Do you have a "renewed mind".?

[Clare73]

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)
"No man has seen God at any time".
So, you have a problem.
And the problem is, you've never seen Jesus.
Neither has your pastor, preacher, minister, or Pope.
Your verse says that without Holiness, you can't "SEE the Lord".
This verse is SPIRITUAL... Clare73, deeply.

So, you are posting a verse that talks about using your eyes to see Him, if you are holy, andYet, that never happens., because that verse isn't referring to your EYES, Clare73.
And why? Because your verse is not LITERAL, regarding a person on this Earth, who is born again.
So, you are one more person, who posts random verses, that do not happen to the born again, as the verse is literally written.....and you dont understand this, and yet,

you post them as your proof of nothing.

So, tell us Clair73.. You've never SEEN Jesus.
Is that because you are not HOLY YET?
That's what your verse says.

So, there you go, i just dealt with your scripture and your nonsense.

Or since no one sees Jesus this side of the Judgment, it is irrelevant and a hed herring to say anyone would understand it that way, but instead they would understand it as referring to seeing and being with Jesus in eternity, which the unholy will not be doing.

I am so disappointed in you.
Do you not see the intellectual dishonesty in that response?
Something is amiss.

And then you post that "action is to be taken on the part of a believer".
You mean, like discipleship?

Have you noticed the root of the words discipleship and discipline are the same?
Why do you think that is?
Because both are about training (growth by instruction and discipline) by the teacher or master, about a process of action.

]Like, """"Walking in the Light As He is in the light?""""
Like "presenting your body a living sacrifice"?

Ok thanks for posting the obvious.

So then you agree the NT teaches there is action required of the saved in the process of sanctification, which means we are not yet complete, some improvements are still needed, such as in those in the NT exhortations below.

And this process of sanctification is not an earning of salvation, it is a completing of one's salvation in the Holy Spirit through obedience as the NT teaches.

So that, no completion in sanctification going on gives evidence (not proof) that there is no salvation to complete.

And that is where 1 John 1:8-10 comes in--it is part of the process of sanctification of the saved, of the improvements which the NT teaches are still needed after salvation and justification.
It is not about unbelievers--nothing in 1 John is to unbelievers, it is about turning to God when we miss the mark (sin) in our process of completion through the Holy Spirit so that he can forgive us and purify us of any unrighteosness (1 John 1:9).

1 John 1:9 is no more our "savior" than are the following:

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Leviticus 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)
. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)
. . ."Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)
. . .Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness.
(Romans 6:22)
". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)
. . ."Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)
". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)
". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22). . .
". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)
. . ."God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)
". . .die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)
". . .everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)
". . .he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)
. . ."Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)
. . ."Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)
. . ."Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

So are you now able to receive 1 John 1:8-10 as instructions to believers?
I wish you would.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, your #110 addresses Discipleship.
Discipleship is not your holiness.
Its you presenting yourself as a living sacrifice to God.
Thats Discipleship 101

Discipleship is addressed in my post #121, above.

 

[Clare73]

You are denying the God-breathed Scriptures in 1 John 1:8-10, which you justify by claiming that John wrote a letter to unbelievers.

No, im denying your interpretation of a verse that you are misapplying because the person that taught you, was also in error.
You're just carrying on with their previous error, as a tradition.

And you know this, how?

What words am I misinterpreting in 1 John 1:8-10?

Non-responsive.

 

[Sidon]

Or since no one sees Jesus this side of the Judgment, it is irrelevant and a hed herring to say anyone would understand it that way, but instead they would understand it as referring to seeing and being with Jesus in eternity, which the unholy will not be doing.

I am so disappointed in you.
Do you not see the intellectual dishonesty in that response?

Intellectual dishonesty is to post a verse about "holiness, and without it, no one shall see the Lord", to try to prove try to prove your error filled theology regarding sanctification by discipleship, as you did, and then when i showed you that you dont know what you are talking about, you then try to be coy and clever, and failed, when you again gave a 2nd definition that is wrong, to try to appear as if you are an authority.

There is your intellectual dishonesty.
And you'll do it again.
You'll say, but i didnt mean that.....

Uh huh.

