I'm familiar with Orch OR and related claims - I was quite interested when they first came out, and spent some time investigating it, but it doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny, especially the biology. Have a look at Bandyopadhyay's original paper claimed to be the basis for Orch OR and see for yourself ("We have carried out several tricky state-of-the-art experiments..."! plus talk of testing the optical properties of a microtubule!). There are multiple criticisms of Orch OR on a variety of grounds, but really you only have to read the original papers to see that it's fanciful speculation on flaky grounds.orch OR is related to penroses "objective-collapse theory" which is what I was struggling to communicate.
from wiki:
Orch OR posits that consciousness is based on non-computable quantum processing performed by qubits formed collectively on cellular microtubules, a process significantly amplified in the neurons. The qubits are based on oscillating dipoles forming superposed resonance rings in helical pathways throughout lattices of microtubules. The oscillations are either electric, due to charge separation from London forces, or magnetic, due to electron spin—and possibly also due to nuclear spins (that can remain isolated for longer periods) that occur in gigahertz, megahertz and kilohertz frequency ranges.[2][6] Orchestration refers to the hypothetical process by which connective proteins, such as microtubule-associated proteins (MAPs), influence or orchestrate qubit state reduction by modifying the spacetime-separation of their superimposed states.[7] The latter is based on Penrose's objective-collapse theory for interpreting quantum mechanics, which postulates the existence of an objective threshold governing the collapse of quantum-states, related to the difference of the spacetime curvature of these states in the universe's fine-scale structure.
I'd like to see a link to that, because in the Lex Fridman 'Round 2' podcast (#47), Lex asks him if QM can help us understand the mind and consciousness and he says, "Not really, minds are pretty classical; I don't think ... phenomena like entanglement are crucial to the way the mind works". He's made similar statements elsewhere, so I'm curious to hear where he says different...Carroll is obviously more a fan of what he thinks is correct which is the many-worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics but on the second lex fridman podcast with him in it he said that OR is one of the ones that he thinks could be true.
All forces are quantum (with the possible exception of gravity); but assuming that happens, so what? what 'different uses of quantum forces'? how does that explain anything?... the orchestration part of it is when a system like our brain creates a stable environment for certain processes in reality to occur that normally would be too random and unstable without some kind of ordered system which could allow for different uses of quantum forces.
Why would stars or black holes have consciousness? how would it arise? how could they perceive and process information? how could they respond? What is a 'higher dimension of information'? how could one be created? How would a star create a simulated world? Why?so we can test this with things such as trying to create an AGI with this theory and even in trying to understand complex systems such as stars and blackholes, which is a very very far out thought but still something that is potentially testable. and what I mean by far out thought is the possibility of stars and blackholes having some kind of consciousness and maybe even mind to them which might be some kind of way higher dimensions of information can be created, as in, stars acting as some kind of device which creates simulated worlds... since we as humans can already do this in a small way.
No offence, but it sounds like fantasy fiction...
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