Mark of the Beast

[TribulationSigns]

So... from the Interlinear Greek-English Bible...

1. Beast = therion = wild beast (chaos is come again, the without-law people)
2. Horn = keras = hair of the head (outgrowth of a beast, his source of power)
3. Head = kephale = as the part most readily taken hold of (as a man thinks, so is he)
4. Crown = diadema = to bind (to Satan who owns the kingdoms of the world)
5. little = mikros = small ... spiritual antonym: Matt.18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
6. treis = three ... Jam.5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
7. ophthalmos = eye, sight ... Matt.13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Is that HOW you find God's interpretation this way? Have you ever heard the term, "Compare Scripture with Scripture?"

 

[Ligurian]

Is that HOW you find God's interpretation this way? Have you ever heard the term, "Compare Scripture with Scripture?"

Don't really see how I could be a literalist without doing that all day long.
Wait.
Is this like one of those math quizzes where they make even the kids
doing math in their heads, slow down and show teacher their work?
Am kinda seeing how you're not answering my questions, though.
Guess you're not up for it, huh. (sigh)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Don't really see how I could be a literalist without doing that all day long.
Wait.
Is this like one of those math quizzes where they make even the kids
doing math in their heads, slow down and show teacher their work?
Am kinda seeing how you're not answering my questions, though.
Guess you're not up for it, huh. (sigh)

Please. I am way ahead of you.

Based on how you asked questions and answered your own questions, you, claimed to be a literalist, lack sound hermeneutic, and by any rational, logical, biblical exegesis, to assume that a horn "were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaks great things" must be literally a man without comparing Scripture with Scripture to find God's definition for the horn first. You have failed to do so... therefore, if your assumptions are incorrect, your conclusions will be incorrect. I see that you are new here, so please feel free to use search to find my past posts here that already answered your questions.

 

[Ligurian]

Please. I am way ahead of you.

Based on how you asked questions and answered your own questions, you, claimed to be a literalist, lack sound hermeneutic, and by any rational, logical, biblical exegesis, to assume that a horn "were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaks great things" must be literally a man without comparing Scripture with Scripture to find God's definition for the horn first. You have failed to do so... therefore, if your assumptions are incorrect, your conclusions will be incorrect. I see that you are new here, so please feel free to use search to find my past posts here that already answered your questions.

In other words, I don't use $10 words and subscribe to seminaries-R-us?
I think differently than you've been taught, therefore I must be wrong?
That box of yours isn't even close to where my thoughts live. Vive la différence!

What if I said your gif looks like the Yeats "What Rough Beast". Would you run off to find what I had to say... about anything even remotely God-related? Yeah ... me neither.
I'm not above being snarky... but it has to be for some valid reason... like when I'm all out of rocky road and wearing my last clean socks. But I do my best to stay off Christian forums until the mood passes.

____________
... somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
--W.B. Yeats, The Second Coming

[no "bible-scholar" (whew), but one heck of a visual poet]

 

[Douggg]

ye are the children of them which killed the prophets

Jesus called their father the devil. He is the one who was murder from the start. And was around at the time of the murder of Abel.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mystery, Babylon the great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels.

Since there are other passages in Zechariah 14 that indicate Jerusalem will be the place where the Lord of Host will be after the Mt. of Olives is split in half, Jerusalem is not the trading city in Revelation 18 that will be destroyed.

Revelation 18 is an allegory of a great trading citing that will meet it's sudden destruction. No actual city upon earth matches the description of the city of Revelation 18.

 

[Timtofly]

You had me until you said "without a light literally", because Jesus is our light, but perhaps you meant something else.

Adam died both physically and spiritually. Only John in the 5th Seal, and the mount of Transfiguration show us the robe of white as our spirit wrapped around the incorruptible body. The sons of God were lights on earth. The same as the angels were stars in heaven.