 

[Sidon]

So then you agree the NT teaches there is action required of the saved in the process of sanctification,

Well, you dont quote me, here. You just make something up.
So, lets get it right.
I never said that discipleship is our sanctification. I said that if you want to believe that, then that's fine.

What i said is 1 Corinthians 1:30, and posted the verse that you ignored.
It says, and i teach, that our sanctification, is JESUS Himself.
He'a also our righteousness and our justification.

 

[Sidon]

It is not about unbelievers--nothing in 1 John is to unbelievers, it is about turning to God when we miss the mark (sin) in our process of completion through the Holy Spirit so that he can forgive us and purify us of any unrighteosness (1 John 1:9).

The verse is absolutely not written to the "children".
See, John always refers to the born again, as "little children" or similar.
And in your verse that you can't discern, he doesn't.
Also, John does not have sin.
So, for you to even understand what that means in reality, you'd have to go way back to when you were first a believer and be taught correctly about who you are in Christ, and this does not include being a saved sinner who needs to try to prove you are a Christian by confessing, as you said today, which is one of the oddest and incredibly backward ideas about a believer, ive ever heard.

 

[Clare73]

If i deal with it, and did, and you don't understand that i did, then, you should seek to know why.

You denied the Greek definition (declaration of "not guilty") of the Greek word (dikaioo) which means justify/justification, which is not a Biblical demonstration of error in my presentation.
On what basis, other than your dislike, do you deny the meaning of dikaioo in the NT?

Nor did you address the single principle of the Scriptures presented, which are the same Scriptures as those in my post #110, above, and about which I am not clear whether you agree with or not.

 

[Clare73]

No, not at all. That is a born again Apostle, who has no sin,

And that very apostle disagrees with you:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." (Which you claim.)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
If we claim we have not sinned, we make God out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." (Which you claim.)
(1 John 1:8-10)

John includes himself in all of the above.
It is you who erroneously excludes him. . .and yourself.

Something is amiss.
There is no need to cling to this error regarding 1 John, when it has been Biblically demonstrated to you that
1) there is sanctifying action in the Holy Spirit to be taken after salvation, of which 1 John 1:8-10 is an example;

2) John includes himself in his instructions regarding sin and the believer's action to be taken at that time;

3) to maintain your error, you must deny that both Hebrews and 1 John were written to churches, and assert that they were written to unbelievers.

dealing with people who have theirs.
If they listen to him, there is forgiveness found for them.
If not, they are in the same sinking ship as those in Hebrews 10 and Acts 28.

The Hebrew professing Christians are in a sinking ship only if they carry out the apostasy they are considering.
The Christ-rejecting Jews are in a sinking ship.
Yes, sinking ship is the threatened outcome in both cases, because both cases ultimately are rejection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Sidon]

So are you now able to receive 1 John 1:8-10 as instructions to believers?

Oh i never do that..
That would be insulting to the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus.

Let me tell you what confessing your sin does for God.
A.) Nothing.

Why? Its because the Blood of Jesus always keeps God at peace with all the Born again, at all times.
So, a person like you, who sins and confesses, thinks that when you sin, you have "broken your fellowship" with God, as that is what you were taught, which is why you believe it.

See, you were not taught the Grace of God correctly, or you would KNOW that God is always kept at perfect Peace with all the born again, BY the Blood of Jesus., at all times, no matter what they do.
We never have to confess anything, or do anything to try to get back into God fellowship, because the Blood Atonement, always keeps us as Righteous as God's Righteousness.
See that?
Your carnal deed you needed to confess yesterday, has no impact on the Blood Atonement that keeps the born again always "made Righteous".

So, let me show you why you confess your carnality deed that you committed again.
Its not to be re-saved, or re-forgiven, or any of this.
As a matter of fact, if you read ROMANS 4:8, and you read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again, then you might consider using that "logic" that you like to talk about.
Ask yourself...>"Clare73.. If God does not charge my sin to me.....Romans 4:8.. they why am i confessing it".

Yeah, good question, isn't it.
Where is your logic?
Is it broken again?

