What did it all started with?

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I also have full-blown arguments with my TV sometimes, mainly pastors and preachers that I sometimes watch or listen to sometimes, etc...

If I disagree with something, I will out loud and verbally "say something", or say something back, and it's like it is live and they heard me, and they get very much "pretty upset" sometimes, etc, and sometimes, so do I, etc, to the point that, if we were in person, I think it might come down to blows, etc, and we have a "verbal exchange" back and forth, etc...

But, it's prerecorded, some of them from many years ago, so just how exactly is this happening, etc...?

Anyway, Like I said, the whole coincidences thing we are talking about, is just the tip of the iceberg, etc...

And besides the verbal, etc, it also seems like our thoughts are connected sometimes, like they are reading my mind, etc, and I am sometimes tapped into theirs sometimes, and what I am simply just thinking at the time, will be reflected on the outside of me somehow, sometimes, etc...

It will happen or be said, what I am thinking sometimes, etc...

Sometimes "a lot of the time", sometimes, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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I guess it's not something you'd fully understand unless it was actually happening to or with you personally, etc...

I'm not looking for these things, they just happen, etc...

If it were just a few, I might be able to say "OK, no big deal", but it's not a lot of the time, sometimes it's 50+ or 50 or more a day, and one after the other, after the other, etc...

Seems like a little more than just mere coincidence, etc...

And when just what your simply just thinking to yourself in your mind is being broadcast, and being said and/or is happening all around you sometimes...?

And then, when there is a "message" in it sometimes as well, like it's happening to say or communicate something back to you as well, etc...

Anyway, it can a little unnerving sometimes, at times, to say the least, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Oh and don't worry too much about me, etc, around ten years ago, when this all started, I went in and got professional help, etc, and got diagnosed as Schizo-effective, etc, and things are much better now, etc, and they are actually very impressed and surprised in my ability to stay stable and articulate just what is going with me so very well, etc, and I actually not only told them all about it, but wrote it all down for them to put in my file, to have and keep on file, etc...

But, I've been on medication to help keep me and my mind stable for a while now, etc, and I see a mental health counselor/therapist once a month, etc, and I'm doing actually quite well and OK and just fine now, etc...

Just thought I'd add that in case any of you were "concerned", etc...

But I do appreciate the concern though, but I'm doing actually quite well and fine, etc...

Life is good...

God Bless!
 
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Oh and don't worry too much about me, etc, around ten years ago, when this all started, I went in and got professional help, etc, and got diagnosed as Schizo-effective, etc, and things are much better now, etc, and they are actually very impressed and surprised in my ability to stay stable and articulate just what is going with me so very well, etc, and I actually not only told them all about it, but wrote it all down for them to put in my file, to have and keep on file, etc...

But, I've been on medication to help keep me and my mind stable for a while now, etc, and I see a mental health counselor/therapist once a month, etc, and I'm doing actually quite well and OK and just fine now, etc...

Just thought I'd add that in case any of you were "concerned", etc...

But I do appreciate the concern though, but I'm doing actually quite well and fine, etc...

Life is good...

God Bless!
So if it makes you feel better to write off my ramblings of that of a mad-man, then you can OK, if it makes you feel better, etc...

Anyway, I'm going to describe just a simple trip to the grocery store for me as one of my examples, etc, what is supposed to be just a regular normal experience for someone, OK...

I'll go into to the grocery store and start shopping, etc, and I'll start off in say, the fruit and veggies department, and will be thinking about about picking up some vegetables for Chinese Stir Fry, etc, and right about then, and right around me, someone will start talking with some other people about going out for Chinese food tonight, etc, then I'll go to the next isle, etc, and maybe start thinking about some things I need to pick up or get, like, oh, I need to make sure I get some cat food tonight, etc, and right then, some people around me will start talking about their cats together, etc, and then I go down another isle, and be thinking about picking up some things to make Spaghetti, and right then, a woman with her screaming kids will be going down the isle with me, and be saying to here kids, "No, were having Spaghetti tonight", etc, and then I'll maybe think about having to pick up some cleaning supplies, and right after I'll overhear a woman talking to someone about having to do cleaning all weekend, etc, and then I'll go to another section, etc, and be thinking about something that maybe me and my friend might have and barbecue, etc, and right then, a group of people right around will be talking with one another about having a barbecue together sometime, etc, and then...? Well, maybe you get my point by now, etc, nothing is hardly ever a "normal" experience for me anymore, not even going to the grocery store, etc...

