Covid Vaccine?

[Isilwen]

When the end times are upon us, if we don't take the mark of the beast, then we cannot buy and sell (I'm not saying the shot is the mark BTW). I think that's worse then not being able to travel and many more things would have to be sacrificed then just the ability to see your children. You may be killed for your faith or may nearly starve to death, having no shelter or home to call your own.

Where our government is at right now is slowly chipping away at our freedoms and ability to do things from the widespread fear they've caused. This is never a good thing, nor is it a good sign of things to come. A lot of people were saying this would all end with the vaccine coming out, now it's something else - you must have a vaccine passport or you can't travel. It's not going to end here.

I keep asking the question and those who are against the vaccine have no answer. If you're gonna tell me.not to get it, then come up with a way for me to travel.

 

[Isilwen]

My question is, couldn't you drive through the states in order to get somewhere without having to be checked for a "covid passport"? Personally, if I lost my ability to fly because I chose to not get the shot, then I would just drive if I needed to see family. I've driven multiple trips from New Jersey to California and sure they were long trips, but I would rather be able to freely move without all the covid police breathing down my neck if I could avoid it. And that's just my preference. I don't think anyone's against God if they choose otherwise right now, but I think in any conversation, God has to be the main focus. Biblical truth must always override personal feelings. Biblical truth also dictates when we do and when we don't listen to the government anymore, i.e. when the government goes against God's commandments.

Nope, they had checkpoints back when travel was restricted. I got lucky and found a route that isn't really patrolled, but that may not be the case anymore.

 

[tryphena rose]

I keep asking the question and those who are against the vaccine have no answer. If you're gonna tell me.not to get it, then come up with a way for me to travel.

But that is exactly my point in mentioning end times, because those times when they come upon us will be much more difficult then anything we're facing now. We will lose way more then just the ability to travel. Like I said, if you get it then that's up to you - that is your decision and one only you alone can make. I don't think it is against God to do so, and that's the most important thing. However, I do see this as a step towards bad things to come in the future. My post was food for thought and something every Christian should considering if they're going to go along with every restriction the government makes up until end times. If you buckle down now and don't take a stance where you have the liberty to take a stance, then it'll be much more difficult to risk literally everything when the anti-Christ and beast system is here. Again, just something to think about and consider.

 

[tryphena rose]

Nope, they had checkpoints back when travel was restricted. I got lucky and found a route that isn't really patrolled, but that may not be the case anymore.

My husband and I just moved from Cali to Idaho a few months ago and I do have to say I never once saw a check point. We drove through Cali, Nevada and Idaho and were able to move freely within those states. I guess it probably depends on the state as well I assume.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Even as an EMT I have been putting off getting the Covid shot as I am phobic of needles. At least needles that go into my body, not others.

My girlfriend and I are taking my two little ones (with their mom's permission) to Upstate, NY to one meet their siblings up there and two so I can see my middle son graduate High School. There is much talk about Covid vaccine passports and not allowing people to travel if they haven't had the vaccine.

I'm finding out that it's not easy to get scheduled and the longer I wait, the likely this bravado that I have now will be there to get the vaccine as I tried last night for an appointment, but because I waited to be sure that if my body reacts strongly enough to the vaccine, that my supervisor will allow me the couple days needed for the fever and other side effects to go away, I lost the appointment and am not seeing anymore for this week. By next week, that bravado may be gone.

Should probably explain the phobia. At four years old I had an allergic reaction to something and they didn't know what. So, they had to test me. This was before scratch testing and I was injected 22 times in each arm. At four years old, that is quite traumatic and I have been phobic ever since.

I have prayed for God to take this phobia away from me now for months, but it remains. What more can I do?

Maybe the phoboa's there because this is a trial run of the mark of the beast and God is seeing what you will do. Maybe, just maybe he created you in such a way not to get the vaccine so you can have an excuse. Think about it!

 

[Sophrosyne]

Not only that but what does the Bible have to say about obeying the government or police or those over us? 1 Peter 2 talks extensively about this. That's why I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this issue of being forced to take the vaccine. Like I stated in a previous post, I'd rather just avoid it if I can that way I can still honor God while also not disobeying the government.

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

2 Peter 2 also makes more powerful statements.

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

This is why, as much as I don't care for many of those who are currently in power, I try to watch myself and not bad talk them. Because even the angels don't bring railing accusations against those in power, even if they are evil.

