Charles Darwin & Genesis 3:5

[AV1611VET]

Thanks to science we know that witches don't exist!

But why they don't exist today is beyond science to explain.

But not the Bible.

We know from the Bible that one of the jobs of the Holy Spirit in this dispensation is to keep demonic activity in check.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

So there are no more witches, as science attests.

But back in more benighted times when people of faith actually believed in witches why would they think the Bible was wrong?

Back in Old Testament times, it didn't matter if they believed in witches or not.

Witches believed in them.

Just because someone didn't believe in them doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Their existence didn't depend on who believed in them or not.

 

[Oneiric1975]

But why they don't exist today is beyond science to explain.

But not the Bible.

We know from the Bible that one of the jobs of the Holy Spirit in this dispensation is to keep demonic activity in check.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

So may I ask how many people in the 17th century interpreted that particular quote to be an indicator that 17th century witches were NOT real but the Witch of Endor WAS real? And how do you KNOW this?

I'm curious because it seems you are making some suggestion that the Bible is crystal clear on this point yet clearly THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of honest believers in Medieval Europe up through 17th Century America believed that witches were real.

How could SO MANY HONEST CHRISTIANS be so wrong, yet you see the truth? Shouldn't God have sent you to Medieval Europe to help clarify things before they murdered scores of innocent women?

 

[Frank Robert]

I am re-reading the Book of Genesis, and I just finished the part where Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed.

It's very clear th

at the text is condemning their practice of homosexuality, and yet we are taught by public schools and mainstream media today that homosexuality is perfectly okay. The story is about intended rape of the angels. Do angels have a sex or are they androgynous?

Why is this? Does this have anything to do with Charles Darwin, and how he created widespread doubt that God created male and female, as two distinct genders, for heterosexual relations alone?

It appears that you have an over active imagination.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay ... that's fair.

But let me ask you this:

Why is the Bible so clear-cut, but evolutionary theory isn't?

For example, a child can take the Bible and show someone that the witch trials were wrong; but even a scientist had to learn that eugenics leads to inbreeding depression.

I see that you have not studied the Bible very well. A child can also justify the witch trials with the Bible. The Bible is anything but clear. Almost any topic can be argued from both sides using and abusing the Bible.

Do you really need the verses where witches are condemned in the Bible quoted to you?

 

[Estrid]

So may I ask how many people in the 17th century interpreted that particular quote to be an indicator that 17th century witches were NOT real but the Witch of Endor WAS real? And how do you KNOW this?

I'm curious because it seems you are making some suggestion that the Bible is crystal clear on this point yet clearly THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of honest believers in Medieval Europe up through 17th Century America believed that witches were real.

How could SO MANY HONEST CHRISTIANS be so wrong, yet you see the truth? Shouldn't God have sent you to Medieval Europe to help clarify things before they murdered scores of innocent women?

If someone did go back to Medieval Europe they'd
likely enough be taken for a witch before they even had a
chance to prove it by denying there are witches, and,
of course, by confessing it loudly while their feet were being
burned.

 

[Estrid]

I see that you have not studied the Bible very well. A child can also justify the witch trials with the Bible. The Bible is anything but clear. Almost any topic can be argued from both sides using and abusing the Bible.

Do you really need the verses where witches are condemned in the Bible quoted to you?

The popularity of the Bible can be partly explained by how
anyone can find it to say whatever they like.

 

[AV1611VET]

So may I ask how many people in the 17th century interpreted that particular quote to be an indicator that 17th century witches were NOT real but the Witch of Endor WAS real? And how do you KNOW this?

QV please:

Throughout the medieval era, mainstream Christian doctrine had denied the existence of witches and witchcraft, condemning it as pagan superstition. Some have argued that the work of the Dominican Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century helped lay the groundwork for a shift in Christian doctrine, by which certain Christian theologians eventually began to accept the possibility of collaboration with devil(s), resulting in a person obtaining certain real supernatural powers.