I put headphones in and listen to music when I go out sometimes, a lot of the time, etc, just so I don't have to deal with it, etc...

God Bless!
 
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So if it makes you feel better to write off my ramblings of that of a mad-man, then you can OK, if it makes you feel better, etc...

Anyway, I'm going to describe just a simple trip to the grocery store for me as one of my examples, etc, what is supposed to be just a regular normal experience for someone, OK...

I'll go into to the grocery store and start shopping, etc, and I'll start off in say, the fruit and veggies department, and will be thinking about about picking up some vegetables for Chinese Stir Fry, etc, and right about then, and right around me, someone will start talking with some other people about going out for Chinese food tonight, etc, then I'll go to the next isle, etc, and maybe start thinking about some things I need to pick up or get, like, oh, I need to make sure I get some cat food tonight, etc, and right then, some people around me will start talking about their cats together, etc, and then I go down another isle, and be thinking about picking up some things to make Spaghetti, and right then, a woman with her screaming kids will be going down the isle with me, and be saying to here kids, "No, were having Spaghetti tonight", etc, and then I'll maybe think about having to pick up some cleaning supplies, and right after I'll overhear a woman talking to someone about having to do cleaning all weekend, etc, and then I'll go to another section, etc, and be thinking about something that maybe me and my friend might have and barbecue, etc, and right then, a group of people right around will be talking with one another about having a barbecue together sometime, etc, and then...? Well, maybe you get my point by now, etc, nothing is hardly ever a "normal" experience for me anymore, not even going to the grocery store, etc...

I put headphones in and listen to music when I go out sometimes, a lot of the time, etc, just so I don't have to deal with it, etc...

God Bless!
And what's extra disturbing is when it will start happening with the children around me, etc, whet they start voicing right then, just what I was saying or was just thinking a second ago right in that moment of saying and/or thinking it, etc...

That really gets to me, etc...

I have wondered at times if they were maybe "possessed" by "something" somehow maybe, etc...

Anyway, like I said headphones and music are a godsend, etc...

One of my main coping tools, etc...

I don't have to deal with or be exposed to any of it when I have those in, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Oh, and, other "crazy people", etc, as I just heard one right outside my window just now, etc, and we have a lot of them around here where I live, etc, anyway, but it will seem like there is a connection there between me and them sometimes as well, etc, they'll be talking to themselves or the air, etc, but it will seem like they are talking right directly to me, etc, or will be voicing or saying, just what I was saying or thinking just a second ago, etc, there is that as well, etc...

And I'll think they could be "possessed" by "something" as well maybe, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Oh, and this happened yesterday as well, my friend that was here, was tired after working and after eating, so he passed out on my bed (which is my living room as I live in a studio apartment, etc) and I sat down in the chair and decided to put a sermon on, and it was about being a "climber or a caver", and my friend was asleep on the bed the entire time, etc, but when the pastor got done with her saying what each one was, etc, had gone through her list, etc, my friend woke up for a second, and got up a little bit and looked at me right in the eyes, and said "so, are you a climber or a caver?" and then fell right back asleep, etc, as if I was supposed to be aware of it, but he was not meant to, etc, and I know it was a direct question to me, etc...

And this has happened lots of times with me also, people would be asleep when I was awake, and they would be talking in their sleep, or get up for a second and ask or say something to me, then fall right back asleep, etc, and I know it was meant for me, but not necessarily for them to remember or be aware of afterwards, etc...

And it would always be about something I was engaged in and/or thinking about/doing at the time, etc...

Anyway, there's that as well, etc...

God Bless!
 
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If you find any of these thoughts intrusive, disturbing, or they make you anxious, seek help from a mental health professional.
I have some on standby that I can get a hold of at any time, but, thanks @FrumiousBandersnatch

It depends on what kind of day it is as to how they will affect me, etc, but sometimes they are just starting to be, at least now or more recently anyway, just flat out annoying, and frustrating, and irritating to me most of the time now, etc...