So let me answer that for you, Clare73.
Its why im here.
You confess, because you feel GUILTY and you feel CONDEMNED, and you think that your fellowship is broken with God, again.
So, you tell God all about your sin, again and again and again, each time..... and after a while, you feel BETTER, each time you confess again.
So, that is why you do it, everytime you do it.
= To feel better.. Its your little psych game you play within your own mind.
You sin, you feel guilty, you then confess all your bad deeds, and you get RELIEF in your MIND.
That is why you do it.
That's why all do it who do this...
And God is not even involved, as He already forgave all the sin of the born again, 2000 yrs ago.
He's not going to forgive you again.. He already did this 2000 yrs ago if you are born again, and not just water baptized.

Now, if you have sin, and are needing to be forgiven, then you are not born again.
You're a sinner, and on you way to hell. John 3:36
If that is you, then go to 1 John 1:9, and confess your sin, and God will be faithful to forgive you for them all, and He will give you the new birth, if you will trust in Christ.
Thats a promise, and you can believe it.

 

[Sidon]

You denied the Greek definition (declaration of "not guilty") of the Greek word (dikaioo) which is means justify/justification, which is not a Biblical demonstration of error in my presentation.

You dont speak Koine Greek.
So, like i was telling another few hundred about this on other sites and in other places over the years, .... here is your problem.
When you dont speak Hebrew or Greek FLUENTLY< and you go to a Lexicon, or in your case, a bible commentary, or similar that is teaching definitions of koine greek, then the definitions you are reading, are given by someone who believes that is what the words mean.
This means that your authority isn't the BIBLE, but its the translator that told you what the greek word means.
There is your source, and that is a FAIL.

See, you can pick up 20 of these Translators of GREEK, and you have 20 different interpreters who give their definitions.
THat's not "Bible" thats, nothing.
So, when you realize that each has a different idea of the greek word... they have all translated them, according to : what some other translator told them, probably.... which means you end up with nothing while trying to sound like an authority..

So, dont use "greek" that you dont read, as this is just pretending to sound like an authority, and in fact, its the worst type of misinformation, as you are getting it from a Translator, and you can't know if the one you are using, isn't a cultist, or worse.
So, leave the greek alone, and let the Bible and a good teacher of the Bible, help you, instead.

 

[Sidon]

And you know this, how?

What words am I misinterpreting in 1 John 1:8-10?

Non-responsive.

15 responses to you about this same verse, and you say i'm unresponsive.
So, i say your dishonest..

Now, here is the same thing again, that ive told you over 10 times.

The verse is absolutely not written to the "children".
See, John always refers to the born again, as "little children" or similar.
And in your verse that you can't discern, he doesn't.
Also, John does not have sin.
So, for you to even understand what that means in reality, you'd have to go way back to when you were first a believer and be taught correctly about who you are in Christ, and this does not include being a saved sinner who needs to try to prove you are a Christian by confessing, as you said today, which is one of the oddest and incredibly backward ideas about a believer, ive ever heard. person like you, who who sins and confesses, thinks that when you sin, you have "broken your fellowship" with God, as that is what you were taught, which is why you believe itL

You were not taught the Grace of God correctly, or you would KNOW that God is always kept at perfect Peace with all the born again, BY the Blood of Jesus., at all times, no matter what they do.

1. We never have to confess anything, or do anything to try to get back into God's fellowship, because the Blood Atonement, always keeps us as Righteous as God's Righteousness.
   See that?
   Your carnal deed you needed to confess yesterday, has no impact on the Blood Atonement that keeps the born again always "made Righteous".
   
   So, let me show you why you confess your carnality deed that you committed again.
   Its not to be re-saved, or re-forgiven, or any of this.
   As a matter of fact, if you read ROMANS 4:8, and you read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again, then you might consider using that "logic" that you like to talk about in posts that are too long, totally confused, and worse, Clare73.
   Ask yourself...>"Clare73.. If God does not charge my sin to me.....Romans 4:8.. they why am i confessing it".
   
   Yeah, good question, isn't it.
   Where is your logic?
   Is it broken again?
   
