More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[Aldebaran]

Good grief... the vaccines are approved.

Not according to the FDA. From page 12 of the link:

"The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic. In response, FDA has issued an EUA for the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization against COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older. FDA issued this EUA, based on Pfizer-BioNTech’s request and submitted data. Although limited scientific information is available, based on the totality of the scientific evidence available to date, it is reasonable to believe that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be effective for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals as specified in the Full EUA Prescribing Information. This EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will end when the Secretary of HHS determines that the circumstances justifying the EUA no longer exist or when there is a change in the approval status of the product such that an EUA is no longer needed."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

 

[Aldebaran]

I call shennanigans.

Shennanigans says, "Put me on your do not call list!"

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that epidemiologists will accept every adverse effect log without question. Weeding out the kind of reports you have posted would be part of the first screening process, before more detailed examination and analysis is carried out. They will apply statistical techniques to determine which adverse effects are overrepresented in vaccine recipients. I'm sure they will also look at reports from professional clinicians and hospital admissions too. Good researchers and analysts would never place too much importance on just one source such as VAERS. It's about looking at the bigger picture, and how everything fits together.

Well sure, but then what was the point of linking the VAERS-sourced graph then?

VAERS doesn't "weed out" those kinds of reports, so that would mean the graph you posted is irrelevant... and we should instead rely on data that's peer reviewed by experts, which states that vaccination risk is minimal in comparison to the risk of the disease itself.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well sure, but then what was the point of linking the VAERS-sourced graph then?

VAERS doesn't "weed out" those kinds of reports, so that would mean the graph you posted is irrelevant... and we should instead rely on data that's peer reviewed by experts, which states that vaccination risk is minimal in comparison to the risk of the disease itself.

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

 

[Bobber]

If that's their choice.
Because these current "vaccines" aren't even approved by the FDA yet, except for emergency use. Also, plenty of reports of injuries and deaths have been occurring right after the shots, even though people like to dismiss them.

But how does one overcome the rebuttal line they keep dishing out, "Well it probably wasn't caused by the vaccine!" or "There's no proof it was vaccine related!" It seems regardless of how many might meet their demise or become physically compromised they can still always roll out those lines with no hope of what could be the truth being known.

 

[Aldebaran]

But how does one overcome the rebuttal line they keep dishing out, "Well it probably wasn't caused by the vaccine!" or "There's no proof it was vaccine related!" It seems regardless of how many might meet their demise or become physically compromised they can still always roll out those lines with no hope of what could be the truth being known.

Right! Anytime evidence is shown, the canned answers come out: "That's anecdotal evidence", or "That wasn't peer-reviewed", or "I'll take the scientists over some random guy on the internet"--even if the source being quoted is a scientist.

 

[Bobber]

This is deeply misleading. How can you not possibly know that correlation does not equal causation?

I think most can accept that it doesn't necessarily mean causation. They probably won't accept though that a claim there wasn't causation is just used over and over and over to the point it's ridiculous. I think people are pretty good at knowing that they know certain things are true and just what passes the smell test and what doesn't.

 

[RDKirk]

I think most can accept that it doesn't necessarily mean causation. They probably won't accept though that a claim there wasn't causation is just used over and over and over to the point it's ridiculous. I think people are pretty good at knowing that they know certain things are true and just what passed the smell test and what doesn't.

I think that's what people were saying when they were calling covid-19 a hoax. Even in these forums, they were claiming all the deaths were from something other than covid-19.

Now those same people in these forums are saying all deaths of those vaccinated must be from the vaccine.

Except that the numbers are vastly different. Six hundred thousand American deaths--and still counting--are attributed to covid-19 while there are 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who got a vaccine.

 

[Bobber]

Out of a staff of 25,000. So, it's less than 1%. But still.

At least 153 employees of a Houston hospital — including nurses and other medical staff — were fired or resigned Tuesday after refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, one of the first mass terminations since vaccinations started in the U.S. this year, reinvigorating a national anti-vaccine movement.

Anti-vaccine movement. How words impact the mind...interesting.

Could it not be called a Pro-Choice movement? Wouldn't it really be what it is? Having a right to chose to or not to?

 

[Bobber]

Now those same people in these forums are saying all deaths of those vaccinated must be from the vaccine.

