How to spot the Devil

[Sidon]

I have already lost track of how many times and in how many different ways you've called lies the direct quotes of Jesus.

Im not responsible for your lack of understanding.
Ok?
You are the person who defined yourself and your belief system as contrary to Paul.

So, the readers here, that are not lost, and are not legalists.....understand that Paul wrote most of the NT, and you sit there telling them that you have no use for Paul.

We see you, clearly.

And if you now want to run in here and try to walk all that back, then you just make it worse for yourself.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thousands of commandment keepers went to hell today and tomorrow.
Why?

Because to Go to HEAVEN = Jesus said.......>"you must be born again"

Why?
Because the law and commandments can't make you or give you RIGHTEOUS, because they can't forgive your SIN.
And without that, = going to hell.

You have that all mixed up and again without any scripture references. Jesus has some strong words for teachers who do not teach correctly. Mathew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

God's law is holy and righteous Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

We are all sinners and need a Savior Romans 3:23

Yes, you must be born again we must repent and be baptized Acts 2:38 and walk a new path of righteousness with the help of our Savior who provides us the Holy Spirit for those who love Jesus and keep the commandments Mathew 14:15-18, Act 5:32

To be born again means we are walking with God. When we have His Spirit we are going to want to obey His commandments because we love Him. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3. Exodus 20:6

Jesus said: He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

and And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Mathew 7:23

We are not saved by the law. It is a fruit of our faith. Those who say they have faith in Jesus but do not obey are those who do not know Jesus.
Faith without works is dead James 2:20

We all have to pass through God's righteous judgement 2 Corthinians 5:10 before we can receive God's gift of grace, which is through our faith.

God's saints according to Jesus keeps the commandments of God and has the faith in Jesus.
Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Whatever church is telling you we no longer have to obey God's commandments, I would suggest finding another church because its leading you down the wrong path according to scriptures.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

In contrast to those outside God's Kingdom

Revelations 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

God's Commandments are based on love, how to love God and how to love each other. This is good advice:

Ecclesiastics 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.

God bless!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you.
That is what i told you in at least 4 posts.

The shabbat is made for man.
Man is not made for it.

I care about what Jesus told me and I never said anything different than this.

I think it's important to give Glory to Jesus on His Word, it doesn't matter what we say, the Glory needs to be on our Savior, not us.

 

[Sidon]

I do not need to think on that because the bible tells us to follow Jesus. John 12:26 Jesus was our perfect example for us.

Jesus is your Savior.
Paul is your "example" regarding how to follow Jesus, as the renewed mind.

Paul tells you to "be a follower of Me, as I follow Christ".

This is not a suggestion.

This is why He wrote all the Church Doctrine, and most of the NT.

To "follow" Christ as a perfect Disciple, you go to PAUL and find out how.
That is what im TEACHING.

If you dont, you'll be trying to keep yourself saved, and have no idea what it means to be born again.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus is your Savior.
Paul is your "example" regarding how to follow Jesus, as the renewed mind.

Paul tells you to "be a follower of Me, as I follow Christ".


This is not a suggestion.

This is why He wrote all the Church Doctrine, and most of the NT.

To "follow" Christ as a perfect Disciple, you go to PAUL and find out how.
That is what im TEACHING.

If you dont, you'll be trying to keep yourself saved, and have no idea what it means to be born again.

Paul is a man and cannot save us, only Jesus saves. I am a follower of Christ,
Jesus said:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6

I do like the advice Paul gives:

but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 1 Corinthians 7:19

The bible is a big book, it does not begin or end with Paul's letters. I recommend reading and believing all of God's Word.

 

[Sidon]

You very strategically avoided the rest of that explanation. Especially the part about where Jesus specifically said that He kept The Father’s commandments.

He kept them because this is God, fulfilling all the requirements that you failed.

He then gives this to you, as the "gift of Righteousness".

This is to be "redeemed", as "justification by faith".

 

[Sidon]

Jesus can’t have broken the Sabbath and kept The Father’s commandments at the same time.

Jesus is God.
So, that is why He is the "Lord of the Sabbath".
Jesus walked on water.
Jesus literally FLEW back to Heaven.

So, you have to learn to see The Christ as more than just a human being, when He was on the Earth.

 

[Sidon]

You have that all mixed up and again without any scripture references. Jesus has some strong words for teachers who do not teach correctly. Mathew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Twisting verses to teach that commandment keeping defines the Cross, is to reject the Cross, and teach Heresy that is this..... Galatians 1:8

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus is God.
So, that is why He is the "Lord of the Sabbath".
Jesus walked on water.
Jesus literally FLEW back to Heaven.