   So let me answer that for you, Clare73.
   Its why im here.
   You confess, because you feel GUILTY and you feel CONDEMNED, and you think that your fellowship is broken with God, again.
   So, you tell God all about your sin, again and again and again, each time..... and after a while, you feel BETTER, each time you confess again.
   So, that is why you do it, everytime you do it.
   = To feel better.. Its your little psych game you play within your own mind.
   You sin, you feel guilty, you then confess all your bad deeds, and you get RELIEF in your MIND.
   That is why you do it.
   Now, if you have sin, and are needing to be forgiven, then you are not born again.
   You're a sinner, and on you way to hell. John 3:36
   If that is you, then go to 1 John 1:9, and confess your sin, and God will be faithful to forgive you for them all, and He will give you the new birth, if you will trust in Christ.
   Thats a promise, and you can believe it.

 

[Clare73]

Here is the relevant section of 1 John in context ...

"Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us."

Clearly nobody would announce the gospel message to believers. Unlike unbelievers, they would have already heard the Gospel. [Should I announce the gospel to you?]

Would you write "If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." ? This is a denial of salvation! John would never write this to believers!

"But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness." So, according to you, after being saved believers still need to be forgiven and cleansed?"

You are denying the God-breathed Scriptures in 1 John, which you justify by claiming that John wrote a letter to believers. There was no need for the Apostle to write the beginning of 1 John to people who are already Christians.

"This is what we proclaim to you: what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and our hands have touched (concerning the word of life— and the life was revealed, and we have seen and testify and announce to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us). What we have seen and heard we announce to you too, so that you may have fellowship with us (and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ). Thus we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete."

So Clare, would you like me to announce the Gospel that I have seen and heard to you?

You've overlooked that John included himself, in the sinning of believers (1 John 1:8-10).

See post #128, above.

You're disappointing me, Pescador, I had you for more square than that.

 

[Clare73]

Intellectual dishonesty is to post a verse about "holiness, and without it, no one shall see the Lord", to try to prove your error filled theology regarding sanctification by discipleship, as you did, and then when i showed you that you dont know what you are talking about, you then try to be coy and clever, and failed, when you again gave a 2nd definition that is wrong, to try to appear as if you are an authority.

There is your intellectual dishonesty.
And you'll do it again.
You'll say, but i didnt mean that.....

Straw man.
I neither said nor implied that Hebrews 12:14 means to literally see Jesus now with our eyes.
Nor did I give a second definition.

I corrected your straw man (definition not given, stated nor implied by me) and presented my first definition as a correction of your straw man, which you then misrepresented as my second definition, in addition to misrepresenting my understanding of the verse.

Well, you dont quote me, here. You just make something up.
So, lets get it right.
I never said that discipleship is our sanctification. I said that if you want to believe that, then that's fine.

Okay, is there action to be taken in the Holy Spirit by the saved in the process of sanctification, per the list of Scriptrues I presented?

What i said is 1 Corinthians 1:30, and posted the verse that you ignored.
It says, and i teach, that our sanctification, is JESUS Himself.
He'a also our righteousness and our justification.

Addressed in my post #99, my second response there.

 

[Clare73]

No, im denying your interpretation of a verse that you are misapplying because
the person that taught you, was also in error.
You're just carrying on with their previous error, as a tradition.

Red herring. . .

And you know this, how?
What words am I misinterpreting in 1 John 1:8-10?

Non-responsive.

15 responses to you about this same verse, and you say i'm unresponsive.
So, i say your dishonest..

Now, here is the same thing again, that ive told you over 10 times.

The verse is absolutely not written to the "children".

Non-responsive.

See, John always refers to the born again, as "little children" or similar.
And in your verse that you can't discern, he doesn't.
Also, John does not have sin.
So, for you to even understand what that means in reality, you'd have to go way back to when you were first a believer and be taught correctly about who you are in Christ, and this does not include being a saved sinner who needs to try to prove you are a Christian by confessing, as you said today, which is one of the oddest and incredibly backward ideas about a believer, ive ever heard. person like you, who who sins and confesses, thinks that when you sin, you have "broken your fellowship" with God, as that is what you were taught, which is why you believe itL

You were not taught the Grace of God correctly, or you would KNOW that God is always kept at perfect Peace with all the born again, BY the Blood of Jesus., at all times, no matter what they do.

