The Bible: God's plan for the redemption of humankind? Or... ???

Jake Arsenal

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Actually, it describes the opposite in the redeemed.

Not quite. The disorder(sin) is an ongoing problem; we are still hoping for the redemption of our body because we cannot hope for that which we already possess.(Romans 8:23-25)

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
 
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Not quite.
The disorder(sin) is an ongoing problem; we are still hoping for the redemption of our body because we cannot hope for that which we already possess.(Romans 8:23-25)

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
We don't possess it fully, but we are not in entropy, we are in a progressive spiritual ordering.
 
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