So About BLM....

[Oneiric1975]

White man pretending to speak for the black race. This is called "white savior complex" in some circles.

No, it's called "white person believing what millions of black people say to them".

There's a subtle difference there you may not be comfortable with.

Let's be honest... if you think 99% of black people think the same and the ones who disagree only constitute 1%....you need to examine your own beliefs, not others.

No, it means some folks like you simply dismiss the millions of voices that threaten your preferred view and focus simply on those who confirm your view.

It is called confirmation bias. No one says those black people who have overcome racism or had little personal experience of it are somehow "wrong", just anecdotal data.

In science we have the concept of a DISTRIBUTION of outcomes. The key is to see where the mode of that distribution falls. Not just focus on the ends of the distribution.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Depends on the reason. I think elective should be free of any restrictions whatsoever thru at least the 4th month.

Thanks for your replies. I was just curious. I'm anti-abortion, but I respect your calm/mature replies.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, it's called "white person believing what millions of black people say to them".

You have never spoken to, nor heard from millions of black people.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Thanks for your replies. I was just curious. I'm anti-abortion, but I respect your calm/mature replies.

I'm pro-choice but hope no one would ever want to do an abortion. My personal choice is that we develop a nation wherein a woman doesn't feel the need to take such a decision. But we worship Mammon in this nation so that's not likely anytime soon. Can't have good social safety nets when it would take money out of our own pockets. Best to just spew hatred on people in a rough situation. Mammon approves of that.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I'm pro-choice but hope no one would ever want to do an abortion. My personal choice is that we develop a nation wherein a woman doesn't feel the need to take such a decision. But we worship Mammon in this nation so that's not likely anytime soon. Can't have good social safety nets when it would take money out of our own pockets. Best to just spew hatred on people in a rough situation. Mammon approves of that.

I don't understand why people don't choose adoption. I've known people who did make that choice and it worked out well. They were even updated about their child's progress.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

White man pretending to speak for the black race. This is called "white savior complex" in some circles.



Let's be honest... if you think 99% of black people think the same and the ones who disagree only constitute 1%....you need to examine your own beliefs, not others.

This is going to be my last post to you. I have read many of your post in this Christian Forum and all the post contribute to one single purpose – Strong biased opinion about African Americans.

It is sad and unfortunate to see a Christian Forum like this allow you to post such a “Strong Biased Opinion” about African-Americans.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

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[Whyayeman]

How does everyone feel about the leader of BLM, Mrs Marxism herself, Cullors stepping down?

I'm just curious about what everyone thinks of that? Do you feel scammed for supporting it? Did you give money? Did you march? Did you realize it wasn't real long ago?

It is a pity that no citation was given, which is irregular on this forum.

Some context is called for. Cullors has stepped down after eight or so years of successful leadership. That in itself seems perfectly sensible. US Presidents step down after eight years. Perhaps it is a sensible limit for anybody who has undertaken the principle role in an organisation.

Much is made of Cullors' properties with a suggestion that she has made off with her organisation's cash by some sections of the press which have been critical of BLM since its inception and by the original post (do you feel scammed?). No actual allegations of impropriety have been made so far as I am aware and in particular by BLM itself so far as I know. In fact BLM have denied it paid for her house and said they had not paid her any money since 2019, adding that she had only received $120,000 since 2013 over the period of her leadership; that seems to me to be a modest stipend.

She has a successful book already published and another due in October. She also has her salaries from her university teaching. Black women are allowed to be independently wealthy and we have not take her partner's income into account.

So what do I think about her departure? Despite the innuendo from certain sections of the press (the usual suspects) there is no irregularity about it; indeed it is her business and nobody else's outside the organisation and its supporters.

 

[morningstar2651]

If you don't then perhaps you should consider the fact that the organization doesn't actually help black people in any way despite having both the means and opportunity to do so.

Do you really care about this subject? Do you have someone you'd like to nominate for the executive director of BLM? Have you volunteered or donated to the organization at all? Do you have anything constructive to add, or are you just here to criticize the organization for funsies? I'm beginning to suspect that the more this organization does to help black people, the more threads you'll create to complain about the things they do.

 

[morningstar2651]

It is a pity that no citation was given, which is irregular on this forum.

Some context is called for. Cullors has stepped down after eight or so years of successful leadership. That in itself seems perfectly sensible. US Presidents step down after eight years. Perhaps it is a sensible limit for anybody who has undertaken the principle role in an organisation.

Much is made of Cullors' properties with a suggestion that she has made off with her organisation's cash by some sections of the press which have been critical of BLM since its inception and by the original post (do you feel scammed?). No actual allegations of impropriety have been made so far as I am aware and in particular by BLM itself so far as I know. In fact BLM have denied it paid for her house and said they had not paid her any money since 2019, adding that she had only received $120,000 since 2013 over the period of her leadership; that seems to me to be a modest stipend.

