The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

[prodromos]

I don't recall you getting me three day and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

I'll repeat it for you.
Synecdoche.

That's the fifth time I've explained it in this thread, yet you continue in denial.

 

[klutedavid]

If you don't recognize the time of the lamb sacrifice it's because you don't want... to.

Ex 12:5-18
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Shall kill it in the EVENING, on the 14th Nissan. That was the 'preparation'. At sunset on that day would begin the 15th Nisan, the time when they were to eat the passover.

So what don't you understand that the lamb sacrifice had to happen first before eating it?

Ex. 12:8
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.


As Bullinger showed also...

"That the first day of each of the three feasts, Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles, was "a holy convocation", a "sabbath" on which no servile work was to be done. See Lev. 23:7, 24, 35. Cp. Ex. 12:16.

"That Sabbath" and the "high day" of John 19:31, was the "holy convocation", the first day of the feast, which quite overshadowed the ordinary weekly sabbath.

It was called by the Jews Yom tov ( = Good day), and this is the greeting on that day throughout Jewry down to the present time.

This great sabbath, having been mistaken from the earliest times for the weekly sabbath, has led to all the confusion."

John 19:14
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, 'Behold your King!'
KJV

John 19:30-31
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
KJV

Like I said, if you can't see that it's because you don't want... to see it, but just want to argue! And the more you refuse to read the simple Scripture the more you show rebellion against God's Word.

It is not that I don't want to see it. It's because it is not there.

Here are the verses cited by Bullinger.

Where does it say 'Sabbath day'?

Where does it say 'preparation day'?

Leviticus 23:7
On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.

Leviticus 23:24
Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.

Leviticus 23:35
On the first day is a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work of any kind.

Exodus 12:16
On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you.

 

[klutedavid]

Full story concerning Jesus raisning on Sunday Morning right here, in detail...Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

You still can't get three days and three night from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

So you accept that Jesus rose on Sunday before dawn?

That demolishes a Wednesday burial.


I don't need to get three full days and nights. Jesus rose on the third day and not after three days and three nights.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because I'm a little shock at how plain something can be. Daniel spoke of the event of the Messiah and broke down something that actually happen and you can't see that. The mist of the week is a literal week concerning the Messiah. The animal sacrifices Jesus cause to cease, the veil in the temple rent from top to bottom. I show you that. Daniel told you that! The other weeks and years Daniels talks about is another time frame, before Daniel time and after. That's why I didn't quote the other parts of Daniel.

You don't believe Jesus was in the grave for three days and three nights, you don't believe what Daniel prophecy, concerning the Messiah. Those two are main ingredients to the sign Jesus gave, three days and three nights, as the prophet Jonas. Once a person start throwing parts of the book out, or don't believe this or that, then what's left.

So everything are weeks of years except that? How convenient! You can't just rip one passage out of context and say it means something else just to try and prove your point! You do not believe He rose on the third day as He said and the true timeline the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus give walking with Him?

 

[prodromos]

I'm starting to think Bro.T is a troll with his constant repetition of debunked claims.

 

[Bro.T]

So everything are weeks of years except that? How convenient! You can't just rip one passage out of context and say it means something else just to try and prove your point! You do not believe He rose on the third day as He said and the true timeline the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus give walking with Him?

Jesus says in Luke 24: 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

So you do think Jesus died in a real week. What type of week you think Jesus died in. I never told you I didn't believe in the the third day, I said you have the nights also. Three days and three nights. From Good Friday to Sunday Morning. I already prove you can't get it. In Mark 16: 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: (5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,


(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.




I have more places to go to prove my points. Jesus was risen or gone, way before Sunday Morning. You still can't get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

 

[Bro.T]

So you accept that Jesus rose on Sunday before dawn?

That demolishes a Wednesday burial.


I don't need to get three full days and nights. Jesus rose on the third day and not after three days and three nights.

Read it slowly!! With understanding, if thou have it.

In Mark 16: 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: (5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,


(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.


Three places in the Bible saying the same thing, Jesus was gone or risen before Sunday Morning.

And you still can't get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

 

[Bro.T]

You stand self accused. You ignore the multiple times Jesus said He would rise ON the third day

You desperate, you starting to lie. Jesus (Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So we are going to pretend Jonas wasn't in the belly of a whale. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three night. (Jonas 1:17)

I said you have to have both, three days and three nights. This is your sign from God (Jesus) the Christ! Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body.


You still can't get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

 

[Davy]

I didn't realise you considered Bullinger as Scripture.
Where do the Scriptures (or any Jewish source for that matter) state that there was a "day of preparation" before the feast of unleavened bread?

That's a lie. Will you say anything just to try and get your way?

The requirements for the passover are written in The Old Testament which I showed, and Bullinger showed. You are making up a lie by making the false claim that I consider Bulliger's comments as Scripture. May God rebuke you!

 

[Davy]

Exodus 12:16
On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you.

You quoted it. That holy assembly when NO WORK shall be done is a sabbath rest. Just not the regular weekly sabbath.

