Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Mr Laurier]

I am still waiting for your evidence to support your statement that my post was in error regarding the Shroud of Turin and Josephus.

Saying that your evidence is available in a museum or library is much like saying the dog ate my homework. Can you provide evidence or not?

So you want all the books, copied out diligently for you.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Yes.

Like anything else that started out pure, Satan sowed his tares among them.

That's why Easter Day is a hunt for colored eggs, brought to you by ... the Easter Bunny.

So Satan sowed christianity?

 

[Astrid]

So you want all the books, copied out diligently for you.

The SoT thing is kind of ridiculous.
If it's proved real, then there goes Faith.

The church won't let it be tested, and webworld is full
of contradictory true facts.

If God wanted to be proved it would not be up to
who controls a piece of cloth.

It just looks weak to even bring it up.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Ironically, science itself owes its very existence to Christians and believers in God and the Bible - and their description of science was the organized and systematic investigation into how God designed the universe to work.

Today science has been hijacked by atheism, naturalism, and materialism that demands the presupposition of those paradigms be used to interpret all data.

For example Francis Bacon is the father of the modern scientific method.

Mendel, the father of genetics.

The Bible prophecy studying Isaac Newton is the father of physics and calculus.

There is a long list of others i can cite.

You left out the devout christian divinity student Charles Darwin.
And the christian priest Georges Lemaitre.

oh, And Newton held heretical beliefs that he had to keep secret from the mainstream christians around him.
He rejected the divinity of Jesus. And he questioned the resurrection story.
He read the Q'ran, and asked why it was banned. Even commenting on all the wisdom it contained. If anything, he was closer to being a muslim than a christian.
Calling Newton a christian, is stretching things a bit.

 

[Astrid]

You left out the devout christian divinity student Charles Darwin.
And the christian priest Georges Lemaitre.

oh, And Newton held heretical beliefs that he had to keep secret from the mainstream christians around him.
He rejected the divinity of Jesus. And he questioned the resurrection story.
He read the Q'ran, and asked why it was banned. Even commenting on all the wisdom it contained. If anything, he was closer to being a muslim than a christian.
Calling Newton a christian, is stretching things a bit.

Bit of a odd duck all around. Alchemy never was remotely
scientific.

 

[Speedwell]

You left out the devout christian divinity student Charles Darwin.
And the christian priest Georges Lemaitre.

oh, And Newton held heretical beliefs that he had to keep secret from the mainstream christians around him.
He rejected the divinity of Jesus. And he questioned the resurrection story.
He read the Q'ran, and asked why it was banned. Even commenting on all the wisdom it contained. If anything, he was closer to being a muslim than a christian.
Calling Newton a christian, is stretching things a bit.

Still, it shows that eccentric religious beliefs need not be a barrier to doing good science.

 

[Astrid]

Still, it shows that eccentric religious beliefs need not be a barrier to doing good science.

And of course some mandate bad science

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ironically, science itself owes its very existence to Christians and believers in God and the Bible - and their description of science was the organized and systematic investigation into how God designed the universe to work.

If this is what you need to tell yourself so that you don't think that you are "anti-science" then go for it.

Today science has been hijacked by atheism, naturalism, and materialism that demands the presupposition of those paradigms be used to interpret all data.

Science is the study of the natural, material world and nothing more. It would be odd if it *didn't* use a naturalist presupposition of some sort. (Atheism isn't even really a thing as it is not a philosophy of any kind. We atheists don't have some sort of universal dogma.)

For example Francis Bacon is the father of the modern scientific method.

Was not a scientist. It would seem that his ideas about induction, etc. were important in the development of science, but he was not the central figure creating science or its methods.

Mendel, the father of genetics.

Who's work was so impactful that it was forgotten for decades. Darwin was unaware of it (and it would have provided the mechanism Darwin was looking for in the transmission of traits).

The Bible prophecy studying Isaac Newton is the father of physics and calculus.

We are aware that his most impactful work was done on the side from his more pressing interests in unorthodox theology, prophesy, and alchemy.

As prophesies go, his equations of motion are far more useful than anything he tried extracting from the Bible.

There is a long list of others i can cite.

Please don't. We've seen these list before and they really don't advance the discussion or argument.

