Do you have a "renewed mind".?

[Sidon]

Your issue is with the Greek dictionary, not me.

So your personal "revelation" trumps Scripture because Scripture is in Greek, w

Greek texts are used to make Holy Bibles.
So, if you are a person who can't understand this, then that explains why you pretend to be an authority on Greek texts, based on the fact that you can't read Greek, and blindly follow Translators, instead.

Bad idea.
Never do that.

 

[Clare73]

Your issue is with the Greek dictionary, not me.

So your personal "revelation" trumps Scripture because Scripture is in Greek, which fact supposedly nullifies the following Pauline Scriptures, which have no place in your teaching.

Greek texts are used to make Holy Bibles.
So, if you are a person who can't understand this, then that explains why you pretend to be an authority on Greek texts, based on the fact that you can't read Greek, and
blindly follow Translators, instead.

Bad idea.
Never do that.

So your personal "revelation" does trump Scripture because Scripture is in Greek, which fact
supposedly nullifies those Pauline Scriptures, which have no place in your teaching.

Now if you can just convince everyone that the translation of Greek by today's
Biblical scholars of Koine Greek, from which I take my translation of Greek, is in error, you can be the sole authority for the meaning of Scripture and declare the Pauline teaching previously presented to you to be in error.

Your "intellectual honesty" still does not allow you to address each text, Biblically demonstrating its "mistranslation" from the Greek, preferring rather to use the fig leaf of "mistranslation of Greek" as the refuge for your contra-Biblical "teaching."
Physician, heal thyself.

Something is terribly amiss (translate: something is terribly rotten in Denmark).

Non-responsive. . .
fails to show the Greek alleged "mistranslation" of the Pauline Scriptures presented.

 

[Sidon]

So your personal "revelation" does trump Scripture because Scripture is in Greek,

No.
Greek texts are in Greek.
"extant" Greek texts, are in "greek" and in "latin".
You forgot that one.
See your local Catholic POPE for an update on where HIS Bible came from.
It didnt come from the Greek Text's, Clare73.

So, the English BIBLE that Protestant's use, is created from greek texts that came from Non-Greek Letters, written by HEBREW SPEAKING Apostles.

Do the math.
Let go of the false.
You can do it.

 

[Clare73]

No.
Greek texts are in Greek.
"extant" Greek texts, are in "greek" and in "latin".
You forgot that one.
See your local Catholic POPE for an update on where HIS Bible came from.
It didnt come from the Greek Text's, Clare73.

So, the English BIBLE that Protestant's use, is created from greek texts that came from Non-Greek Letters, written by HEBREW SPEAKING Apostles.

Do the math.
Let go of the false.
You can do it.

And you know the Scriptures were not written in Greek, how?

 

[Sidon]

And you know the Scriptures were not written in Greek, how?

Ive not said the accepted extant Greek manuscripts are not the apostle's letters translated into the Greek.
What ive said is that you pretending to be a greek authority, is false, based on the fact that you can't read or speak "Greek".
You can quote that.

 

[Clare73]

You wrote...

Sorry but, Jesus spoke Aramaic.
Remember that Jesus is a HEBREW, and that is a Language.
Been to Israel?
Noone speaks Greek there.
They speak "hebrew".
Now you're changing the subject. Why?

Are you familiar with perhaps the most famous verse in the New Testament, John 3:16?
"For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

God sent His Son for everyone.

That's not what it says. . .there's a qualifier. . .everyone who believes. . .
and not everyone believes and qualifies. . .God sent his Son so that those who qualify will not perish.

Matthew 15:21-28, "After going out from there, Jesus went to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that area came and cried out, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is horribly demon-possessed!” But he did not answer her a word. Then his disciples came and begged him, “Send her away, because she keeps on crying out after us.” So he answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and bowed down before him and said, “Lord, help me!” “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs,” he said. “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered her, “Woman, your faith is great! Let what you want be done for you.” And her daughter was healed from that hour."

When read in context it clearly shows that His saying “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” was a teaching moment for the woman (and for us in the Gospel). Otherwise He is going back on His own statement by His healing her (and Jesus doesn't lie).

Thank you for correcting your earlier statement by writing "He dealt with different dialects, and because He Is God, He certainly could speak them."

What does your non sequitor of "Paul was the person who dealt with a lot of Greeks" supposed to mean? We're discussing Jesus behavior.

 

[Clare73]

And you know the Scriptures were not written in Greek, how?

Ive not said the accepted extant Greek manuscripts
are not the apostle's letters translated into the Greek.

Double negative. . .equals:
"I've...said the accepted extant Greek manuscripts are...the apostle's letters translated into the Greek."

Something is amiss.

Non-responsive. . .
fails to show the Greek alleged "mistranslation" of the Pauline Scriptures presented.

 

[Sidon]

That's not what it says. . .there's a qualifier. . .everyone who believes. . .
and not everyone believes and qualifies. . .God sent his Son so that those who qualify will not perish.