In the story of King Ahab (1 Kings 22:19-24) and the lying spirits, we know the spirits surround the throne of God. Spirit in the Bible is either breath or a literal part of the image of God which we do not have possession of. The spirit part of us acts as messengers to God. When a soul becomes reprobate on earth is the point a spirit becomes a demon and flees from the presence of God. Our spirit is an outer robe of white. The Holy Spirit dwells in us. A demon can take over within the mind. Glorification will not happen until the Second Coming. Then the image of God that Adam lost for all his offspring will be restored.

Most see the church as just replacing Israel. The church is the restoration of all of Adam's descendants from Seth until today. Those who are redeemed and have by faith accepted the Atonement as the only means of restoration. This was true in the OT, as Enoch was the example of a soul that did not see physical death like those at the Second Coming. All of the church have had to accept the Atonement by faith. Even those under the Law, still had to accept the Atonement by faith. Most of Adam's family has rejected or has been in blindness as whole nations where the truth of God's Word was prevented from entering. Even Jacob's family who were supposed to be God's living Word on earth, rejected God outright, and did that which is right in their own eyes.

 

[Freedm]

Also because the 70 wks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem. And because when Jesus returns, Jerusalem will say to him "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord", Matthew 23:37-39.

Interesting. So I just want to point out that a "remnant" means a small subset of the entire group, and we already know that a small subset of Jews did indeed accept Christ in the first century AD, so that would be the remnant that Paul was talking about. What do you think he meant by "remnant"?

 

[Timtofly]

Christians are like the moon, which has no light of its own, but reflects the light of the sun. The earth is the mother of mankind, in the way that man is made of the earth. To dismiss that fact is to pretend that we are not the dust of the earth, but might in fact be gods. In the Revelation, the overcoming ones have worshippers at their feet... but only because we stand next to Jesus who has loved us.

Since claiming the moon has no light of it's own, that is the science of the serpent as well. Do you have another metaphor that works?

 

[Timtofly]

Ask the guy I was talking to at the time to explain why he hates the Greeks.
People who don't understand poetry should probably leave Greek writings alone.

I don't hate the Greeks. I probably do not hate Satan. I hate coconut. I avoid things the best that I can that has to do with and come from Satan. Yet you claim all knowledge is tainted by Satan. I guess no examples exist that is not in one way or the other.

 

[Timtofly]

You're talking about people coming to "know Jesus as the Lord their God" after Jesus "having returned to earth". How does that happen? Scripture says faith in Christ is required to be saved. No faith would be needed at that point if Jesus was right there in front of them in all His glory.

Knowing and believing are not the same thing. Israel will know God. He is present front and center. Dougg has it backwards though. The Second Coming is before the Antichrist. No where in Revelation does it claim Israel is decieved by Satan. Israel was taken away just like the church, before Satan's 42 months. Read chapter 12 again. The only remnant left are the 144k and Jesus Christ in Jerusalem in Revelation 13:7. Even Christ and the 144k leave Jerusalem at that point. Only the 2 witnesses remain during the last 42 months Satan is in charge.

 

[Freedm]

Adam died both physically and spiritually. Only John in the 5th Seal, and the mount of Transfiguration show us the robe of white as our spirit wrapped around the incorruptible body. The sons of God were lights on earth. The same as the angels were stars in heaven.

In the story of King Ahab (1 Kings 22:19-24) and the lying spirits, we know the spirits surround the throne of God. Spirit in the Bible is either breath or a literal part of the image of God which we do not have possession of. The spirit part of us acts as messengers to God. When a soul becomes reprobate on earth is the point a spirit becomes a demon and flees from the presence of God. Our spirit is an outer robe of white. The Holy Spirit dwells in us. A demon can take over within the mind. Glorification will not happen until the Second Coming. Then the image of God that Adam lost for all his offspring will be restored.