Culture back then isn't exactly the same as now.
We aren't loving one another to allow most of society to be bullied and tortured to protect less than 1% of the population from a possible death of Covid. The quality of life isn't considered at all in the political decisions of most governments as it trades the dwindling years of the elderly for a year of 100 times the young, their best years are forfeit to save perhaps a dozen years of a man whose best years have passed decades ago.
Children who aren't used to being treated almost like criminals have had to live a year of torture because of political government decisions.
When I was a kid and got in trouble I wasn't allowed to play with my friends (social distance anyone) I was grounded and had to stay indoors even grounded to my room (lockdown) and was not allowed to participate in social events if I was truly bad (shutdown businesses and events). I even made my parents mad enough that they didn't want to see my face (masks) for the rest of the day even.
So in a sense this covid crap has children treated like criminals and they did NOTHING wrong.
The problem is wisdom, some people have it most in government are lemmings IMO.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Culture back then isn't exactly the same as now.
We aren't loving one another to allow most of society to be bullied and tortured to protect less than 1% of the population from a possible death of Covid. The quality of life isn't considered at all in the political decisions of most governments as it trades the dwindling years of the elderly for a year of 100 times the young, their best years are forfeit to save perhaps a dozen years of a man whose best years have passed decades ago.
Children who aren't used to being treated almost like criminals have had to live a year of torture because of political government decisions.
When I was a kid and got in trouble I wasn't allowed to play with my friends (social distance anyone) I was grounded and had to stay indoors even grounded to my room (lockdown) and was not allowed to participate in social events if I was truly bad (shutdown businesses and events). I even made my parents mad enough that they didn't want to see my face (masks) for the rest of the day even.
So in a sense this covid crap has children treated like criminals and they did NOTHING wrong.
The problem is wisdom, some people have it most in government are lemmings IMO.

The Bible In The original septuigent NEVER stated to obey the goverment, in fact the entire Scripture of " king's " makes it clear God was furious that Israel wanted a king and form of goverment outside of His Authority. it stated to Obey those who were Appointed By God Through The Holy Spirit, Because They Watch Out for your soul's.

It says on the back of the united states one dollar bill, annuit coeptum novus ordo seclorum, which being interpreted mean's, the undertaking of the new world order. that devil George Washington was a practicing satanist and the goverment wants to send you to hell.

 

[Isilwen]

Okay. This thread has run its course.

I am getting the vaccine. My kids are more important than some supposed conspiracy or trial of the mark.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

God could take care of them, nice to know where you place your trust.

Okay. This thread has run its course.

I am getting the vaccine. My kids are more important than some supposed conspiracy or trial of the mark.

Yahweh could take care of them, nice to know where you place your trust. The Bible Talk's about the revealing, and The Judgement And here I Was going to buy land so you all could avoid the problem's of going to hell.nice to know you all don't want help. Noah's ark.

 

[Isilwen]

God could take care of them, nice to know where you place your trust.

Yahweh could take care of them, nice to know where you place your trust. The Bible Talk's about the revealing, and The Judgement.

If they enact the vaccine passports, God isn't going to make it so they will look the other way just for me. God is not a respector of persons.

So, just stop, now!

 

[Jesusfann777888]

If they enact the vaccine passports, God isn't going to make it so they will look the other way just for me. God is not a respector of persons.

So, just stop, now!

Listen, I'm not one of those people who cares about feelings.

If you go into aaas a goverment website they clearly state that vaccine's contain microneedle's that leave a mark that can be scanned using infrared, that's not a conspiracy, that's what's posted on a goverment website. If you're too weak to do what you're not supposed to, what is it to me?

you can't get on a forum, complain about your fear's, have an actual legitimate excuse not to get it, and then say you're protecting you kid's when you have a legitimate way out. you wan't to travel, instead of thinking about consequences. real life is different than words, and I'm not concerned with what you do. do your research. people who were perfectly healthy died from getting the vaccine, Therefore, people who did not contract a virus during a "pandemic" who were in perfectly good health did not get a vaccine, they got something that instead killed them. that is called foolishness, in your case, it's just illogical.

 

[tryphena rose]

Okay. This thread has run its course.

I am getting the vaccine. My kids are more important than some supposed conspiracy or trial of the mark.

Seems to me you don't take the possibility of any of this leading to the mark seriously enough. Which for any Christian, I think is a big problem.

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:37

In the end times, you may even have to witness your own children die if you are to follow Christ to the end. Christians all around the world suffer this kind of persecution already, believers losing their homes, their spouse, their children, all for Christ's names sake. But we're too spoiled and comfortable in America to ever believe that would happen in our country. Jesus is coming soon. Stay vigilant, stay sober and let GOD be true, and every man a liar.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Seems to me you don't take the possibility of any of this leading to the mark seriously enough. Which for any Christian, I think is a big problem.

"He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:37

In the end times, you may even have to witness your own children die if you are to follow Christ to the end. Christians all around the world suffer this kind of persecution already, believers losing their homes, their spouse, their children, all for Christ's names sake. But we're too spoiled and comfortable in America to ever believe that would happen in our country. Jesus is coming soon. Stay vigilant, stay sober and let GOD be true, and every man a liar.

This is sober advice, but I'm not going to let christians die.