1. We never have to confess anything, or do anything to try to get back into God's fellowship, because the Blood Atonement, always keeps us as Righteous as God's Righteousness.
   See that?
   Your carnal deed you needed to confess yesterday, has no impact on the Blood Atonement that keeps the born again always "made Righteous".
   
   So, let me show you why you confess your carnality deed that you committed again.
   Its not to be re-saved, or re-forgiven, or any of this.
   As a matter of fact, if you read ROMANS 4:8, and you read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again, then you might consider using that "logic" that you like to talk about in posts that are too long, totally confused, and worse, Clare73.
   Ask yourself...>"Clare73.. If God does not charge my sin to me.....Romans 4:8.. they why am i confessing it".
   
   Yeah, good question, isn't it.
   Where is your logic?
   Is it broken again?
   
   So let me answer that for you, Clare73.
   Its why im here.
   You confess, because you feel GUILTY and you feel CONDEMNED, and you think that your fellowship is broken with God, again.
   So, you tell God all about your sin, again and again and again, each time..... and after a while, you feel BETTER, each time you confess again.
   So, that is why you do it, everytime you do it.
   = To feel better.. Its your little psych game you play within your own mind.
   You sin, you feel guilty, you then confess all your bad deeds, and you get RELIEF in your MIND.
   That is why you do it.
   Now, if you have sin, and are needing to be forgiven, then you are not born again.
   You're a sinner, and on you way to hell. John 3:36
   If that is you, then go to 1 John 1:9, and confess your sin, and God will be faithful to forgive you for them all, and He will give you the new birth, if you will trust in Christ.
   Thats a promise, and you can believe it.

 

[Sidon]

And that very apostle disagrees with you:

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Well, i'll write this again for you, that i wrote for you, days ago, when you were first trying to prove that you keep yourself saved by confessing your sin..


Im a Minister.
Ive taught all over the world.
Paul, Jude, Peter...... they are Ministers, and Apostles.

What we all have in common, is that we are all told to PREACH To the "world".
"go into all the world and PREACH the Gospel".
So, as i told you 2x before.... Clare73.... writing epistles, was not Paul's first JOB.
It was not JOHN's first calling.
They are PREACHERS as Job #1.

This means that many times, in the NT, you find them Preaching, and it is recorded.
They preach to the LOST, so thats a clue for you.
They TEACH Believers, .... so, thats a clue for you.

This means that in some verses, sometimes near each other, you have an apostle preaching and in a few more verses he's teaching.
When he's preaching, he does not talk to the Born again.
When he's teaching, he does not talk to the unbelievers.
The Gospel is for the LOST.
The Doctrine is for the CHURCH.

So, what you learn to do with a bible is "rightly divide" so that you dont become confused about "is he talking to me", or "is he talking to the unbeliever".
Now, it would appear that you've never had that thought or revelation, yet..... so you always think that all NT verses are pointed at You
They're not.

1 John 1:9, is talking about having SIN. HAVING IT.
No born again person, has sin.
Jesus has their sin., all of it.
If you have sin, then you are not born again.
Christ is not in a SINNER.
The Temple of the Holy Spirit, is not full of SIN.
You can't have SIN, and be 'ONE WITH GOD, and CHRIST".
You can't have SIN, and be.. "as Jesus IS, so are the born again, in this world".
Got that yet?
Want me to tell you 5 more time?
Will do.

Listen now..
When Preachers like me talk to a group about SIN, im not talking to them about Church Doctrine, because they are not born again.
When an Apostle is preaching about SIN, he is NOT talking to the "CHURCH".
So, you find this in Hebrews 10 and Acts 28, and 1 John 1:9

Now, here is what is hanging you up.
Its this word " WE ">
You see the apostle say..>"WE" and you think he's taking about himself.
And this is because you are not a preacher, so you dont understand that a preacher speaks to a group, and often says..>"we", but he does not mean Himself, he means THEM.
Thats "preacher speak".

And i showed you this before, tho you say i am "unresponsive".

I told you....already...this..