SOURCE

 

[Oneiric1975]

QV please:

SOURCE

Pinpoint the EXACT time (with supporting documentation) that "real" witches ceased to exist.

Thanks

 

[AV1611VET]

Pinpoint the EXACT time (with supporting documentation) that "real" witches ceased to exist.

Thanks

0900 on 25 May 33

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

 

[Oneiric1975]

25 May 33

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

That says nothing about witches.

It could literally mean anything.

There is no "clarity" that a child could figure that Acts 2:1 meant "there are no more magical witch monsters!" That just ISN'T the case.

Here's what it feels like to me: you (or someone) made up this idea that witches ceased to exist at some point in time so you could salvage Christianity which had taken Exodus 22:18 at its word and done some pretty horrible things. Your hypothesis is that these things were done in spite of the Bible, when in fact they are done in accordance with the Bible. In your imagination there was a time when Exodus was written that real witches roamed the earth but you also know that countless innocent women were tortured to death for the charge of witchcraft. And that goes counter to your faith (as it should).

I totally understand that desire. Exodus 22:18 is really bad because it operates on this assumption that there are people who CAN be murdered but we all know those people don't actually exist except in the imagination.

So you desperately paw through the Bible to come up with imaginary exegeses for open-ended comments to justify your position.

At some point this really is just making stuff up about the Bible in hopes of avoiding what the Bible actually says quite clearly.

If it was, as you claim, so simple a child could figure it out, then the Bible would as clearly state that there are no more witches. It CLEARLY states that one should not suffer a witch to live. No if's ands or buts. But it does NOT in any way clearly state "Witches no longer exist so Exodus 22:18 is no longer in effect".

 

[Oneiric1975]

I am re-reading the Book of Genesis, and I just finished the part where Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed.

It's very clear that the text is condemning their practice of homosexuality, and yet we are taught by public schools and mainstream media today that homosexuality is perfectly okay.

Why is this? Does this have anything to do with Charles Darwin, and how he created widespread doubt that God created male and female, as two distinct genders, for heterosexual relations alone?

Nothing to do with Darwin. Maybe humans just got tired of all the hatred and murdering and mercilessly beating gay people and realized that centuries of hate, murder and beatings hadn't stopped gayness from happening. Maybe people got to the point that they realized what someone else does with another consenting adult that doesn't hurt anyone else isn't their business.

Now OBVIOUSLY there are still people who like to keep alive the hatred so there are still some who haven't seen enough pain inflicted on others, but by and large our society is getting fed up with hurting other innocent people needlessly.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

This short video corrects the erroneous interpretation that the sin of Sodom was merely inhospitality:

I don't hate gay people and I don't consider their sins worse than mine. The difference is that I admit that I'm a sinner and seek to repent of my sins, while LGBT people today are proud of their sin, and seek to indoctrinate our children to their agenda.

The widespread acceptance of homosexuality and transgenderism in Western society today is directly traceable to Charles Darwin. If God didn't create male and female as two distinct genders, and heterosexuality as the only valid form of sexual relations, then the LGBT movement can't possibly be promoting sin.

If you think that the LGBT movement isn't causing harm to society, look at what's happening today, with young people encouraged to gender transition, causing irreparable harm to their bodies, before their prefrontal cortex is fully developed to make such life-altering decisions.

There are many societal evils resulting from Charles Darwin's rejection of God, the LGBT movement being only one of them:
What Darwin has done to the world...

If Darwin didn't repent on his deathbed, is he in hell right now?

 

[sjastro]

Pinpoint the EXACT time (with supporting documentation) that "real" witches ceased to exist.

Thanks

1972 the year when Bewitched was cancelled.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The widespread acceptance of homosexuality and transgenderism in Western society today is directly traceable to Charles Darwin.

Show us then. Show us the actual evidence for this claim that the theory of evolution supports homosexuality and transgenderism.

I doubt you can.

 

[sjastro]

Show us then. Show us the actual evidence for this claim that the theory of evolution supports homosexuality and transgenderism.

I doubt you can.