 

[AV1611VET]

So Satan sowed christianity?

He sowed into Christianity.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Like academia does with the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials?

You should be aware that 'whataboutism' is a form of 'Tu Quoque' fallacy...

 

[AV1611VET]

You should be aware that 'whataboutism' is a form of 'Tu Quoque' fallacy...

So is retrospective determinism.

 

[chad kincham]

They did find out. That's why creationism as a scientific proposition has been off the table for 200 years.

When did this happen?

They were Christians, but how many of them were actually creationists?

When it happened seems obvious, it’s when Darwin published his bogus theory of evolution.

 

[chad kincham]

Strictly speaking, it was more an exaggeration than a hoax. Haeckel thought he'd discovered something important, but he got a lot of it wrong, and exaggerated it. But there is a significant (although selective) recapitulation of embryological phylogeny during embryonic development.

No, there isn’t.

 

[chad kincham]

You left out the devout christian divinity student Charles Darwin.
And the christian priest Georges Lemaitre.

oh, And Newton held heretical beliefs that he had to keep secret from the mainstream christians around him.
He rejected the divinity of Jesus. And he questioned the resurrection story.
He read the Q'ran, and asked why it was banned. Even commenting on all the wisdom it contained. If anything, he was closer to being a muslim than a christian.
Calling Newton a christian, is stretching things a bit.

I said Christians AND others who believe in God, the point being the founders of science itself, from the scientific method itself to virtually every branch of science, was founded by non atheists who had belief in God.


As I said, Science today has been hijacked by atheistic and materialistic naturalism - yet owes its very existence to those who believed in God.


They gave us the modern scientific method, physics, genetics, magnetism and electricity, astronomy, quantum theory, and general and special relativity, and more.


Francis Bacon invented the modern scientific method:


Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)

Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)


Isaac Newton gave us physics and calculus:


Isaac Newton (1642-1727)

In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."


Mendel is the father of genetics:


Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)

Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.


William Thompson Kelvin helped establish modern physics:


William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)

Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions."


Max Planck gave us quantum physics:


Max Planck (1858-1947)

Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God”


Michael Faraday is famous for his work with electricity and magnetism:


Michael Faraday (1791-1867)

Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.


Albert Einstein gave us the famous formula: Energy = Mass times the speed of light, squared, plus general and special relativity:


Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


And believers in God gave us astronomy:


Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)

Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.


Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)

Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!


Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.


Also the Big Bang theory came from a Christian, and was originally called the Primordial Atom (or Primeval Atom) theory - so even today’s standard cosmological model, came from someone with God belief.

You left out the devout christian divinity student Charles Darwin.
And the christian priest Georges Lemaitre.

oh, And Newton held heretical beliefs that he had to keep secret from the mainstream christians around him.
He rejected the divinity of Jesus. And he questioned the resurrection story.
He read the Q'ran, and asked why it was banned. Even commenting on all the wisdom it contained. If anything, he was closer to being a muslim than a christian.
Calling Newton a christian, is stretching things a bit.

Today there remains many working scientists in mathematics, cosmology, and physics, who believe in God - their research in their various scientific disciplines leads them to believe, such as Francis Collins, the head of the human genome project, who’s work in genetics and especially DNA led him to realize that the biological computer program code that is the O/S - operating system - that runs the very complex cell, is the programming language of God - and wrote a book on the topic.


He possibly came to that conclusion because of scientists like professor A E Wilder- Smith, who was the world’s premier chemist, having three earned PHDs in chemistry - who points out that no natural mechanism exists to produce information, which is what the biological programming code called DNA is - complex biological programming code information.


Whereas amino acids, the building blocks of protein, and life, occurs naturally (albeit with the Chirality problem extant in abiogenesis theory), there is no mechanism whatsoever in nature that can write code or create information.


Then there’s non Christian physics professor Amit Goswami, who states that quantum physics proves the existence of God, since matter cannot come into the state of existence in quantum theory, unless there is an observer present.


Therefore the Big Bang release of energy that created the time/space continuum, couldn’t become matter without an observer already present - and the only possible observer present so matter could come into existence , would be God - who exists apart from the space/time continuum.


BTW the Big Bang theory came from a Christian, and was originally called the Primordial Atom or Primeval Atom, so even today’s cosmology came from someone with God belief.