I'm like "What!!!", "What do you want from me!!!", etc...?

And I told them already that we really need a different method or way of communicating, and I mean "really", etc, because "this way", just "isn't working", etc...

Anyway, thanks for the concern though, really...

God Bless!
 
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I have some on standby that I can get a hold of at any time, but, thanks @FrumiousBandersnatch

It depends on what kind of day it is as to how they will affect me, etc, but sometimes they are just starting to be, at least now or more recently anyway, just flat out annoying, and frustrating, and irritating to me most of the time now, etc...

I'm like "What!!!", "What do you want from me!!!", etc...?

And I told them already that we really need a different method or way of communicating, and I mean "really", etc, because "this way", just "isn't working", etc...

Anyway, thanks for the concern though, really...

God Bless!
Finding those thoughts annoying, frustrating, and irritating most of the time, meets the criteria for being disturbing. Please talk to your standby.
 
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Finding those thoughts annoying, frustrating, and irritating most of the time, meets the criteria for being disturbing. Please talk to your standby.
Well, it's better than "the other", trust me, or better than they used to be, etc...

I have a counseling appointment soon, and I'm very sure we will talk about some more then, etc...

Appreciate the concern though, really, thanks...

God Bless!
 
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The lesson is don't let politics interfere with personal faith. The catholic church was the dominant political force. We all believe in something, the problems always start when faith is denied & 'undeniable truth' is declared, which 'justifies' forcing the belief on the masses- e,g, atheism in the case of USSR , North Korea, communist China etc

Galileo's case is a little more nuanced.. it's actually something I've read a lot about the old fashioned way- (books!) He was initially given great support for his ideas, until a new Pope was put in place. By this time Galileo had grown accustomed to using the Vatican's printing press as his own publishing outlet. The new Pope made a not unreasonable request- that he add a disclaimer to the effect 'These views do not necessarily reflect those of the Catholic church' Galileo repeatedly flew in the face of this, directly attacking the church's position with their own printing- so as much a legal/copyright dispute as religious persecution

Can you cite specific sources in support of this account, because it is not quite my understanding of the Galileo affair. According to Dan Hofstadter's book The Earth Moves: Galileo and the Roman Inquisition (p. 119), 'on February 24 1616, alarmed by the spread of writings sympathetic to the idea of the earth's motion, the Inquisition issued a decree condemning Copernicanism as "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical" because it contradicted Holy Scripture. On March 3 of the same year, the Congregation of the Index' formally condemned three such heliocentric works.

Two days after the Inquisition's decree, on February 26, Galileo was summoned 'to the residence of Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, the head of the Inquisition and the greatest Roman Catholic theologian of the period, to receive a special injunction. ... Bellarmine warned [Galileo] to completely abandon his Copernicanism, and "henceforth not to hold, teach or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing; otherwise the Holy Office would start proceedings against him. The same Galileo acquiesced in the injunction and promised to obey."'

This does not sound to me as if Galileo was 'given great support for his ideas'. If you can explain how the Inquisition's decree, the formal condemnation of three heliocentric works, and Bellarmine's injunction constitute great support for heliocentrism or can show that they were not intended to be taken literally, I shall be very interested.
 
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Can you cite specific sources in support of this account, because it is not quite my understanding of the Galileo affair. According to Dan Hofstadter's book The Earth Moves: Galileo and the Roman Inquisition (p. 119), 'on February 24 1616, alarmed by the spread of writings sympathetic to the idea of the earth's motion, the Inquisition issued a decree condemning Copernicanism as "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical" because it contradicted Holy Scripture. On March 3 of the same year, the Congregation of the Index' formally condemned three such heliocentric works.

Two days after the Inquisition's decree, on February 26, Galileo was summoned 'to the residence of Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, the head of the Inquisition and the greatest Roman Catholic theologian of the period, to receive a special injunction. ... Bellarmine warned [Galileo] to completely abandon his Copernicanism, and "henceforth not to hold, teach or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing; otherwise the Holy Office would start proceedings against him. The same Galileo acquiesced in the injunction and promised to obey."'