He can't because anti-intellectualism is the motivating factor.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's what it feels like to me: you (or someone) made up this idea that witches ceased to exist at some point in time so you could salvage Christianity which had taken Exodus 22:18 at its word and done some pretty horrible things.

Translation: "I never heard that before, so to keep a light bulb from coming on, I'll just accuse you (or someone) of making it up."

Here, accuse this guy (Chuck Smith):

What is the delay? What is holding back these powers and forces of darkness that are wanting to take over the full control of the earth? Here we have the work of the Holy Spirit in the world, restraining these powers of darkness and hindering them from inaugurating their final man of power.

SOURCE

 

[Oneiric1975]

Translation: "I never heard that before, so to keep a light bulb from coming on, I'll just accuse you (or someone) of making it up."

how does your quote provide evidence against my impression?

Where in the Bible does it say witches no longer exist?

The quote from Acts said literally nothing about witches anymore than it said unicorns were now real

 

[AV1611VET]

how does your quote provide evidence against my impression?

Where in the Bible does it say witches no longer exist?

The quote from Acts said literally nothing about witches anymore than it said unicorns were now real

Get an education.

I'm going to try this one more time in more detail.

If I don't see a light bulb come on, we're done.

1. God created the earth.
2. He turned dominion of it over to Adam.
3. Adam gave it to Satan.
4. Satan offered it to Jesus.
5. Jesus declined (He will take it back by force in the Millennial Kingdom).
6. Jesus was crucified.
7. He told His disciples that, 10 days after He leaves, the Holy Ghost will take His place.
8. This occurred 0900 on 25 May 33, when the Holy Ghost came (see ontological subordination).
9. The Holy Ghost will leave at the Rapture, but one of his jobs is to keep demonic activity -- that's a general term that includes witches -- in check.

When He goes up in the Rapture, all aitch is going to break loose on the earth, with demonic activity spiking unchecked for a brief period of time.

To accuse someone of being a witch in this dispensation, is to say the Holy Ghost isn't doing His job.

Now, let's see a light bulb come on, or I'm finished with this third degree.

 

[Ophiolite]

Get an education.

I'm going to try this one more time in more detail.

If I don't see a light bulb come on, we're done.

1. God created the earth.
2. He turned dominion of it over to Adam.
3. Adam gave it to Satan.
4. Satan offered it to Jesus.
5. Jesus declined (He will take it back by force in the Millennial Kingdom).
6. Jesus was crucified.
7. He told His disciples that, 10 days after He leaves, the Holy Ghost will take His place.
8. This occurred 0900 on 25 May 33, when the Holy Ghost came (see ontological subordination).
9. The Holy Ghost will leave at the Rapture, but one of his jobs is to keep demonic activity -- that's a general term that includes witches -- in check.

When He goes up in the Rapture, all aitch is going to break loose on the earth, with demonic activity spiking unchecked for a brief period of time.

To accuse someone of being a witch in this dispensation, is to say the Holy Ghost isn't doing His job.

Now, let's see a light bulb come on, or I'm finished with this third degree.

When I read the logic laid out like that I recalled how relieved I am that I turned away from Christianity decades ago. I have retained the appealing ethical aspects of Christ's teaching, best captured in the Sermon on the Mount and certain of the parables, but my view of the rest cannot be described here.

 

[Oneiric1975]

The widespread acceptance of homosexuality and transgenderism in Western society today is directly traceable to Charles Darwin

No it cannot.

. If God didn't create male and female as two distinct genders,

That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with evolutionary theory. Gender is not part of evolution.

and heterosexuality as the only valid form of sexual relations, then the LGBT movement can't possibly be promoting sin.

Do you know so little about biology that you don't even know there are asexual reproducers in nature?

There are many societal evils resulting from Charles Darwin's rejection of God, the LGBT movement being only one of them:

If Darwin didn't repent on his deathbed, is he in hell right now?

...if Darwin isn't in hell will several generations of Christians be sad to find that out? (WHAT IS IT about fantasizing about people being in hell that gets some people of faith all woojy?)