 

[tryphena rose]

Culture back then isn't exactly the same as now.
We aren't loving one another to allow most of society to be bullied and tortured to protect less than 1% of the population from a possible death of Covid. The quality of life isn't considered at all in the political decisions of most governments as it trades the dwindling years of the elderly for a year of 100 times the young, their best years are forfeit to save perhaps a dozen years of a man whose best years have passed decades ago.
Children who aren't used to being treated almost like criminals have had to live a year of torture because of political government decisions.
When I was a kid and got in trouble I wasn't allowed to play with my friends (social distance anyone) I was grounded and had to stay indoors even grounded to my room (lockdown) and was not allowed to participate in social events if I was truly bad (shutdown businesses and events). I even made my parents mad enough that they didn't want to see my face (masks) for the rest of the day even.
So in a sense this covid crap has children treated like criminals and they did NOTHING wrong.
The problem is wisdom, some people have it most in government are lemmings IMO.

But where in the Bible does it say to stand up for one's own rights under a tyrannical government? I read many testimonies about people who risk their lives every day just by being Christian who do obey the government as much as possible, even with how evil their government may be. Yet, they defy the government to meet with other believers in under ground churches or to distribute Bibles or to even just tell someone else the Gospel. I think this is the fight God has called us to. I like conservatism, but I often think many conservatives are conservative first and Christian second.

I agree with you that what America has gone through the past year is not good, however I would hardly call it persecution. I think American Christians have yet to really suffer and endure trials for Christ names sake.

 

[tryphena rose]

This is sober advice, but I'm not going to let christians die.

Christians die all the time from persecution and God says this:

"Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:12

Those who suffer for Christ, great is their reward. Revelation talks about Christians being beheaded for their faith. I know if I had to watch my husband die a horrible death for the sake of Christ, then who am I to stop that when I know what the scriptures say? My home is not this earth, it's with Jesus.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

But where in the Bible does it say to stand up for one's own rights under a tyrannical government? I read many testimonies about people who risk their lives every day just by being Christian who do obey the government as much as possible, even with how evil their government may be. Yet, they defy the government to meet with other believers in under ground churches or to distribute Bibles or to even just tell someone else the Gospel. I think this is the fight God has called us to. I like conservatism, but I often think many conservatives are conservative first and Christian second.

I agree with you that what America has gone through the past year is not good, however I would hardly call it persecution. I think American Christians have yet to really suffer and endure trials for Christ names sake.

Listen, I've done my research and between the aaas article about microneedle's and vaccine registration via a scanable mark, and bill Hate's, and the minsk agreement, which biden is heavily trying to enforce, which is a crytocurrency agreement about buying, selling, and trading, and where:

1. lucent technologie's developed a limbo-os, the same people who developed the implantable microchip that specifically has programming syntax such as:

adt: a and adt: b

and bitcoin tranctions are used with:

Pk (a) and pk( b)
for buyer and seller, It's obvious that they are trying to Institute the mark of the beast. Don't go to hell.they are after all free-mason those who oppose The Bible, ya know'.first it's vaccine, then it's global currency system with an implantable microchip. look up google patent WO2020060606a1, 2020 is when everything became screwed up, and the new world order wanted to throw people into hell, first it was science and progressive technology, just so they were able to move The Bible God's Word out of the way, and now they're getting ready to destroy people. listen to a goverment that's wanting to kill me? Nah, no, and it's ridiculous The Bible contains a verse that wasn't even in the original Septuigent (Bible.) Never said obey the goverment, It Said Obey God and God's Law.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

My husband and I just moved from Cali to Idaho a few months ago and I do have to say I never once saw a check point. We drove through Cali, Nevada and Idaho and were able to move freely within those states. I guess it probably depends on the state as well I assume.

There aren’t any checkpoints in NY either, nor were there. I crossed state lines daily with no issues. Somebody is being a smidge dramatic.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

I think this is a but off topic, but, I'm sure satan want's and Love's the idea of Christian martyrdom, for the simple reason it gets them and The Gospel out of the way. Sure, observer's see a Christian beheaded, but when has that ever changed anybody throughout the course of history of a civilization? Throughout The Bible, God saved all those people who people Tried to kill, I doubt God wants people to be martyred.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Christians die all the time from persecution and God says this:

"Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Matthew 5:12

Those who suffer for Christ, great is their reward. Revelation talks about Christians being beheaded for their faith. I know if I had to watch my husband die a horrible death for the sake of Christ, then who am I to stop that when I know what the scriptures say? My home is not this earth, it's with Jesus.

I think this is a but off topic, but, I'm sure satan want's and Love's the idea of Christian martyrdom, for the simple reason it gets them and The Gospel out of the way. Sure, observer's see a Christian beheaded, but when has that ever changed anybody throughout the course of history of a civilization? Throughout The Bible, God saved all those people who people Tried to kill, I doubt God wants people to be martyrd.

 

[tryphena rose]

There aren’t any checkpoints in NY either, nor were there. I crossed state lines daily with no issues. Somebody is being a smidge dramatic.

That is what I assumed for the most part. I don't know if you're calling me dramatic, and if you were then I wasn't originally the one to mention the checkpoints throughout the country. In fact, I refuted it with my own personal experience.