Most see the church as just replacing Israel. The church is the restoration of all of Adam's descendants from Seth until today. Those who are redeemed and have by faith accepted the Atonement as the only means of restoration. This was true in the OT, as Enoch was the example of a soul that did not see physical death like those at the Second Coming. All of the church have had to accept the Atonement by faith. Even those under the Law, still had to accept the Atonement by faith. Most of Adam's family has rejected or has been in blindness as whole nations where the truth of God's Word was prevented from entering. Even Jacob's family who were supposed to be God's living Word on earth, rejected God outright, and did that which is right in their own eyes.

Jesus literally told us that we are the light of the world and that we should let our light shine.

Matthew 5:14-16
“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

 

[Freedm]

I don't hate the Greeks. I probably do not hate Satan. I hate coconut.

I hate ketchup. Really vile stuff.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus literally told us that we are the light of the world and that we should let our light shine.

Matthew 5:14-16
“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

That is not us. That is the Holy Spirit working through us. A big difference. We our not our own, but bought with a price. All we do is God, or it should be. If not then it is not a light.

 

[Ligurian]

Jesus called their father the devil. He is the one who was murder from the start. And was around at the time of the murder of Abel.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mystery, Babylon the great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels.

Since there are other passages in Zechariah 14 that indicate Jerusalem will be the place where the Lord of Host will be after the Mt. of Olives is split in half, Jerusalem is not the trading city in Revelation 18 that will be destroyed.

Revelation 18 is an allegory of a great trading citing that will meet it's sudden destruction. No actual city upon earth matches the description of the city of Revelation 18.

In fact, Revelation 18 is the people who control the international world bank... buying and selling should've been the clue. I have to admit, I missed it, too. Because I never read Jezekiel in the LXX before now. Thank you so much for making me do the research!

This puts the cap on the pyramid.

Jezekiel 28:2 And thou, son of man, say to the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord; Because thine heart has been exalted, and thou hast said, I am God, I have inhabited the dwelling of God in the heart of the sea; yet thou art man and not God, though thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God: 3 art thou wiser than Daniel? or have not the wise instructed thee with their knowledge? 4 Hast thou gained power for thyself by thine own knowledge or thine own prudence, and gotten gold and silver in thy treasures? 5 By thy abundant knowledge and thy traffic thou hast multiplied thy power; thy heart has been lifted up by thy power. 6 Therefore thus saith the Lord; Since thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; 7 because of this, behold, I will bring on thee strange plagues from the nations; and they shall draw their swords against thee, and against the beauty of thy knowledge, 8 and they shall bring down thy beauty to destruction. And they shall bring thee down; and thou shalt die the death of the slain in the heart of the sea. 9 Wilt thou indeed say, I am God, before them that slay thee? whereas thou art man, and not God. 10 Thou shalt perish by the hands of strangers among the multitude of the uncircumcised: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord.

11 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation for the prince of Tyre, and say to him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou art a seal of resemblance, and crown of beauty. 13 Thou wast in the delight of the paradise of God; thou hast bound upon thee every precious stone, the sardius, and topaz, and emerald, and carbuncle, and sapphire, and jasper, and silver, and gold, and ligure, and agate, and amethyst, and chrysolite, and beryl, and onyx: and thou hast filled thy treasures and thy stores in thee with gold. 14 From the day that thou wast created thou wast with the cherub: I set thee on the holy mount of God; thou wast in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast faultless in thy days, from the day that thou wast created, until iniquity was found in thee. 16 Of the abundance of thy merchandise thou hast filled thy storehouses with iniquity, and hast sinned: therefore thou hast been cast down wounded from the mount of God, and the cherub has brought thee out of the midst of the stones of fire.LXX

The KJV has the prince of Tyre for the first set of verses and the king of Tyre for the second set of verses... and pretty much obscured the whole thing by making it two different people... the last set of verses is clearly Lucifer. Therefore, so is the first set, clearly shown by the LXX.

And here's where Satan is cast out of Heaven after losing the war against Michael and his angels.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The little horn must be Satan... or at least devil/possessed. The people he does possess have his signature character flaw... trading their wisdom for rocks.