She has a successful book already published and another due in October. She also has her salaries from her university teaching. Black women are allowed to be independently wealthy and we have not take her partner's income into account.

So what do I think about her departure? Despite the innuendo from certain sections of the press (the usual suspects) there is no irregularity about it; indeed it is her business and nobody else's outside the organisation and its supporters.

^^ I think this post is important to read, so I'm quoting it again here.

There are no charges filed and no credible accusations of wrongdoing. Stepping down after eight years of successful leadership isn't something to criticize.

It's normal for the executive director of a non-profit to eventually move on to a different job. I'm pretty active with a couple of international organizations and both of them have had at least one change of leadership in the last 5 years. No improprieties involved - the director just felt that they accomplished everything they set out to do and felt it was time to pass the reins on to someone new and move on with their careers.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Do you really care about this subject?

Absolutely.

Do you have someone you'd like to nominate for the executive director of BLM? Have you volunteered or donated to the organization at all? Do you have anything constructive to add, or are you just here to criticize the organization for funsies? I'm beginning to suspect that the more this organization does to help black people, the more threads you'll create to complain about the things they do.

No to all...I wouldn't trust any Marxist movement.

However, if I were magically in charge...

I'd save maybe 5-10 million for operating expenses for the next decade. I'd donate 5 million piecemeal to the families I rallied for which drew in my influx of capital, with my apologies for any misunderstandings.

I'd set aside 50 million for businesses that were destroyed during the three months of rioting my organization caused, I'd give these businesses loans, interest free, and with no payback date, and hope they understand it was never my intention to harm those communities. Whatever is left would be used to support local AGs willing to vigorously go after bad cops....even if it's a losing case, but only bad cops...not those who took a life rightly in the course of their duties.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No, it's called "white person believing what millions of black people say to them".

Yeah? What do they say to you?

No, it means some folks like you simply dismiss the millions of voices that threaten your preferred view and focus simply on those who confirm your view.

It is called confirmation bias. No one says those black people who have overcome racism or had little personal experience of it are somehow "wrong", just anecdotal data.

In science we have the concept of a DISTRIBUTION of outcomes. The key is to see where the mode of that distribution falls. Not just focus on the ends of the distribution.

Uh huh...it's good you're looking up and learning about biases. You keep learning and you may realize how silly the idea of a bias like white privilege is.

I've given serious thought towards the narrative put forth by black activists. I agreed wholeheartedly with the need for more accountability. I think there are significant steps made in that direction. I also think that the activism now does more damage than good because if the original purpose was ever reform, its not that now.

They just hate police.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It is a pity that no citation was given, which is irregular on this forum.

Some context is called for. Cullors has stepped down after eight or so years of successful leadership. That in itself seems perfectly sensible. US Presidents step down after eight years. Perhaps it is a sensible limit for anybody who has undertaken the principle role in an organisation.

Much is made of Cullors' properties with a suggestion that she has made off with her organisation's cash by some sections of the press which have been critical of BLM since its inception and by the original post (do you feel scammed?). No actual allegations of impropriety have been made so far as I am aware and in particular by BLM itself so far as I know. In fact BLM have denied it paid for her house and said they had not paid her any money since 2019, adding that she had only received $120,000 since 2013 over the period of her leadership; that seems to me to be a modest stipend.

If you didn't pay close attention it's understandable why you would have some of these details wrong. She originally declared BLM a loose collective (as a Marxist would) with no central leadership.

It wasn't until a year or two ago that she declared herself dictator for life, which is the best way to describe a "president" no one voted for, and that's when accusations of hoarding wealth and abuse of power began leaking from members of her own organization.

Since then I think she's been able to keep them quiet and keep internal disagreements out of the media. This ended when she bought millions of dollars worth of mansions.

Now she's decided to step back....although strangely, she hasn't declared that she receives no further payments from her BLM work anywhere I can find.

She has a successful book already published and another due in October. She also has her salaries from her university teaching. Black women are allowed to be independently wealthy and we have not take her partner's income into account.

So what do I think about her departure? Despite the innuendo from certain sections of the press (the usual suspects) there is no irregularity about it; indeed it is her business and nobody else's outside the organisation and its supporters.

You're right about the book. I can't find numbers of copies sold. Unless a first time author can be vastly more successful and reap far more wealth than I realized....that's not the kind of long money that can buy mansions where she bought them. I've read she's a paid speaker but I can only find a couple examples of this. She would have to be the highest paid speaker to not record her discussions in the US. My guess is that somewhere along the line, people advised her not to speak. She sounds like a Marxist after all.

