Hi there!
So I am just wondering where you stand on this: its basically a question aimed at whether the working component of Evolution ("mutation") is able to be polarized, or not? Like when you are in a car, you say "if I can turn left, I can turn right" - the whole premise of steering is not that you travel in one direction, just making changes in how wide or how far around the circle you go, but actually keeping your focus, and going. The thing is that the selection pressure here, is ubiquitous and needs to be addressed - selection pressures do not wait for the right moment; even an engine can rev or brake.
If selection pressures do not wait for the right moment, there must be some sort of principle, that drives Evolution on. A planet of species that all choose the exact same adaptation are going to wipe themselves out, by consuming resources, each other and any leadership that could lead them out of such a predicament. For every one of us that buys a fossil fuel guzzling car, we are that much closer to polluting the only planet we have? It's a problem, right? Like how do we make sense of the selection pressures we even are bringing on ourselves? An Evolutionist will say "we always were going to discover fossil fuels! we always were going to make cars that pump out pollution!" but that's not fair! I don't want to persist with an old model car until something similar comes out, I want the next model to be far and above the selection pressure that pollution represents. Having the mentality that mutation puts selection pressure in focus, doesn't make sense, if the steering is locked in to 'turning left' - wouldn't you want to unlock the steering, first?
The point of all this, is that there is a divine order, which things are created in and an obstacle at one level, has many solutions above and below. How is it possible, that Creation not proceed by accident? Because adaptations do not happen in a vacuum - the adaptation that creates left and right handed steering, happens because the same design can be used to define each alternative. A car with a missing wheel, needs to use the spare; a car, in the rain, needs some of the power of the car, to move its window wipers. Each step in the car's Evolution, is advanced by carefully calculated adjustments to the overall design. If a lock on the car door doesn't work, you don't through out the door, you throw out the lock!
So we come to the premise of the mutation, and we ask "what mutation as a rule, doesn't simply spread?" and "how is spreading simply good??" The answer is that you can do more than make left hand turns, hoping one of them comes to be right hand turning, and you can also determine - from the design - whether or not the steering wheel needs to be replaced. If the car used to be able to steer right, but now does not: you can change the steering wheel. The mutation that spreads beyond its usefulness, can be retracted. The cancer that would have developed from a mutation, can be made to decay! Can you evolve, while in a "state of decay"? Evidently you don't; evidently the design you had already, prior to any changes, is far more important, even across generations, given that you need to know how to proceed without a "state of decay" taking over!
So mutations can go back and forth, we've established that? We understand that the body is a design in flux, for which things can add or subtract strength, difference, precision? The car that can turn left and right, eclipses those that need to spend the whole time perfecting a single turn. This is called a micro-leap, a change in design functionality that does not undo the development of the species' design - but rather encourages parallel adaptations to function together, until the greater flourishing of the creature becomes the heart's cry of a generation, for adaptations like that, in the generations to come. That is true Evolution, not adaptation for the moment, but for the lifespan of each successive generation. This too has a name, but I reserve the place of the Holy Spirit, to unite both it and micro-leaps.
The point being, that successive micro-leaps, have nothing to do with the level above by which they are incorporated into successive generations. A micro-leap may benefit one generation or many, but never all - in principle - since the premise on which all of them are made is "rest". The car that has the airbag, still has the seatbelt - it's possible for many mutations to be tried and tested, without discarding the adaptations which consistently appear to be invoked by them; as long as you are not forced to continue making left turns, the initial attempt to turn a little left, can be moderated by successful adaptation of the right hand turn and then a variation thereof, for both left and right. If all you do is switch at random to developing right hand turns, the association with the left, will be lost! There is no selection pressure, that tells the whole story - at some point you have got to go with your gut and be humble, not proud, of how far you have come.
I get that you don't want to be told to make your "Evolution" 'work', "or make way for something else, besides 'Evolution'" but I have set out as simply as seemed to make sense to me, that injudicious response to "Evolution: the theory" will not save you, in the way you think it does. You have to accept that at times, the greater good of the whole, is a better bet than hammering away at an ever more fragile, pre-extant shot at survival that doesn't keep it's bearings. You were there, in the beginning, you remember how hard it was to keep going while God shaped your "clay" - right? That's what I am getting at: there is a master-design that unites all other designs; a master-design that is stronger maintaining the path it walked in the beginning, than swerving to accomodate more and more dissipation - as if the right level of dissipation can only ever be good?
The right level of dissipation, is something you can commit to the Holy Spirit, but if you will not hear spiritual advice, what hope is there for you and your theory? I put it to you that you have not yet reckoned with God as to what "Evolution" you have got and what relationship to the "Master Design" it has - but if you will pray to God, to uphold His Spirit in you, your accountability to Him, will deliver both you and your design!
Your thoughts?