 

[Speedwell]

When it happened seems obvious, it’s when Darwin published his bogus theory of evolution.

No, that wasn't until 1859. A young Earth and a global flood had been debunked long before.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So is retrospective determinism.

How so? Do you know what a 'tu-quoque' fallacy is?

 

[Speedwell]

I said Christians AND others who believe in God, the point being the founders of science itself, from the scientific method itself to virtually every branch of science, was founded by non atheists who had belief in God.


As I said, Science today has been hijacked by atheistic and materialistic naturalism - yet owes its very existence to those who believed in God.


They gave us the modern scientific method, physics, genetics, magnetism and electricity, astronomy, quantum theory, and general and special relativity, and more.


Francis Bacon invented the modern scientific method:


Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)

Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)


Isaac Newton gave us physics and calculus:


Isaac Newton (1642-1727)

In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."


Mendel is the father of genetics:


Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)

Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.


William Thompson Kelvin helped establish modern physics:


William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)

Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions."


Max Planck gave us quantum physics:


Max Planck (1858-1947)

Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God”


Michael Faraday is famous for his work with electricity and magnetism:


Michael Faraday (1791-1867)

Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.


Albert Einstein gave us the famous formula: Energy = Mass times the speed of light, squared, plus general and special relativity:


Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


And believers in God gave us astronomy:


Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)

Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.


Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)

Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!


Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.


Also the Big Bang theory came from a Christian, and was originally called the Primordial Atom (or Primeval Atom) theory - so even today’s standard cosmological model, came from someone with God belief.

Today there remains many working scientists in mathematics, cosmology, and physics, who believe in God - their research in their various scientific disciplines leads them to believe, such as Francis Collins, the head of the human genome project, who’s work in genetics and especially DNA led him to realize that the biological computer program code that is the O/S - operating system - that runs the very complex cell, is the programming language of God - and wrote a book on the topic.


He possibly came to that conclusion because of scientists like professor A E Wilder- Smith, who was the world’s premier chemist, having three earned PHDs in chemistry - who points out that no natural mechanism exists to produce information, which is what the biological programming code called DNA is - complex biological programming code information.


Whereas amino acids, the building blocks of protein, and life, occurs naturally (albeit with the Chirality problem extant in abiogenesis theory), there is no mechanism whatsoever in nature that can write code or create information.


Then there’s non Christian physics professor Amit Goswami, who states that quantum physics proves the existence of God, since matter cannot come into the state of existence in quantum theory, unless there is an observer present.


Therefore the Big Bang release of energy that created the time/space continuum, couldn’t become matter without an observer already present - and the only possible observer present so matter could come into existence , would be God - who exists apart from the space/time continuum.


BTW the Big Bang theory came from a Christian, and was originally called the Primordial Atom or Primeval Atom, so even today’s cosmology came from someone with God belief.

We note that you have not mentioned devout Christians and other theists who work in the field and have no difficulty accepting the theory. You claim it is significant to your cause, for instance, that the originator of the Big Bang theory was a Christian, but he was certainly no creationist.

 

[chad kincham]

If this is what you need to tell yourself so that you don't think that you are "anti-science" then go for it.



Science is the study of the natural, material world and nothing more. It would be odd if it *didn't* use a naturalist presupposition of some sort. (Atheism isn't even really a thing as it is not a philosophy of any kind. We atheists don't have some sort of universal dogma.)



Was not a scientist. It would seem that his ideas about induction, etc. were important in the development of science, but he was not the central figure creating science or its methods.



Who's work was so impactful that it was forgotten for decades. Darwin was unaware of it (and it would have provided the mechanism Darwin was looking for in the transmission of traits).



We are aware that his most impactful work was done on the side from his more pressing interests in unorthodox theology, prophesy, and alchemy.

As prophesies go, his equations of motion are far more useful than anything he tried extracting from the Bible.



Please don't. We've seen these list before and they really don't advance the discussion or argument.

If you consider the truth that the data and evidence in science point to existence of God to be false or non existent, then you are anti science.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

No, there isn’t.

I think you'll find there is - for example, the embryonic 'tail' and what used to be called 'gill slits' - part of the phylogenetic history of embryos of many other species.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Like academia does with the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials?

How does academia misrepresent those? Please be specific.