If i am talking to a room full of people, and some are not saved, and one of them is a Mary Baker Eddy follower.......and as im preaching the CROSS< which is to talk about them having SIN......Mr Mary Baker Edd then stands up and says.....>"i dont have sin".. "there is no such thing as sin"..."sin is an illusion"..."the gnostics proved that sin isn't real and so, why do we need a savior to die for my sin, when sin isn't REAL".

So, i look at this hell bound deceive person, and i say....>"son, listen, if we say we have no sin, then we deceive ourselves".

Now, do you see what i just did?
I said "WE" but i only meant HIM.

John says "WE" but he only means THEM.

See it yet?

 

[Clare73]

The verse is absolutely not written to the "children".
See, John always refers to the born again, as "little children" or similar.
And in your verse that you can't discern, he doesn't.
Also, John does not have sin.

Addressed in my post #128, above.

So, for you to even understand what that means in reality, you'd have to go way back to when you were first a believer and be taught correctly about who you are in Christ, and this does not include being a saved sinner who needs to try to prove you are a Christian by confessing, as you said today, which is one of the oddest and incredibly backward ideas about a believer, ive ever heard.

 

[Clare73]

So are you now able to receive 1 John 1:8-10 as instructions to believers?

Oh i never do that..
That would be insulting to the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus.

Let me tell you what confessing your sin does for God.
A.) Nothing.

From God's mouth to your ear. . .

Ad yet John includes himself with the sinners in his instructions for sinners.

See my post #128, above.

Why? Its because the Blood of Jesus always keeps God at peace with all the Born again, at all times.
So, a person like you, who sins and confesses, thinks that when you sin, you have "broken your fellowship" with God, as that is what you were taught, which is why you believe it.

See, you were not taught the Grace of God correctly, or you would KNOW that God is always kept at perfect Peace with all the born again, BY the Blood of Jesus., at all times, no matter what they do.
We never have to confess anything, or do anything to try to get back into God fellowship, because the Blood Atonement, always keeps us as Righteous as God's Righteousness.
See that?
Your carnal deed you needed to confess yesterday, has no impact on the Blood Atonement that keeps the born again always "made Righteous".

So, let me show you why you confess your carnality deed that you committed again.
Its not to be re-saved, or re-forgiven, or any of this.
As a matter of fact, if you read ROMANS 4:8, and you read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again, then you might consider using that "logic" that you like to talk about.
Ask yourself...>"Clare73.. If God does not charge my sin to me.....Romans 4:8.. they why am i confessing it".

Yeah, good question, isn't it.
Where is your logic?
Is it broken again?

So let me answer that for you, Clare73.
Its why im here.
You confess, because you feel GUILTY and you feel CONDEMNED, and you think that your fellowship is broken with God, again.
So, you tell God all about your sin, again and again and again, each time..... and after a while, you feel BETTER, each time you confess again.
So, that is why you do it, everytime you do it.
= To feel better.. Its your little psych game you play within your own mind.
You sin, you feel guilty, you then confess all your bad deeds, and you get RELIEF in your MIND.
That is why you do it.
That's why all do it who do this...
And God is not even involved, as He already forgave all the sin of the born again, 2000 yrs ago.
He's not going to forgive you again.. He already did this 2000 yrs ago if you are born again, and not just water baptized.

Now, if you have sin, and are needing to be forgiven, then you are not born again.
You're a sinner, and on you way to hell. John 3:36
If that is you, then go to 1 John 1:9, and confess your sin, and God will be faithful to forgive you for them all, and He will give you the new birth, if you will trust in Christ.
Thats a promise, and you can believe it.

 

[Clare73]

You dont speak Koine Greek.

Don't need to, there are tools that, when used togethe, are more certain than a non-Greek speaking Koine Greek.
Not to mention the Greek Biblical scholars who do, and are not in disagreement with the Greek language's definition of daikaioo (justify/justification), their understanding of it coming from the Greek dictionary.

Non-responsive.

Something is amiss.
You even deny the Greek meaning of Greek words.

So, like i was telling another few hundred about this on other sites and in other places over the years, .... here is your problem.
When you dont speak Hebrew or Greek FLUENTLY< and you go to a Lexicon, or in your case, a bible commentary, or similar that is teaching definitions of koine greek, then the definitions you are reading, are given by someone who believes that is what the words mean.
This means that your authority isn't the BIBLE, but its the translator that told you what the greek word means.
There is your source, and that is a FAIL.