So, you have to learn to see The Christ as more than just a human being, when He was on the Earth.

All of this is irrelevant to the conversation. If He didn’t keep the Sabbath then He didn’t keep The Father’s commandments. Your saying that He didn’t have to keep the Sabbath because He is Lord over the Sabbath which means that He didn’t have to keep The Father’s commandment. He did keep the Sabbath commandment. He did not break the commandment that was given by The Father in Exodus 20.

 

[Sidon]

I think it's important to give Glory to Jesus on His Word, it doesn't matter what we say, the Glory needs to be on our Savior, not us.

Read my Threads, read my Posts.
Every one of them, ONLY Gives Credit to the Cross, To The Christ, and to the Blood Atonement.

You wont find me on a fool's errand talking about "commandment keeping" as "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Twisting verses to teach that commandment keeping defines the Cross, is to reject the Cross, and teach Heresy that is this..... Galatians 1:8

It was a direct quote from Jesus. I would listen.

 

[Sidon]

Paul is a man and cannot save us, only Jesus saves.

Paul does not claim to be the Savior.
I do not claim that Paul is anything but the apostle to the gentiles , who wrote all the church doctrine, and most of the NT.

Paul says to "follow ME, as i follow Christ".
That is not teaching that Paul is the savior.

 

[Sidon]

All of this is irrelevant to the conversation. If He didn’t keep the Sabbath then He didn’t keep The Father’s commandments.

What you are seeing is that your theology of commandment keeping is refuted by Christ.
its also refuted by the Cross of Christ and the "preaching of the Cross'.
So that means your theology is also a contradiction to Paul's Gospel.

 

[Sidon]

It was a direct quote from Jesus. I would listen.

If you want to follow the word of God, then you have to learn how to discern it.
This means that a person , first, has to be born again, and not just water baptized, being told the LIE that the water saved you and the water washed away your sin.

If that is not the problem, then the other one is......that a person is "fallen from Grace" which means they are existing in the "flesh", or the carnal mind, and when you do that, you will be found on a "christian" forum talking non-stop about commandment keeping and self effort, in place of Salvation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What you are seeing is that your theology of commandment keeping is refuted by Christ.
its also refuted by the Cross of Christ and the "preaching of the Cross'.
So that means your theology is also a contradiction to Paul's Gospel.

Where exactly does Jesus say that He didn’t keep the Sabbath? All of

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[BNR32FAN]

What you are seeing is that your theology of commandment keeping is refuted by Christ.
its also refuted by the Cross of Christ and the "preaching of the Cross'.
So that means your theology is also a contradiction to Paul's Gospel.

Where exactly does Jesus say that He didn’t keep the Sabbath? All of these are false statements and you don’t know the first thing about my theology. What commandments do you think my theology says we must keep?

 

[Sidon]

Where exactly does Jesus say that He didn’t keep the Sabbath? All of

Here is Christ talking to commandment keeping Legalist..
He's instructing them on the difference between shabbat keeping and the correct understanding of who is the "Lord of the Sabbath", and why that is all that matters.

""""What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it """"

 

[Sidon]

Where exactly does Jesus say that He didn’t keep the Sabbath? All of these are false statements and you don’t know the first thing about my theology. What commandments do you think my theology says we must keep?

Here is Christ talking to commandment keeping Legalist..
He's instructing them on the difference between shabbat keeping and the correct understanding of who is the "Lord of the Sabbath", and why that is all that matters.

""""What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it """"

And your issue, bnr32fan, is not the commandments.
Its your theology.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is Christ talking to commandment keeping Legalist..
He's instructing them on the difference between shabbat keeping and the correct understanding of who is the "Lord of the Sabbath", and why that is all that matters.

""""What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it """"

You think this is Christ saying that He didn’t keep the Sabbath? That’s not stated anywhere in the entire Bible. What He is saying here is that it is permissible to do good on the Sabbath which is not in violation of the commandment that God gave in Exodus 20. So He is neither telling anyone that it is ok to disregard the Sabbath nor is He saying that He Himself has disregarded the Sabbath. What He is saying is that when God commanded that no one is allowed to work on the Sabbath that did not include acts of kindness or generosity.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is Christ talking to commandment keeping Legalist..
He's instructing them on the difference between shabbat keeping and the correct understanding of who is the "Lord of the Sabbath", and why that is all that matters.

""""What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it """"

And your issue, bnr32fan, is not the commandments.
Its your theology.

No don’t avoid the question since you claim to know so much about my theology then put your money where your mouth is. What do commandments do I teach that we must keep?