1-7, "At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on a Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick heads of wheat and eat them. But when the Pharisees saw this they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is against the law to do on the Sabbath.” He said to them, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God and ate the sacred bread, which was against the law for him or his companions to eat, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are not guilty? I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

He broke the Mosaic Law as defined by the Jews but He did not break The Father’s actual commandment.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is a legalist interpretation of the Sabbath requirements. Jesus clearly "broke the Sabbath" by healing people and permitting His disciples to eat standing grain -- just two examples.

Mark 2:23-28, " Jesus was going through the grain fields on a Sabbath, and his disciples began to pick some heads of wheat as they made their way. So the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is against the law on the Sabbath?” He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the sacred bread, which is against the law for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to his companions?” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:1-7, "At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on a Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick heads of wheat and eat them. But when the Pharisees saw this they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is against the law to do on the Sabbath.” He said to them, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry— how he entered the house of God and ate the sacred bread, which was against the law for him or his companions to eat, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are not guilty? I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

When God gave the commandment not to work on the Sabbath the Jews had to contemplate what that meant by “work”. So they began to define what they considered to be “work” and forbid people to do these things according to the Mosaic Law. The actual commandment of God in Exodus 20 does not define what God considered as work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

According to scripture this is how we should keep the Sabbath:
Isaiah 58:13
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

We should not work and keep the Sabbath day holy. Exodus 20:8-11

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Work on the Shabbat, under the law, in the Old Testament, is a problem.
But not for God.
He is the Lord of the Shabbat.
He told you that the Shabbat was made for you, and not you for it.

You teach that you were made for it.
Bad idea.

The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27. Man was created on the sixth day and the very next day was Gods Sabbath Genesis 2:2-3

 

[pescador]

I disagree with both of these accounts because God never defined what exactly was meant by work. It was the Jews that began to define what was considered to be work.

If you want to disagree with Jesus be my guest.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you want to disagree with Jesus be my guest.

Jesus never said that He didn’t keep the Sabbath. He did however say that He kept His Father’s commandments. John 15:10

 

[Bro.T]

Sisters and brothers how come these verses are hardly read in the church? They were also written by the apostle Paul, (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is a legalist interpretation of the Sabbath requirements. Jesus clearly "broke the Sabbath" by healing people and permitting His disciples to eat standing grain -- just two examples.

Just to clarify I don’t preach the necessity of keeping the Sabbath. I don’t keep the Saturday Sabbath myself. My point is that if Jesus says that He kept His Father’s commandments then He kept the Sabbath.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sisters and brothers how come these verses are hardly read in the church? They were also written by the apostle Paul, (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Not sure what translation your using but Exodus 20 does not say the seventh day of the week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Just to clarify I don’t preach the necessity of keeping the Sabbath. I don’t keep the Saturday Sabbath myself. My point is that if Jesus says that He kept His Father’s commandments then He kept the Sabbath.

Agree. The fact that Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath and Jesus never sinned, that in itself means Jesus kept the Sabbath. I think we all should because this is our Saviors chosen day. Exodus 20:8-11 He said its a sign between Him and His people Ezekiel 20:20

God bless!

 

[pescador]

Just to clarify I don’t preach the necessity of keeping the Sabbath. I don’t keep the Saturday Sabbath myself. My point is that if Jesus says that He kept His Father’s commandments then He kept the Sabbath.

However, Jesus clearly said "If you had known what this means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” Matthew 12:7-8

Jesus is clearly saying that keeping the Sabbath is not a legal requirement. He controls the Sabbath observance; He is not bound by any commandment to do so.