People do not "quality" to be saved.
People BELIEVE, and God accepts their faith In Jesus to Make them Righteous.
"faith is counted as Righteousness"
"as many as believe in Jesus, He gives to them Eternal Life, and they shall never perish".
"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

 

[Sidon]

Non-responsive. . .
fails to show the Greek alleged "mistranslation" of the Pauline Scriptures presented.

I can't respond to your latest lie, except to point out that you are lying again.
Ive never said the "greek" are a mistranslation of "Paul's scriptures presented".
So, you lied.
Want to try another one?
Help yourself.

 

[Clare73]

I can't respond to your latest lie, except to point out that you are lying again.
Ive never said the "greek" are a mistranslation of "Paul's scriptures presented".
So, you lied.

You said:

"when you realize that each translator has a different idea of the greek word...
they have all translated them, according to : what some other translator told them, probably....
which means you end up with nothing"

And I say: you know each translator has a different idea of the Greek word, how?

Want to try another one?
Help yourself.

The one who thinks the Greek of 1 John shows the letter is to unbelievers,
and who thinks the Greek of Hebrews shows the letter to be to unbelievers
proposes to tell others:

"do not set the Greek above the word of God,
your Greek translator is your final authority. . ."

"you blindly follow translators. . ."

"the apostles letters were hundreds of years later translated into Greek manuscripts, or Latin. . ."

Not to mention your denial of the Greek language definition (declaration of "not guilty") of the Greek word daikaioo (justify/justification) from the Greek dictionary, which definition Greek Biblical scholars use, just as I do.

"you do not understand Greek.
So, you trust a translator as your final authority.
That's a fail."

"Discipleship is not your holiness." (post #116)
Denial of the meaning of Hebrews 12:14 on holiness (post #104).

Something is amiss (translate: something is rotten in Denmark).

 

[Clare73]

People do not "quality" to be saved.
People BELIEVE, and God accepts their faith In Jesus to Make them Righteous.
"faith is counted as Righteousness"
"as many as believe in Jesus, He gives to them Eternal Life, and they shall never perish".
"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

Qualifier is a grammatical term here, referring to the grammatical construction of a sentence where a noun has a qualifier.

 

[Sidon]

And I say: you know each translator has a different idea of the Greek word, how?

Did you really just ask me, how it can be, that each individual person, who is paid to translate a greek text, is the same 300 people who all did it also?

I really can't understand what you can't figure out here.

Let me try it like this.

Take, 8 Greek Translators.
Put each one, in a Different Country.

Give them the same greek to translate, that they have never seen before.

When all 8 are finished, collect the translations, and compare them.

Why are they not all the same?

Still dont understand what you are doing WRONG, when you use as your authority a translator?

All 8 of them, just translated it differently, so which one is RIGHT?

See it yet?

So, that is what happens when you trust a Greek Translator as your final authority.

 

[zoidar]

I like to point out something about using a Greek dictionary. Of course a dictionary can be useful, but to fully understand how Greek is used we need more than a dictionary. This is a quote from Chrys Caragounis, a native Greek speaking professor. Link to his homepage below. I think this is a good reminder to us all:

"Greek is usually regarded as a dead language, which the scholar can treat as he/she pleases on his/her procrustian bed. This only reveals that
this sort of exegesis comes from persons who have no living contact with Greek, although on the surface they do quote Greek words, giving the impression that they are experts in Greek. But to quote a few Greek words and to know first hand how the language functions, are two quite different things."

chrys-caragounis.com

 

[Sidon]

I like to point out something about using a Greek dictionary. Of course a dictionary can be useful, but to fully understand how Greek is used we need more than a dictionary.

If you can't fluently speak the language, then you can't actually read it.
This means you have to believe what the translator says the words mean.
This is a fail.
Because you can't know for certain that the Translator is not of a cult or similar.

Let me show you.
Lets say the Greek Translator, is Catholic.
So, he is going to translate the Greek so that it matches Catholic Thology.
If the Translator is a Mormon, he will translate it, so that its slanted to teach Mormonism.

This is the issue with "new bibles".
They are translated to teach and reflect the theology of the translator's denomination.

See that?
That's how the devil works.
He's very clever.

 

[zoidar]

If you can't fluently speak the language, then you can't actually read it.
This means you have to believe what the translator says the words mean.
This is a fail.
Because you can't know for certain that the Translator is not of a cult or similar.

Let me show you.
Lets say the Greek Translator, is Catholic.
So, he is going to translate the Greek so that it matches Catholic Thology.
If the Translator is a Mormon, he will translate it, so that its slanted to teach Mormonism.

This is the issue with "new bibles".
They are translated to teach and reflect the theology of the translator's denomination.

See that?
That's how the devil works.
He's very clever.

What do you suggest we do then, we who aren't fluent in Greek?

 

[Sidon]

What do you suggest we do then, we who aren't fluent in Greek?

Well, to start.....