So I am just wondering where you stand on this: its basically a question aimed at whether the working component of Evolution ("mutation") is able to be polarized, or not? Like when you are in a car, you say "if I can turn left, I can turn right" - the whole premise of steering is not that you travel in one direction, just making changes in how wide or how far around the circle you go, but actually keeping your focus, and going. The thing is that the selection pressure here, is ubiquitous and needs to be addressed - selection pressures do not wait for the right moment; even an engine can rev or brake.
If selection pressures do not wait for the right moment, there must be some sort of principle, that drives Evolution on. A planet of species that all choose the exact same adaptation are going to wipe themselves out, by consuming resources, each other and any leadership that could lead them out of such a predicament. For every one of us that buys a fossil fuel guzzling car, we are that much closer to polluting the only planet we have? It's a problem, right? Like how do we make sense of the selection pressures we even are bringing on ourselves? An Evolutionist will say "we always were going to discover fossil fuels! we always were going to make cars that pump out pollution!" but that's not fair! I don't want to persist with an old model car until something similar comes out, I want the next model to be far and above the selection pressure that pollution represents. Having the mentality that mutation puts selection pressure in focus, doesn't make sense, if the steering is locked in to 'turning left' - wouldn't you want to unlock the steering, first?
The point of all this, is that there is a divine order, which things are created in and an obstacle at one level, has many solutions above and below. How is it possible, that Creation not proceed by accident? Because adaptations do not happen in a vacuum - the adaptation that creates left and right handed steering, happens because the same design can be used to define each alternative. A car with a missing wheel, needs to use the spare; a car, in the rain, needs some of the power of the car, to move its window wipers. Each step in the car's Evolution, is advanced by carefully calculated adjustments to the overall design. If a lock on the car door doesn't work, you don't through out the door, you throw out the lock!
So we come to the premise of the mutation, and we ask "what mutation as a rule, doesn't simply spread?" and "how is spreading simply good??" The answer is that you can do more than make left hand turns, hoping one of them comes to be right hand turning, and you can also determine - from the design - whether or not the steering wheel needs to be replaced. If the car used to be able to steer right, but now does not: you can change the steering wheel. The mutation that spreads beyond its usefulness, can be retracted. The cancer that would have developed from a mutation, can be made to decay! Can you evolve, while in a "state of decay"? Evidently you don't; evidently the design you had already, prior to any changes, is far more important, even across generations, given that you need to know how to proceed without a "state of decay" taking over!
So mutations can go back and forth, we've established that? We understand that the body is a design in flux, for which things can add or subtract strength, difference, precision? The car that can turn left and right, eclipses those that need to spend the whole time perfecting a single turn. This is called a micro-leap, a change in design functionality that does not undo the development of the species' design - but rather encourages parallel adaptations to function together, until the greater flourishing of the creature becomes the heart's cry of a generation, for adaptations like that, in the generations to come. That is true Evolution, not adaptation for the moment, but for the lifespan of each successive generation. This too has a name, but I reserve the place of the Holy Spirit, to unite both it and micro-leaps.
The point being, that successive micro-leaps, have nothing to do with the level above by which they are incorporated into successive generations. A micro-leap may benefit one generation or many, but never all - in principle - since the premise on which all of them are made is "rest". The car that has the airbag, still has the seatbelt - it's possible for many mutations to be tried and tested, without discarding the adaptations which consistently appear to be invoked by them; as long as you are not forced to continue making left turns, the initial attempt to turn a little left, can be moderated by successful adaptation of the right hand turn and then a variation thereof, for both left and right. If all you do is switch at random to developing right hand turns, the association with the left, will be lost! There is no selection pressure, that tells the whole story - at some point you have got to go with your gut and be humble, not proud, of how far you have come.
I get that you don't want to be told to make your "Evolution" 'work', "or make way for something else, besides 'Evolution'" but I have set out as simply as seemed to make sense to me, that injudicious response to "Evolution: the theory" will not save you, in the way you think it does. You have to accept that at times, the greater good of the whole, is a better bet than hammering away at an ever more fragile, pre-extant shot at survival that doesn't keep it's bearings. You were there, in the beginning, you remember how hard it was to keep going while God shaped your "clay" - right? That's what I am getting at: there is a master-design that unites all other designs; a master-design that is stronger maintaining the path it walked in the beginning, than swerving to accomodate more and more dissipation - as if the right level of dissipation can only ever be good?
The right level of dissipation, is something you can commit to the Holy Spirit, but if you will not hear spiritual advice, what hope is there for you and your theory? I put it to you that you have not yet reckoned with God as to what "Evolution" you have got and what relationship to the "Master Design" it has - but if you will pray to God, to uphold His Spirit in you, your accountability to Him, will deliver both you and your design!
Your thoughts?