Do you have a "renewed mind".?

[Sidon]

Addressed in my post #128, above.

Unresponsive, again.

 

[Sidon]

Ad yet John includes himself with the sinners in his instructions for sinners.

That's a preacher preaching.
Its a technique.
All of us use it.
So if you go to church, and your leader gives an "alter call", he'll say "we", when he's trying to lead sinners (who have sin) to the Cross of Christ.
When you hear them do this, you will be reminded of your nonsense that you've been believing and robotically posting on this forum for days.
So, that'll be from God's ear to yours.
Watch and see.
And if you don't go to church, but just live on Forums, then take it from this Preacher.....that "we" is not including the Preacher.

 

[Sidon]

Don't need to, there are tools that, when used togethe,

Thank you for trying to prove nonsense.

Listen.
Do not set the "greek" above the word of God.
Do not try to deny that your greek translator is your authority.
Do not try to now hide from the fact that you can't read Greek, and you have trusted some "translator" as your final authority, which is why you are on this forum, talking about the Greek, to try to prove what you dont even understand.
You didnt even realize that you have trusted a TRANSLATOR, as your authority over the Bible.
You didnt even realize that you have to find out what every teacher/translator believes, about the CROSS.....before you start teaching what they told you to THINK.
Wake up !
Its quite possible that your translator is just a professional translator, hired by the publishing company that sold you their book, and this man or woman, translator, is not even born again.
See, you have to find this out from ME.
And you've never even realize your this. before i just told you how to THINK about this....
Now, come and once again try to prove that you "knew all this", so that we can all be amused, Clare73.

 

[Sidon]

[QUOTE="Clare73, post: 75997517, member: 309690"
Straw man.
Something is amiss.[/QUOTE]

You didn't list the "straw man".
So, saying something is a "straw man" without defending your position, is a "straw man".
So, that is what is "amiss".
Its you.

 

[Clare73]

That's a preacher preaching.
Its a technique.
All of us use it.

No one talks to unbelievers in the following terms, and you know it.

They talk to unbelievers in terms of faith and salvation.

Something is amiss.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." (Which you claim.)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
If we claim we have not sinned, we make God out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." (Which you claim.)
(1 John 1:8-10)

 

[HIM]

I am guessing you are not familiar with regeneration through the Holy Spirit.?
AKA renewal of the mind which is the heart ?

Renewal in the Romans 12 is a noun.

The renewal of the mind is a done deal through the New covenant. For God has said he will put His Laws into our minds and hearts. We just have to catch up with it.


1 I entreat you, then, Brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, for this is your rational worship. 2 Do not conform to the fashion of this world; but be transformed by the complete change (renewal) that has come over your minds, so that you may discern what God’s will is — all that is good, acceptable, and perfect.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Renewal in the Romans 12 is a noun.

The renewal of the mind is a done deal through the New covenant. For God has said he will put His Laws into our minds and hearts. We just have to catch up with it.


1 I entreat you, then, Brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, for this is your rational worship. 2 Do not conform to the fashion of this world; but be transformed by the complete change (renewal) that has come over your minds, so that you may discern what God’s will is — all that is good, acceptable, and perfect.

He does this through His Holy Spirit. This is the main function of His Holy Spirit to dwell in all belivers , the rebirth, " born again" ,renewal. Blessings.

 

[Clare73]

Straw man.
Something is amiss.

You didn't list the "straw man".

The straw man is always the point made, to which is being responded.

 

[Clare73]

I didnt overlook it.
I explained it to you at least 5 times.

You can't hear, because your hearing is "unresponsive".

This post was to Pescador, not to you.

 

[Clare73]

Do not set the "greek" above the word of God.

The word of God IS Greek!

Something is amiss.

Do not try to deny that your greek translator is your authority.
. . .you have trusted a TRANSLATOR, as your authority over the Bible.

A favorite refuge of unbelief. . .

You still have not clearly stated where the single principle in the folllowing word of God specifically fits into your theology of the Christian life:

The NT presents action to be taken by the saved; i.e., the righteousness of sanctification as a process of growing in holiness.

. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness. (Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

"Think on these things." (Php 4:8)

All your misunderstanding of the NT would rectify itself in the right understanding of the righteousness of justification as distinct from the righteouness of sanctification.

 

[pescador]

You've overlooked that John included himself, in the sinning of believers (1 John 1:8-10).

See post #128, above.

You're disappointing me, Pescador, I had you for more square than that.

Sorry that I disappoint you, but I'm sorry that you don't understand John's writing.

1 John1:5-8, "Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you [separate people]: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. [so John is walking in darkness?] But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. [So here, John is deceiving himself and lying?]

John is writing gently to those who haven't heard the Good News about God. He's like a parent instructing a child on the order of "Now we shouldn't lie, should we?" Is the parent telling the child that s/he (the parent) lies? Of course not, but it makes the hearer less resistant to the message.

If you think that the Apostle John -- the disciple whom Jesus loved -- is "walking in darkness" and "lying" and "not practicing the truth" and "deceiving ourselves", then you are far away from understanding what he wrote.

 

[pescador]

Do you think that the first part John's letter would have been accepted by the hearers if he had written...

"If you say you have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, you are lying and not practicing the truth"? [Here he is calling them liars!] And "If you say you do not bear the guilt of sin, you are deceiving yourselves and the truth is not in you." [Here is is writing that they are deceiving themselves and lying.]