Kings III 10:14 "And the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and sixty-six talents of gold."LXX

Esaias 23:15 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be left seventy years, as the time of a king, as the time of a man: and it shall come to pass after seventy years, that Tyre shall be as the song of a harlot. 16 Take a harp, go about, O city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; play well on the harp, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. 17 And it shall come to pass after the seventy years, that God will visit Tyre, and she shall be again restored to her primitive state, and she shall be a mart for all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth. 18 And her trade and her gain shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be gathered for them, but for those that dwell before the Lord, even all her trade, to eat and drink and be filled, and for a covenant and a memorial before the Lord."

Tyre means rock.

But what's up with this Tyrus and Tyre? and her singing? and those 70 years?
Tyre, Lebanon - Wikipedia
What am I missing? Tyre is Babylon... Tyrus is the prince of Babylon... And Babylon is also Jerusalem that kills the prophets?

 

[Ligurian]

I probably do not hate Satan.

wow

Since claiming the moon has no light of it's own,
that is the science of the serpent as well.

Can't really take your word for that, all things considered.

 

[Douggg]

The KJV has the prince of Tyre for the first set of verses and the king of Tyre for the second set of verses... and pretty much obscured the whole thing by making it two different people... the last set of verses is clearly Lucifer. Therefore, so is the first set, clearly shown by the LXX.

The prince of Tyre, v1-10, is a man.

The king of Tyre, v11-19, is a cherub, i.e. an angel.

v1-10 is about the revealed man of sin's claim to have achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonians2:3-4. And God having him killed for it.

v11-19 is about Satan. His being kicked out of the third heaven long ago. And later in the middle of the 7 years, being cast down to earth as God begins dismantling his Kingdom of Mystery Babylon the great.

During the time Satan will have left, he will incarnate the image of the beast statue - and by deception will make it appear to come alive and speak - and everyone will be required to worship the statue or be put to death for refusing. The abomination of desolation (AoD) standing in the holy place, the temple mount, that Jesus warned to flee when they first see it placed there in Matthew 24:15-22.

Upon Jesus's return, by His brightness focused on the image, the outer facade will be turned to ashes, and there will be Satan exposed in the flesh to fulfill v17-19.

 

[Douggg]

What am I missing? Tyre is Babylon... Tyrus is the prince of Babylon... And Babylon is also Jerusalem that kills the prophets?

The literal Tyre* was a powerful city state and island just off the coast in the Mediterranean, that was eventually conquered by Alexander the Great.

Babylon was far to the east in what is today Iraq.

Jerusalem is the city in Israel. It is metaphorically called Sodom and Egypt in Revelation, because during the 7 years, it will be occupied by the little horn>Antichrist>beast, elements opposed to God.

At the time of Jesus, the religious leaders in Jerusalem who opposed him and plotted his death were acting as children of the devil. The devil was/is responsible for all the deaths upon the earth.
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*Tyre in myth was the birth place of Europa - which the name Europe came from. The little horn will come out of Europe, the EU. The EU will be the kingdom of the beast, and will dominate the rest of the world.

the little horn>Antichrist>beast will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
the false prophet (coming out of Israel) will also be cast alive into the lake of fire.
Satan - the once Cherub, i.e. angel, will be cast into the bottomless pit.

At Jesus's return to earth.

 

[Douggg]

Interesting. So I just want to point out that a "remnant" means a small subset of the entire group, and we already know that a small subset of Jews did indeed accept Christ in the first century AD, so that would be the remnant that Paul was talking about. What do you think he meant by "remnant"?

Remanent, as in the case of Israel, is that although in one respect their numbers are great when spread across history, only a small percentage will be saved.

 

[Douggg]

The Second Coming is before the Antichrist.

What is Revelation 19 describing if not the Second Coming ?

 

[Ligurian]

In fact, Revelation 18 is the people who control the international world bank... buying and selling should've been the clue. I have to admit, I missed it, too. Because I never read Jezekiel in the LXX before now. Thank you so much for making me do the research!