See, you can pick up 20 of these Translators of GREEK, and you have 20 different interpreters who give their definitions.
THat's not "Bible" thats, nothing.
So, when you realize that each has a different idea of the greek word... they have all translated them, according to : what some other translator told them, probably.... which means you end up with nothing while trying to sound like an authority..

So, dont use "greek" that you dont read, as this is just pretending to sound like an authority, and in fact, its the worst type of misinformation, as you are getting it from a Translator, and you can't know if the one you are using, isn't a cultist, or worse.
So, leave the greek alone, and let the Bible and a good teacher of the Bible, help you, instead.

 

[Clare73]

Well, i'll write this again for you, that i wrote for you, days ago, when you were first trying to prove that you keep yourself saved by confessing your sin..

Straw man. . .

The apostle John's teaching on sin is addressed in my post #128, above.

Non-responsive.

Something is amiss.

Im a Minister.
Ive taught all over the world.
Paul, Jude, Peter...... they are Ministers, and Apostles.

What we all have in common, is that we are all told to PREACH To the "world".
"go into all the world and PREACH the Gospel".
So, as i told you 2x before.... Clare73.... writing epistles, was not Paul's first JOB.
It was not JOHN's first calling.
They are PREACHERS as Job #1.

This means that many times, in the NT, you find them Preaching, and it is recorded.
They preach to the LOST, so thats a clue for you.
They TEACH Believers, .... so, thats a clue for you.

This means that in some verses, sometimes near each other, you have an apostle preaching and in a few more verses he's teaching.
When he's preaching, he does not talk to the Born again.
When he's teaching, he does not talk to the unbelievers.
The Gospel is for the LOST.
The Doctrine is for the CHURCH.

So, what you learn to do with a bible is "rightly divide" so that you dont become confused about "is he talking to me", or "is he talking to the unbeliever".
Now, it would appear that you've never had that thought or revelation, yet..... so you always think that all NT verses are pointed at You
They're not.

1 John 1:9, is talking about having SIN. HAVING IT.
No born again person, has sin.
Jesus has their sin., all of it.
If you have sin, then you are not born again.
Christ is not in a SINNER.
The Temple of the Holy Spirit, is not full of SIN.
You can't have SIN, and be 'ONE WITH GOD, and CHRIST".
You can't have SIN, and be.. "as Jesus IS, so are the born again, in this world".
Got that yet?
Want me to tell you 5 more time?
Will do.

Listen now..
When Preachers like me talk to a group about SIN, im not talking to them about Church Doctrine, because they are not born again.
When an Apostle is preaching about SIN, he is NOT talking to the "CHURCH".
So, you find this in Hebrews 10 and Acts 28, and 1 John 1:9

Now, here is what is hanging you up.
Its this word " WE ">
You see the apostle say..>"WE" and you think he's taking about himself.
And this is because you are not a preacher, so you dont understand that a preacher speaks to a group, and often says..>"we", but he does not mean Himself, he means THEM.
Thats "preacher speak".

And i showed you this before, tho you say i am "unresponsive".

I told you....already...this..

If i am talking to a room full of people, and some are not saved, and one of them is a Mary Baker Eddy follower.......and as im preaching the CROSS< which is to talk about them having SIN......Mr Mary Baker Edd then stands up and says.....>"i dont have sin".. "there is no such thing as sin"..."sin is an illusion"..."the gnostics proved that sin isn't real and so, why do we need a savior to die for my sin, when sin isn't REAL".

So, i look at this hell bound deceive person, and i say....>"son, listen, if we say we have no sin, then we deceive ourselves".

Now, do you see what i just did?
I said "WE" but i only meant HIM.

John says "WE" but he only means THEM.

See it yet?

 

[Sidon]

You've overlooked that John included himself, in the sinning of believers (1 John 1:8-10).

See post #128, above.

You're disappointing me, Pescador, I had you for more square than that.

I didnt overlook it.
I explained it to you at least 5 times.
You can't hear, because your hearing is "unresponsive".