Except when you are offended by what it teaches; e.g., Mark 9:47-48, and then try to confound the use of its words to defend unbelief.The old 'adults only Bible', eh?
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. (Mt 11:25
God expects us to not bring our worldly pride to the interpretation of scripture, but to take His word
Except when Jesus warns of the unquenchable fire awaiting the damned (Mark 9:47-48), then it's time not only to question, but to confound and misrepresent words' meanings for the sake of overturning Jesus, employing this charade of verses as "proof" that the meaning of aoinois is not "eternal."for the incredible promises He makes, for instance:
have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:23, as reiterated and revealed in Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:9-10).
Now if God tells me the earth is flat and He's going to convert everyone, who am I to question? Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. (Job 38:4)
So do you?So do you have the courage to let God be true and every man a liar?
The bible is a explanation of reality to the faithful.So your vote is for Annihilationism then?
What does that say about your definition of what the Bible is about? God's plan for global genocide?
How does that view address the Great White Throne Judgment? Generally annihilationism teaches that God wakes the sinner up...just to kill him again (after forcing him to his knees to confess). The mind boggles.
Damnation-ism, Annihil-ism, Ultimate Redemption(ism). Where is "bible" in the three choices?The old 'adults only Bible', eh?
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. (Mt 11:25)
I will go with your misunderstanding of the verse. Two creations of the Creator cannot contradict. What universe and codex are you espousing?God expects us to not bring our worldly pride to the interpretation of scripture, but to take His word for the incredible promises He makes, for instance:
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:23, as reiterated and revealed in Rom 14:11 and Phil 2:9-10).
Now if God tells me the earth is flat and He's going to convert everyone, who am I to question?
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
I have enough faith to believe Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God and is our Saviour. I have enough courage to say the Scriptures are inerrant. I have enough wisdom to know a lie when I see it.(Job 38:4)
So do you have the courage to let God be true and every man a liar?
Damnation-ism, Annihil-ism, Ultimate Redemption(ism). Where is "bible" in the three choices?
I will go with your misunderstanding of the verse. An "ism" indicates ideology. So in your world a child is best suited to understand and express an ideology? So Greta Thunberg is ideal to explain anthropogenic global warming? With COVID 19, she is now an expert in epidemiology! How dare you!
I will go with your misunderstanding of the verse. Two creations of the Creator cannot contradict. What universe and codex are you espousing?
I have enough faith to believe Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God and is our Saviour. I have enough courage to say the Scriptures are inerrant. I have enough wisdom to know a lie when I see it.
All three were answered fully. . .evidently not with the answers you wanted.
You don't understand if those two are a yes or no?Do you really think so? From my POV, you side-stepped on two, but one direct answer out of three is better than average. Most folks NEVER give a direct answer to a direct question.
The concept of hell will have to be explained with sheol Ecclesiastes 9:10.The three Christian views of hell (damnation, annihilation and universal redemption) have all been in existence since the first century. All three views are supported by scripture.
"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff writes :
In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
Talking to Christians, wasn't he? "the gift of God is eternal life", we receive eternal life as a gift, not as standard issue.\Not according to Paul, who says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
(2 Corinthians 5:8).
Neither of those passages speaks of eternal life at all, do they?I see only life (of the spirit) after physical death in the NT, in the redeemed, according to Paul,
as well as in the unredeemed, according to Jesus in Luke 16:22-24, Mark 9:47-48.
In every mention of death. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life under torture, because eternal life is the gift of God. Simple contrast, death v life.So where in Scripture do you find this pattern for annihilation of being, for anyone?
Correct. No one is immortal by default. The blessed are granted the gift of eternal life by God, just as Scripture says.So the damned are not immortal, only the redeemed are immortal, right?
You believe they're to be brought up from hell to be judged and then chucked back into hell? Really?So the damned are raised from the dead in new bodies just long enough to be judged at the final judgment and then annihilated?
Yes, of course you say so. .I say universal immortality makes more sense than that.
" And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell." Could it be that when He said, destroy, He meant destroy?then there's the teaching of Jesus
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."and Paul.
Sure it wasn't fraternizationizing?Nice conflaguration. . .
Physician, heal thyself.It is your ignorance of Scripture that complicates it.
And you only had to make a couple of small modification to the Scripture to draw that amazing conclusion! True constabularization!Uh. . .I'm thinkin' not "possibly" but absolutely, the worst thing is your faulty reading of Genesis. . .Adam lost spiritual life in the fall, the Hebrew reads: "Dying, (spiritually), you will die (physically)." (Genesis 2:17)
The Spirit of eternal life, so often spoken of in Scripture. <Laff>You're right about that! . . .since Adam lost the Spirit of eternal life
Yeah, because God had told them "ye shall not surely die"...oh, wait.the moment he rebelled, Adam damned himself.
Sorry, but refusing to believe your hand-wrought reasoning is in no way blasphempous, unless of course you're God, which - this just in - you aren't.And it is your own non-sense that is the blasphemy!
Wht does "until" mean in your language?How about Matthew 18:34--"delivered to the tormentors (to the jailers to be tortured) until he pay his debt? This is what my heavenly Father will do to each one of you unless you forgive your brother from the heart."
Pronouncing anathemas on those who reject your ridiculous "interpretation" of Scripture? Dang, the first female pope! Were you speaking ex cathedra? You need to let us know when you are so we have prostrate ourselves before you <ROFL>Anathema!
Nah, what's being rejected is your doctrine, which is bogus, and not in accord with God's Word.God-breathed are the words on the paper, and they are what is being questioned.
Yet you deny that the wages of sin is death. Naughty naughty.Denying the words themselves is faithless, defending the words differently is believing them, differently.
Yep, the fire isn't going to go out, and there'll be enough worms to go around. Doesn't say anything about those hove into the fire living there forever, does it? You just made that part up and stuck a "thus sayeth the Lord" on it.Jesus warns of the unquenchable fire awaiting the damned
The issue here is not eternal life, it's "universal" immortality.Talking to Christians, wasn't he? "the gift of God is eternal life", we receive eternal life as a gift, not as standard issue.
Neither of those passages speaks of eternal life at all, do they?
Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit. Spiritual death is absence of God's life in one's spirit.In every mention of death. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life under torture, because eternal life is the gift of God. Simple contrast, death v life.
Correct. No one is immortal by default. The blessed are granted the gift of eternal life by God, just as Scripture says.
You believe they're to be brought up from hell to be judged and then chucked back into hell? Really?
Yes, of course you say so. .
" And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell." Could it be that when He said, destroy, He meant destroy?
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Could it be that when he said, death, he meant death?