This does not sound to me as if Galileo was 'given great support for his ideas'. If you can explain how the Inquisition's decree, the formal condemnation of three heliocentric works, and Bellarmine's injunction constitute great support for heliocentrism or can show that they were not intended to be taken literally, I shall be very interested.
Fed Hoyle gives an account in his book I referred to in a previous post.

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You are all over the place.
Let me remind you of your original claim it apparently requires some divine intervention to have the moon which is about 400 times smaller than the Sun but 400 times closer to Earth so their angular diameters are roughly the same.
I use the term roughly as the eccentricities of the Earth’s and Moon’s orbit do not always end up as total eclipses but as annular eclipses.
This indicates a fundamental failure to understand the difference between correlation and causation.

To add to @Ophiolite rebuttal of your post, if you had bothered to research the subject instead of making ill informed comments of binary systems being rare and difficult to reproduce in the solar system there is apart from the Earth-Moon system, Pluto-Charon, 62930 Hermes, 90 Antiope, 79360 Sia-Nunam and 1998 WW₃₁ are those that we know of.



Archeologists and forensic scientists work with evidence not preconceived ideas.



Suggesting following the evidence leads to ID is the very principle of confirmation bias and is therefore pseudoscience.
Experiments and observations are designed to test theories not confirm them.

It's not really a controversial observation- this article goes further than I do to say 'unique' but you get the point

Earth's Stabilizing Moon May Be Unique Within Universe | Space

Pluto-Charon, not an inner rocky planet, too far from the sun for complex life..
 
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Can you cite specific sources in support of this account, because it is not quite my understanding of the Galileo affair. According to Dan Hofstadter's book The Earth Moves: Galileo and the Roman Inquisition (p. 119), 'on February 24 1616, alarmed by the spread of writings sympathetic to the idea of the earth's motion, the Inquisition issued a decree condemning Copernicanism as "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical" because it contradicted Holy Scripture. On March 3 of the same year, the Congregation of the Index' formally condemned three such heliocentric works.

Two days after the Inquisition's decree, on February 26, Galileo was summoned 'to the residence of Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, the head of the Inquisition and the greatest Roman Catholic theologian of the period, to receive a special injunction. ... Bellarmine warned [Galileo] to completely abandon his Copernicanism, and "henceforth not to hold, teach or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing; otherwise the Holy Office would start proceedings against him. The same Galileo acquiesced in the injunction and promised to obey."'

This does not sound to me as if Galileo was 'given great support for his ideas'. If you can explain how the Inquisition's decree, the formal condemnation of three heliocentric works, and Bellarmine's injunction constitute great support for heliocentrism or can show that they were not intended to be taken literally, I shall be very interested.

As above you have to go back a bit further to get the whole picture

It was detailed using records of letters etc in the The Star-Gazer: Harsanyi Zsolt: but a snippet from Heliocentrism: Galileo’s Battle With the Church – StMU History Media here to give you a gist

So, when Galileo openly claimed to believe in Copernicus’ ideas in 1604, he immediately put himself on the radar of the church.6 Thankfully, he had deep relationships and important friends within the church, especially among various cardinals and priests. More specifically, he was good friends with Cardinal Maffeo Barberini, who often vouched for him with the Holy Office and with Pope Paul V himself.7 Galileo would get away with speaking and teaching the ideas of heliocentrism for now.
 
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They were not restricted by such arbitrary tenets of materialism as you cite, but free to follow the evidence wherever it pointed
So what is the evidence for Intelligent Design Creationism, and why do you continue to pretend that ID is not creationism?
 
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You can't have scientific laws without someONE creating those laws. Without a first cause, nothing would exist.
That is not what a scientific law is. A scientific law is a description of a phenomenon that has no as yet identified exceptions.
Do you actually think that a scientific law is like a, well, law? THAT is funny.
 
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There are laws about how the creation acts. They are technically not natural because they were all created by a supernatural being who holds all matter together.
You can not have rules about how nature acts without someone creating the rules. Why is there gravity? Because God designed the earth in such a way that gravity would be a result.
There's a reason Satan is known as the chaos bringer, because God is a being of order and deliberate design.
Such a collection of dubious and unsupported assertions - a rare sight in real life, but on creationism-related forums, sadly, a staple.
 
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