This puts the cap on the pyramid.

Jezekiel 28:2 And thou, son of man, say to the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord; Because thine heart has been exalted, and thou hast said, I am God, I have inhabited the dwelling of God in the heart of the sea; yet thou art man and not God, though thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God: 3 art thou wiser than Daniel? or have not the wise instructed thee with their knowledge? 4 Hast thou gained power for thyself by thine own knowledge or thine own prudence, and gotten gold and silver in thy treasures? 5 By thy abundant knowledge and thy traffic thou hast multiplied thy power; thy heart has been lifted up by thy power. 6 Therefore thus saith the Lord; Since thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; 7 because of this, behold, I will bring on thee strange plagues from the nations; and they shall draw their swords against thee, and against the beauty of thy knowledge, 8 and they shall bring down thy beauty to destruction. And they shall bring thee down; and thou shalt die the death of the slain in the heart of the sea. 9 Wilt thou indeed say, I am God, before them that slay thee? whereas thou art man, and not God. 10 Thou shalt perish by the hands of strangers among the multitude of the uncircumcised: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord.

11 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation for the prince of Tyre, and say to him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou art a seal of resemblance, and crown of beauty. 13 Thou wast in the delight of the paradise of God; thou hast bound upon thee every precious stone, the sardius, and topaz, and emerald, and carbuncle, and sapphire, and jasper, and silver, and gold, and ligure, and agate, and amethyst, and chrysolite, and beryl, and onyx: and thou hast filled thy treasures and thy stores in thee with gold. 14 From the day that thou wast created thou wast with the cherub: I set thee on the holy mount of God; thou wast in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast faultless in thy days, from the day that thou wast created, until iniquity was found in thee. 16 Of the abundance of thy merchandise thou hast filled thy storehouses with iniquity, and hast sinned: therefore thou hast been cast down wounded from the mount of God, and the cherub has brought thee out of the midst of the stones of fire.LXX

The KJV has the prince of Tyre for the first set of verses and the king of Tyre for the second set of verses... and pretty much obscured the whole thing by making it two different people... the last set of verses is clearly Lucifer. Therefore, so is the first set, clearly shown by the LXX.

And here's where Satan is cast out of Heaven after losing the war against Michael and his angels.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The little horn must be Satan... or at least devil/possessed. The people he does possess have his signature character flaw... trading their wisdom for rocks.

Kings III 10:14 "And the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and sixty-six talents of gold."LXX

Esaias 23:15 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be left seventy years, as the time of a king, as the time of a man: and it shall come to pass after seventy years, that Tyre shall be as the song of a harlot. 16 Take a harp, go about, O city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; play well on the harp, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. 17 And it shall come to pass after the seventy years, that God will visit Tyre, and she shall be again restored to her primitive state, and she shall be a mart for all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth. 18 And her trade and her gain shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be gathered for them, but for those that dwell before the Lord, even all her trade, to eat and drink and be filled, and for a covenant and a memorial before the Lord."

Tyre means rock.

But what's up with this Tyrus and Tyre? and her singing? and those 70 years?
Tyre, Lebanon - Wikipedia
What am I missing? Tyre is Babylon... Tyrus is the prince of Babylon... And Babylon is also Jerusalem that kills the prophets?

The prince of Tyre, v1-10, is a man.
The king of Tyre, v11-19, is a cherub, i.e. an angel.
v11-19 is about Satan. His being kicked out of the third heaven long ago.

There's only the prince of Tyrus, if you're reading LXX.

Rev.8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

5th trumpet is the 1st Woe... locusts from the pit.
9:12 One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

6th trumpet is the 2nd Woe... death of the witnesses, huge earthquake.
11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

7th trumpet announces the Kingdom of Heaven, and the 3rd Woe.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. ...
12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The three woes is almost as often missed as the fact that Rome cannot be the Beast.