I sincerely doubt that they would have received his message to them after he accused them of lying, not practicing the truth, and deceiving themselves.

 

[pescador]

Do you think that the first part John's letter would have been accepted by the hearers if he had written...

"If you say you have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, you are lying and not practicing the truth"? [Here he is calling them liars!] And "If you say you do not bear the guilt of sin, you are deceiving yourselves and the truth is not in you." [Here is is writing that they are deceiving themselves and lying.]

In the letter, he says directly that "we are lying and not practicing the truth". That is some contradiction!! Again, John wrote that he is a liar, so why should anybody accept what he wrote?

I sincerely doubt that they would have received his message to them after he accused them of lying, (after admitting to being a liar himself), not practicing the truth, and deceiving themselves.

 

[Clare73]

Sorry that I disappoint you, but I'm sorry that you don't understand John's writing.

You've got to be kidding!
You think John is addressing unbelievers? . .wonders never cease.

1 John1:5-8, "Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you [separate people]: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. [so John is walking in darkness?] But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. [So here, John is deceiving himself and lying?]

YES!!!

IF John says or does any of the above, he is walking in darkness, or has fellowship with the brethren, or is deceving himself.

IF John says or does any of the things in 1 John 1:8-10, he is deceiving himself and the truth is not in him, or his sins are forgiven and he is purified from all unrighteousness, or he makes God out to be a liar.

None of this can apply to unbelievers.

Unbelievers do not have fellowship with the brethren, nor practice truth, nor is the truth in them, nor are their sins forgiven and they are purified from all unrightousness by confession of sin, or have a place for the word of God in their hearts.

C'mon, Pescador. . .you know better than that. . .what is going on? (First tool of Biblical diagnostics: how is your obedience?)

John is writing gently to those who haven't heard the Good News about God.

The apostles didn't write to unbleivers, they preached to them--faith comes by hearing (Romans 10:17).
They wrote to the churches.

 

[pescador]

You've got to be kidding!
You think John is addressing unbelievers? . .wonders never cease.

YES!!!

IF John says or does any of the above, he is walking in darkness, or has fellowship with the brethren, or is deceving himself.

IF John says or does any of the things in 1 John 1:8-10, he is deceiving himself and the truth is not in him, or his sins are forgiven and he is purified from all unrighteousness, or he makes God out to be a liar.

None of this can apply to unbelievers.

Unbelievers do not have fellowship with the brethren, nor practice truth, nor is the truth in them, nor are their sins forgiven and they are purified from all unrightousness by confession of sin, or have a place for the word of God in their hearts.

C'mon, Pescador. . .you know better that. . .what is going on? (First tool of Biblical diagnostics: how is your obedience?)

The apostles didn't write to unbleivers, they preached to them--faith comes by hearing (Romans 10:17).
They wrote to the churches.

I will respond to only one point, and then I'm done...

You wrote "The apostles didn't write to unbleivers [sic]" Well, your Bible must be lighter than mine now that you have eliminated what Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote. Do you even understand what "the Gospel" is?

Since you refuse to accept what Scripture clearly says I won't discuss this with you any further. You can believe whatever you want; I believe what God's Word clearly says.

 

[Psalm 27]

Acts 19:1
And when Apollo was in Corinthus, Paulus went about in the upper countries and came to Ephesaus, and was questioning those disciples whom he had found there:
2
‘Have you received The Spirit of Holiness since you have believed?” They answered, and were saying to him, “We have not even heard if there is a Spirit of Holiness.”

Just started on the Peshitta translation, and realised that’s what The Lord is, He is holiness. If we have received Him, that’s what I/we should be. It should come naturally. So, If not, why not?

 

[Clare73]

I will respond to only one point, and then I'm done...

You wrote "The apostles didn't write to unbleivers [sic]" Well, your Bible must be lighter than mine now that you have eliminated what Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote. Do you even understand what "the Gospel" is?

Since you refuse to accept what Scripture clearly says I won't discuss this with you any further. You can believe whatever you want; I believe what God's Word clearly says.

The Bible was written for the church and proselytes.

 

[Sidon]

No one talks to unbelievers in the following terms, and you know it.
(1 John 1:8-10)

Let me show you what i know, that you dont know, yet.

If you ever try to win a soul, you'll find that you want to relate to this person.
So, if you talk down to them, they will get offended.
What you do is be inclusive..
"Oh yes, i know how it is.....i know how you feel......i understand".
Yet, you don't have their issue, you just say you understand how it is..
This does not mean you are like them, but you understand what they are going through.

Think of it like this...
Jesus is "touched with the feelings of our infirmities".
This means that God became one of us, and lived on this earth.
He felt what it felt like to know temptation, to know heartbreak, to know hunger, etc.
He can RELATE to us, 100%, YET He never sinned.

And that is John in that verse.
"if we say we have no sin"...
That is not John saying, "i have sin".
Even you, once you start thinking, vs just trying to argue.... can figure out that if that Apostle has sin, the he wont be out doing any preaching.
Wake up.

 

[Sidon]

The straw man is always the point made, to which is being responded.

You're "Unresponsive", again.

You really need to do better.
See, if you don't understand what im showing you, then instead of reaching for the "strawman" dodge, then just ask me a question.

We can dialog on a superior level, if you dont try to use post's to attack, and instead just relate to me as a chrisitan.
Try that.
When you dont understand something, then just ask a question.

 

[Sidon]

This post was to Pescador, not to you.

You're on my Thread.
Welcome.