Do we humans disprove evolution?

[driewerf]

Humans are so different from any other creature that the idea we evolved is laughable. We are created in the image of God, even though that image has been distorted by sin.

There is no sin.

 

[klutedavid]

Disprove evolution.

I am just a skeptical person. Evolution is one scientific theory that I have trouble with.

 

[klutedavid]

There is no sin.

When Islamic extremists detonate a bomb in a school yard. In my book that is sin. An offense to both God and man.

 

[klutedavid]

You know, you saying "get some experience in life" really just reads to me as you admitting that you can't make an attempt to try and say that I'm in the wrong.

You have your experiences, I have mine. My father was a policeman, ex-policeman now, and he's seen some of the horrible things people do. Heck, when I was younger, we had to look after some kids from a neighbour because their parents were having a VERY bad dispute and the police had to be called. I've had people murdered in my hometown in places no less than a 10 minute walk from where I live. I've seen gang violence and the after effects of drug and alcohol abuse from people in my hometown.
And yet I still look at the world as a place filled with nice people and beauty. Because I'm not a nihilist.

Nihilism is a philosophy, or family of views within philosophy, expressing some form of negation towards life or towards fundamental concepts such as knowledge, existence, and the meaning of life. (wikipedia)

I would not see my viewpoint as nihilistic. History dictates my view of humanity.

I must admit, I did not view people at 27 years old in the same way that I view them now.

Sure you have some experience but you remain true to yourself. When you can see the person in the mirror as the one with the issues. Then you will see more clearly that mankind is flawed and selfish.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Was that you!?

Not funny.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Nihilism is a philosophy, or family of views within philosophy, expressing some form of negation towards life or towards fundamental concepts such as knowledge, existence, and the meaning of life. (wikipedia)

I would not see my viewpoint as nihilistic. History dictates my view of humanity.

I must admit, I did not view people at 27 years old in the same way that I view them now.

Sure you have some experience but you remain true to yourself. When you can see the person in the mirror as the one with the issues. Then you will see more clearly that mankind is flawed and selfish.

I call your world view nihilistic because that is how you see it. You refuse to accept that mankind is capable of doing good things. History dictates me view of humanity in that for every negative aspect of human nature we see, we also see a positive aspect of human nature at the fore too.

I honestly don't give a fart that you are 70 years old, that does not mean that you are right. I have issues, everyone does. But it is not a personal issue when I say that there is some good in this world. It is a fact.

 

[Larniavc]

The dog knows my room is off limits but that does not stop him coming in at times.

The most likely reason for this is the mut does not see you are higher than him on the household hierarchy.

 

[Astrid]

I am just a skeptical person. Evolution is one scientific theory that I have trouble with.

I had trouble with the violin. Takes time study and willingness
to try.

 

[Aussie Pete]

The most likely reason for this is the mut does not see you are higher than him on the household hierarchy.

He does when it comes to food time. He becomes a snivelling wretch if I forget to feed him.

 

[Aussie Pete]

There is no sin.

That's a sensible answer from an atheist. Most atheists boast about how moral they are. There is no morality in atheism because there is no standard by which to judge.

 

[Frank Robert]

I am just a skeptical person. Evolution is one scientific theory that I have trouble with.

Being skeptical is good, it is skepticism that drives science to develop and test hypothesis that better explain the evidence and to make predictions.

 

[Astrid]

That's a sensible answer from an atheist. Most atheists boast about how moral they are. There is no morality in atheism because there is no standard by which to judge.

That is an uncharitable thing to say with an unfortunate tinge of
stereotype and assumingbthe worst of people you don't know or
understand. May I please?

Speaking for myself as nobody represents all atheists.


"No such thing as sin" just means not accepting the biblical
notion of sin being anything a non existent deity does not like,
all of that.
Obviously there are wrongs, great and small.

"Most atheists boast" has no evidence in fact and appears to
only serve to insult with a claim of hypocrisy. It is said to be a sin to bear false
witness etc. You may wish to retract that.