 

[prodromos]

That's a lie. Will you say anything just to try and get your way?

It was irony, but it inadvertently showed you have difficulty recognising literary devices, so I can better understand why you can't recognise "three days and three nights" as synecdoche.

The requirements for the passover are written in The Old Testament which I showed, and Bullinger showed. You are making up a lie by making the false claim that I consider Bulliger's comments as Scripture. May God rebuke you!

The Scriptures quoted do not support what Bullinger claimed and create more problems which neither he nor you have attempted to deal with. I have asked you several times about the myrrh bearing women inexplicably doing nothing on Friday when they could have anointed Christ's body. You haven't answered because you cannot answer.

You quoted it. That holy assembly when NO WORK shall be done is a sabbath rest. Just not the regular weekly sabbath.

No work except that they can cook their food, so it is less than the weekly Sabbath and does not "quite overshadow" the weekly Sabbath as Bullinger claimed. It also means there is no "day of preparation" as there is for the weekly Sabbath, since they do not have to prepare the next day's food ahead of time.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus says in Luke 24: 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

So you do think Jesus died in a real week. What type of week you think Jesus died in.

I have more places to go to prove my points. Jesus was risen or gone, way before Sunday Morning. You still can't get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

We have already shown you that your timeline is completely wrong. You will not listen. You keep repeating your incorrect timeline. Just because 1+2+3=6, 3+3+1 does not mean it equals 6 too. A week is 7 days...when was man made? When was the Sabbath? What day was the 1st day of the week? Sure He rose before Sunday dawn. I never said otherwise! He rose sometime after the Sabbath sunset and Sunday dawn..

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You quoted it. That holy assembly when NO WORK shall be done is a sabbath rest. Just not the regular weekly sabbath.

It says "Mikra" not "Shabbat"...Yom Kippur IS a Sabbath day and it says it is in Leviticus 16:31

 

[klutedavid]

You quoted it. That holy assembly when NO WORK shall be done is a sabbath rest. Just not the regular weekly sabbath.

The text does not say, 'sabbath rest'. Sure it is a holiday (no work) of course, but it is not called a sabbath day.

No matter how you stretch that verse (Exodus 12:16), God did not call it a sabbath, nor will we.

You cannot be corrected. When you see the phrase 'no laborious work', or the phrase 'a day of rest'. You automatically call it a sabbath day.

 

[klutedavid]

Read it slowly!! With understanding, if thou have it.

In Mark 16: 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. 5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

(Luke 24:1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. (2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. (3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. (4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: (5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? (6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,


(John 20:1) The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. (2) Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.


Three places in the Bible saying the same thing, Jesus was gone or risen before Sunday Morning.

And you still can't get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Sunday Morning!

I understand those verses. Jesus rose before sunrise on Sunday morning. Jesus rose early on the first day!

Mark 16:9
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week.

Jesus rose sometime after sunset on Saturday. Jesus had probably a twelve hour period within which He rose from the tomb. Mary arrived at sunrise or just before.

MORNING IS FROM MIDNIGHT TO NOON.

 

[The Liturgist]

I'll repeat it for you.
Synecdoche.

That's the fifth time I've explained it in this thread, yet you continue in denial.

Perhaps if you expounded upon the concept of a synecdoche and how, as we both agree, that concept, the synecdoche applies here, it could be broadly edifying for other readers. I would do it except it would call to memory the film Synecdoche, New York and send me into chuckles.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Well you are wrong. If you are not interested in learning so be it!

I am not wrong - you are!
Learning from who ? You ? - definitely not !!!

 

[Sheila Davis]

I suspect that you misunderstood me. I was not referring to Jesus' name in Hebrew, I was referring to one of the CF members you have been arguing with on this thread.
@Yeshua HaDerekh is a Jew, and both you and Davy have been claiming that he, a Jew, does not know or understand Jewish customs.

 

[Sheila Davis]

Scripture talks about those who say they are Jews and are not. Scripture talks about Jerusalem being trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles end. A article written in 2014 of a DNA study done of the modern-day Jews - a large percentage of them have German, and Flemish, ancestry. I cannot take what is said on social media by anyone as fact about anybody. And if he was born in Israel or carry a name doesn't make him knowledgeable of the ancient Hebrew customs. Far too many people in this world believe what they believe and will stand on what they believe is being right. One reason why we have so many different denominations and even denominations within denominations. I believe Myles Munroe and the late Pastor Arnold Murray - Dr. Hugh Ross - Dr. Cruise - The Wigging's Ministry - Ministries I have studded with throughout the decades who have done their research.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I am not wrong - you are!
Learning from who ? You ? - definitely not !!!

Well yes you are wrong. Have already proven it. The Sabbath ends just after sunset on Saturday when 3 stars are seen...anytime after that is considered as Sunday...they came early Sunday morning around dawn and He was gone. So He resurrected sometime during the night on Sunday. Do you know what "boker tov" means? How about "laylah tov" or "erev tov"?