The teaching is news to me and I'm awestruck.....I've had professors with multiple textbooks and they don't live in mansions. Where and what does she teach?

It stinks. I'll admit I could be wrong....but do you honestly see nothing wrong here?

 

[Whyayeman]

You are right in that I have not been paying close (or any) attention to Ms Cullors' career.

There is an awful lot there which is merely unsubstantiated opinion, not least that I think she's been able to keep them quiet and keep internal disagreements out of the media.

Actually I felt your original post was simply unfair.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You are right in that I have not been paying close (or any) attention to Ms Cullors' career.

There is an awful lot there which is merely unsubstantiated opinion, not least that I think she's been able to keep them quiet and keep internal disagreements out of the media.

That's not me. I read that in an article from one of her organizers that spoke out. It was not widely disseminated and it's understandable why. Outrage gets media dollars. It gets BLM in the streets. It generates more outrage. I'm not saying they're working in concert....but there's no incentive to undermine the outrage machine.

I'll take a look and see if I can find it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You are right in that I have not been paying close (or any) attention to Ms Cullors' career.

There is an awful lot there which is merely unsubstantiated opinion, not least that I think she's been able to keep them quiet and keep internal disagreements out of the media.

Actually I felt your original post was simply unfair.

Yeah so....she assumed dictatorships just last year, you know, when the money started rolling in. The grassroots decentralized collective morphed into an authoritarian wealth grab real fast.

Black Lives Matter power grab sets off internal revolt

"The 10 chapters that signed the letter, the self-proclaimed #BLM10, laid out a half-dozen points of contention and long-standing grievances. Cullors is chief among their complaints, they said, arguing she made a power grab when she appointed herself executive director of the Black Lives Matter Global Network.

They also said there’s a lack of transparency over money the movement has raised and how chapters can access it. Since Black Lives Matter formed in 2013, the chapters complained they’ve received scant financial support, despite repeated promises.

Members have brought this up as early as 2016 and frustrated chapters planned to go public with their grievances months ago. But they were encouraged to wait and discuss the issues with Cullors privately. Those discussions were not productive, they say."

Check the date...2016. These people got no support for supporting BLM.

"We didn't have an opportunity to agree to discuss. Nothing,” said Yahné Ndgo, a lead organizer with Black Lives Matter Philadelphia. “So then we ask questions, and we are told no answers."

Does it start to stink yet? It goes on with the response being a "funding structure issue" but how that can exist in a decentralized collective I've got no idea. Clearly all funds should have been distributed equally. Lol marxists.

This woman kept her grift largely out of the media for 4.5 years. Now that it's out, she's stepping back and she wants to say it's a coincidence.

I feel bad for her supporters. In terms of history though...80-90 million is cheap to be rid of a Marxist. Usually it takes millions of deaths and everyone's wealth and multiple decades of misery. I guess Che was the cheapest....cost of a few bullets.

 

[morningstar2651]

Racists and fascists tend to hide behind the guise of "anti-communism". The idea of equal rights is apparently communist because...the equal distribution of rights?

The Nazis claimed that they weren't racist, they just opposed Jewish Bolshevism. Their propaganda was about the degenerative influence of Cultural Bolshevism.

The fascists of today have re-branded that to Cultural Marxism. That's right, that phrase is literally Nazi propaganda with a bit of PR spin. It's an insane conspiracy theory about a group of Jewish intellectuals trying to corrupt and subvert "western culture" with Marxism. Same stuff, different decade.

They still use that same anti-communist canard to target minorities. They aren't racist, they just oppose black Marxists and the equal distribution of human rights. They aren't sexist, homophobic, or transphobic... they just oppose the degenerate influences of women, homosexuals, and transexuals on our culture.

Here is the quick and easy guide to recognizing a Fascist. For a more in-depth guide, please read Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism and watch the video below.

1. A fascist believes that their national, ethnic, or racial identity is superior to all others.
2. A fascist believes that their nation, ethnicity, or race was previously at the height of its power, but they are now in decline due to corrupting or degenerative influences.
   
3. A fascist believes that they must remove those corrupting or degenerative influences from their nation to return to power. (those influences being the minority being used as a scapegoat, and removal usually gets called "relocation" but usually ends up meaning extermination in the end)

 

[KCfromNC]

It wasn't until a year or two ago that she declared herself dictator for life

Literally?

 

[Whyayeman]

Ana appears to have access to information about Cullors denied to anyone else. That makes me uncomfortable. I don't think he is making it up, but I wish there was some way of verifying these claims.

I have searched in vain for verification.