As for the lack of moral principles, we could cite your Catholic
mafia or the inquisition etc and blah if we want to get tiresome
about how people don't necessarily live up to standards.

For myself, I was raised in a home was taught as we are in my
culture, the same principles of morality that Christians are taught.

I don't need a threat or promise to adhere to the morality
I believe in. Why would I think anything would be worth
the disgrace of betraying myself, my mom and all my
ancestors?

I hope you will try to understand others who don't think
as you do , and not assume that makes them your moral
inferior.

 

[Frank Robert]

That's a sensible answer from an atheist. Most atheists boast about how moral they are. There is no morality in atheism because there is no standard by which to judge.

How do you define morality? Religions and philosophies throughout ages have had many definitions. My favorite is the eight-fold path of Buddhism which
consists of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union').

I also like the 19 chapter of the Tao Te Ching:

Behave simply and hold on to purity.
Lessen selfishness and restrain desires.

 

[Astrid]

Being skeptical is good, it is skepticism that drives science to develop and test hypothesis that better explain the evidence and to make predictions.

Yep, and the challenge is always to be most skeptical
of ones self and cherished beliefs, this being key
to intellectual honesty.

Unfortunately, religions tend to do the opposite.

"Faith", as in hold fast to beliefs despite
any and all evidence to the contrary is held
as a highest virtue!

 

[Astrid]

How do you define morality? Religions and philosophies throughout ages have had many definitions. My favorite is the eight-fold path of Buddhism which
consists of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi (histmeditative absorption or union').

I also like the 19 chapter of the Tao Te Ching:

Behave simply and hold on to purity.
Lessen selfishness and restrain desires.

My Mom called herself a jack- Buddhist, and I was raised
among Buddhists and teachings such as you list.
They are not so different from Christian teachings, are they?

 

[Aussie Pete]

How do you define morality? Religions and philosophies throughout ages have had many definitions. My favorite is the eight-fold path of Buddhism which
consists of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union').

I also like the 19 chapter of the Tao Te Ching:

Behave simply and hold on to purity.
Lessen selfishness and restrain desires.

The only true morality is God's standard. No one can live up to it, hence the need for salvation. Who decides what is "right"? I'm nearly 70. In my lifetime, morality in the West has become a joke. People call what is evil good and condemn those who dare to contradict them. Do we change morals like we change a pair of socks? We we ditch standards when they go out of fashion? I don't believe so, but I'm in the minority these days.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you define morality?

Man's relation to God.

(I define ethics as man's relation to man.)

My favorite is the eight-fold path of Buddhism which consists of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union').

This from a man who abandoned his wife and child?

I also like the 19 chapter of the Tao Te Ching:

Behave simply and hold on to purity.

Then you should REALLY like this one:

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[AV1611VET]

They are not so different from Christian teachings, are they?

Buddhism: If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.
Christianity: Thou shalt not kill.

 

[Frank Robert]

The only true morality is God's standard. No one can live up to it, hence the need for salvation. Who decides what is "right"?

There are thousands of versions of deities each with many believers who believe that they were blessed by being born to true believers.

I'm nearly 70. In my lifetime, morality in the West has become a joke. People call what is evil good and condemn those who dare to contradict them. Do we change morals like we change a pair of socks? We we ditch standards when they go out of fashion? I don't believe so, but I'm in the minority these days.

There are many bad people in the world, there are also many good people in the world. Consider yourself blessed that you wish to live morally.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Yep, and the challenge is always to be most skeptical
of ones self and cherished beliefs, this being key
to intellectual honesty.

Unfortunately, religions tend to do the opposite.

"Faith", as in hold fast to beliefs despite
any and all evidence to the contrary is held
as a highest virtue!

The Christian definition of faith is not what most people think. It is a result of receiving spiritual truth. For that you need spiritual eyesight and spiritual ears. Faith is based on something concrete, which is God's word. Faith is central to Christianity. In this sense, seeing is believing. The problem with the sceptics is that they do not have spiritual eyes and ears so they falsely reject the truth.