Read the Holy Bible., only the New Testament, Proverbs, and Psalms, for a year.

Learn why Titus 2:11,14 are the same thing.

Learn why Titus 3:5,7 are the same as John 3:16

Learn why God does not charge sin to the born again. Romans 4:8


And for that next year, only read the Pauline Epistles.
Start with this... Romans 3:21-28


Then read Ephesians, then Colossians, then Galatians, then Romans.
Then go to Titus and Timothy.
Just stay in the Pauline Letters for a year.
There is plenty to read and study, no worries.

If im still here, and you get stuck or want to SEE a verse that is not connecting with your theology, then post to me a question, or PM me.
Im happy to reply and be of service.

Stay in the Pauline Epistles, until your heart is grounded in this verse. :

Hebrews 13:9.


Listen,
The bible is a Locked LIGHT.
You have to be born again to be able to receive the Spiritual, and the words in the bible are more then just the sentences. They are to be discerned by your inner man. And this happens because Jesus reveals the word so that the "eyes of your understanding" become enlightened.
That is how you "Receive light", which is to be given a revelation.
The Bible will not reveal itself until you use the KEY....
The Key is to become grounded in GRACE.
To become this, you have to understand the BLood Atonement so that you never again believe....

1. You have to work to stay saved
2. You can lose your salvation.

See, when a believer fully understands How God reconciles you to Himself, which is to fully comprehend the BLood Atonement, then the believer will never again be concerned with anything that is failed discipleship
That is #1 and #2.

Paul tells us in Hebrews to grow up. And he explains this as leaving the first principals, or the diaper stage Christianity, that is the "sinning and confessing" from "dead works".

Paul said.>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".
Paul is the perfect example for all believers, regarding how to "work out your salvation".

 

[zoidar]

Well, to start.....

Read the Holy Bible., only the New Testament, Proverbs, and Psalms, for a year.

Learn why Titus 2:11,14 are the same thing.

Learn why Titus 3:5,7 are the same as John 3:16

Learn why God does not charge sin to the born again. Romans 4:8


And for that next year, only read the Pauline Epistles.
Start with this... Romans 3:21-28


Then read Ephesians, then Colossians, then Galatians, then Romans.
Then go to Titus and Timothy.
Just stay in the Pauline Letters for a year.
There is plenty to read and study, no worries.

If im still here, and you get stuck or want to SEE a verse that is not connecting with your theology, then post to me a question, or PM me.
Im happy to reply and be of service.

Stay in the Pauline Epistles, until your heart is grounded in this verse. :

Hebrews 13:9.


Listen,
The bible is a Locked LIGHT.
You have to be born again to be able to receive the Spiritual, and the words in the bible are more then just the sentences. They are to be discerned by your inner man. And this happens because Jesus reveals the word so that the "eyes of your understanding" become enlightened.
That is how you "Receive light", which is to be given a revelation.
The Bible will not reveal itself until you use the KEY....
The Key is to become grounded in GRACE.
To become this, you have to understand the BLood Atonement so that you never again believe....

1. You have to work to stay saved
2. You can lose your salvation.

See, when a believer fully understands How God reconciles you to Himself, which is to fully comprehend the BLood Atonement, then the believer will never again be concerned with anything that is failed discipleship
That is #1 and #2.

Paul tells us in Hebrews to grow up. And he explains this as leaving the first principals, or the diaper stage Christianity, that is the "sinning and confessing" from "dead works".

Paul said.>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".
Paul is the perfect example for all believers, regarding how to "work out your salvation".

I was born again 2010, since then my understanding of the Bible has changed quite a bit. You seem very certain of your understanding of the Bible. Are you fluent in Greek?

 

[Sidon]

I was born again 2010, since then my understanding of the Bible has changed quite a bit. You seem very certain of your understanding of the Bible. Are you fluent in Greek?

I dont speak Greek or Hebrew.
I am Seminary Trained, and that includes manuscript evidence studies.

I have a place to live in the USA and in Israel.
I live in both places., tho not at the same time....as that would be quite a stretch.

The reason i know what i teach is true, is because i only teach Pauline Theology.
Paul got it straight from Jesus, and i got it straight from Paul.
All real God provided and God anointed teachers, are God called, and they all teach Pauline Theology.

My Influences, teachers, include:

PAUL most of all regarding Doctrine... and the New Testament, by way of the Spirit of God.
As far as earthly teachers...

James Kennedy
Adrian Rogers
Lloyd Ogilvie
David Jeremiah

Zoidar...let me show you how you know if you can trust a teacher.
How to find out if the devil sent them, or if God provided them..

= Listen to them talk/teach about SALVATION.

Notice if they talk about The CROSS The CROSS The CROSS, and the BLOOD THE BLOOD. THE BLOOD OF JESUS..

OR, if they endlessly rant about law law law law law keeping , works, works, works, works, commandments, commandments, commandment keeping

Just discern between the 2, and you can protect yourself from a deceiver, found on a forum or in a pulpit.