Are you sure you're not just engaging in hyperbole here? Surely you don't REALLY believe they think ALL deaths are caused by taking a vaccine.

 

[Aldebaran]

Except that the numbers are vastly different. Six hundred thousand American deaths--and still counting--are attributed to covid-19 while there are 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who got a vaccine.

It depends on how you look at those numbers. You can view it in terms of percentages, or maybe you could view it as a trust issue. 5,208 people who relied on the government to rescue them from a pandemic and listened to the experts and talking heads on TV are no longer alive because they trusted what they heard. Some of them may have even scoffed at those who are called "anti-vaxxers" for being paranoid and listening to "conspiracy theories".

Now they're being trivialized as a tiny minority of a statistic that we're somehow supposed to view as relatively insignificant.

 

[RDKirk]

It depends on how you look at those numbers. You can view it in terms of percentages, or maybe you could view it as a trust issue. 5,208 people who relied on the government to rescue them from a pandemic and listened to the experts and talking heads on TV are no longer alive because they trusted what they heard. Some of them may have even scoffed at those who are called "anti-vaxxers" for being paranoid and listening to "conspiracy theories".

Now they're being trivialized as a tiny minority of a statistic that we're somehow supposed to view as relatively insignificant.

Anti-vaxxers are somehow viewing 600,000 as relatively insignificant.

 

[RDKirk]

Are you sure you're not just engaging in hyperbole here? Surely you don't REALLY believe they think ALL deaths are caused by taking a vaccine.

Including the auto accidents.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

What ever happened to testing? The nurses could be tested to see if they have Covid or not, and then sent home if they do. It worked before. All those doctors and nurses wearing the fully enclosed protective gear before there was a vaccine. What happened to that? Those nurses worked very long shifts and sacrificed being with their families because they didn't want to risk bringing the virus home, so they lived in RVs and motels. Now they're being fired from their job and labeled as if they "don't care about their patients".
How quickly this country turns against the people they held up as heroes less than a year ago!
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90 plus% percent of people , that don't want the COVID-19 vaccination are brainwashed . I don't want someone, that's brainwashed around me , or servicing me at all. Brainwashed people tend to be stupid and don't care about being around other brainwashed people, that can have COVID-19. The COVID-19 test can have a negative reaction. If someone doesn't have enough COVID-19 virus in them. I really never felt safe with any nurse or doctor during this COVID-19 pandemic. And your picture is untrue. She's not wearing a Face Shields. And I seen plenty of nurses, doctors and me. That wear Face Shields. That never experience the marks like your picture.

 

[FireDragon76]

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

Is being anti-science really the hill you want to die on? Because I think that's a very losing proposition.

 

[FireDragon76]

Not according to the FDA. From page 12 of the link:

"The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic. In response, FDA has issued an EUA for the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization against COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older. FDA issued this EUA, based on Pfizer-BioNTech’s request and submitted data. Although limited scientific information is available, based on the totality of the scientific evidence available to date, it is reasonable to believe that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be effective for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals as specified in the Full EUA Prescribing Information. This EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will end when the Secretary of HHS determines that the circumstances justifying the EUA no longer exist or when there is a change in the approval status of the product such that an EUA is no longer needed."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

You're playing semantic games. In common speech, authorization is approval.

 

[cow451]

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

A poster seems unfamiliar with how scholarly articles are vetted.

 

[cow451]

Anti-vaccine movement. How words impact the mind...interesting.

Could it not be called a Pro-Choice movement? Wouldn't it really be what it is? Having a right to chose to or not to?

No

 

[cow451]

Are you sure you're not just engaging in hyperbole here? Surely you don't REALLY believe they think ALL deaths are caused by taking a vaccine.

Capt. Kirk is not prone to hyperbole. Ridiculing lesser argument? Perhaps.

 

[cow451]

It depends on how you look at those numbers. You can view it in terms of percentages, or maybe you could view it as a trust issue. 5,208 people who relied on the government to rescue them from a pandemic and listened to the experts and talking heads on TV are no longer alive because they trusted what they heard. Some of them may have even scoffed at those who are called "anti-vaxxers" for being paranoid and listening to "conspiracy theories".

Now they're being trivialized as a tiny minority of a statistic that we're somehow supposed to view as relatively insignificant.

Statistically they are a tiny minority. That’s data.