Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

[Bible Highlighter]

The Bible is about one nation, Israel, but looking at Israels history is not going to tell us the age of the earth.

This is like looking at the history of America and going back to the Mayflower in 1620 instead of going back to the Native Americans who were living there at least 15,000 years ago". (Wicki)

And you say the earth is only 10,000 years old!
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And you say that a 24 hour day is not defined by an evening and morning. How would that work out for you if somebody told you to meet you on the second day in the morning? You would think thousands of years or millions? Therein lies the problem with your starting point. You are trying to cram secular Science into the Bible where it does not belong. While the Bible does not give us the exact age of the Earth, it is reasonable to assume that it is 6,000 to 10,000 years old because of the genealogy of Jesus Christ through the line of Mary. Jesus refers back to the beginning with first man and woman in Genesis chapter 2. This is the same man and woman in Genesis 1. But again, you don't like that truth so you seek to change it. Good luck with believing that way. I would rather trust God's Word instead. If I read Genesis 1 like a child, I get no impression of the Earth being created over long periods or ages. It is denial of God's miraculous power. God created everything in six literal 24 days because He is God who is all powerful. God did not need any help in trying to do His work over a long period of time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you want to know the age of the earth, we need to look at the whole world and not the birth of the Israel nation.

That does not tell us the age of the earth.
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Men are liars according to the Bible. So I would not put my trust in what men say about the age of the Earth. Yet, you have bought into their theories on the age of the Earth from your teachings in school. I would rather simply trust God's Word in what it says over what men say. When I read the Bible plainly and or normally there is no impression of millions of years taking place in the beginning. You have to twist and or distort the Bible in order to make your belief work. Again a normal day that is defined by an evening and morning in your view cannot be taken literally (When there is no indication in the Bible elsewhere of such a thing taking place). Remember, the Bible is confirmed by two or three witnesses.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@1an

What if you are wrong? How would that change your worldview?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@1an

Romans 5:12 says that death was a result of the fall of Adam.
But in order to make your view work, you have to have death before the fall because the Earth is very old. Again, you have to twist and change Romans 5:12 because it does not fit your view of Science. I would rather trust God than men.

 

[1an]

And you say that a 24 hour day is not defined by an evening and morning. How would that work out for you if somebody told you to meet you on the second day in the morning? You would think thousands of years or millions? Therein lies the problem with your starting point. You are trying to cram secular Science into the Bible where it does not belong. While the Bible does not give us the exact age of the Earth, it is reasonable to assume that it is 6,000 to 10,000 years old because of the genealogy of Jesus Christ through the line of Mary. Jesus refers back to the beginning with first man and woman in Genesis chapter 2. This is the same man and woman in Genesis 1. But again, you don't like that truth so you seek to change it. Good luck with believing that way. I would rather trust God's Word instead. If I read Genesis 1 like a child, I get no impression of the Earth being created over long periods or ages. It is denial of God's miraculous power. God created everything in six literal 24 days because He is God who is all powerful. God did not need any help in trying to do His work over a long period of time.

You are going back to the first humans in Jewish history and it only goes back so far, the same as American history only goes back about 400 years. If you stepped back and looked at the bigger picture, say for example in England you will see that go back much, much further, and that is only part of it.

4892 B.C. Adam & Eve (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:3)
4762 B.C. Seth born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:6) .
4657 B.C. Enosh born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:9) .
4567 B.C. Cainan (alt. Kenan) born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:12) .
4497 B.C. Mahalalel born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:15) .
4432 B.C. Jared born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:18) .
4270 B.C. Enoch born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/Sam Genesis 5:21) .
4205 B.C. Methuselah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70 Genesis 5:25) .
4018 B.C. Lamech born (D:Heb)(B:Heb Genesis 5:28) .
3962 B.C. Adam dies. (Genesis 5:4) .

First humans arrived in Britain 250,000 years earlier than thought
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[1an]

Men are liars according to the Bible. So I would not put my trust in what men say about the age of the Earth. Yet, you have bought into their theories on the age of the Earth from your teachings in school. I would rather simply trust God's Word in what it says over what men say. When I read the Bible plainly and or normally there is no impression of millions of years taking place in the beginning. You have to twist and or distort the Bible in order to make your belief work. Again a normal day that is defined by an evening and morning in your view cannot be taken literally (When there is no indication in the Bible elsewhere of such a thing taking place). Remember, the Bible is confirmed by two or three witnesses.

As well as being liars people can also be genuinely mistaken, including good honest people who believe the earth is only 10,000 years old, based on a very small sample of one people.
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[Bible Highlighter]

As well as being liars people can also be genuinely mistaken, including good honest people who believe the earth is only 10,000 years old, based on a very small sample.
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I think it's best that we agree to disagree in love and respect and move on, brother.
It doesn't seem like we are going to convince each other here.

May God's love shine upon you.

 

[1an]

@1an

What if you are wrong? How would that change your worldview?

If I thought like you, there would not be any prehistory and my world view would be much smaller.
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[Bible Highlighter]

If I thought like you, there would not be any prehistory and my world view would be much smaller.
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I think it is time to move on, my friend.
Blessings be unto you in the Lord.

 

[1an]

@1an

Romans 5:12 says that death was a result of the fall of Adam.
But in order to make your view work, you have to have death before the fall because the Earth is very old. Again, you have to twist and change Romans 5:12 because it does not fit your view of Science. I would rather trust God than men.

Romans 5:12 remains. Man has always been wicked from the very beginning and the message is that we are saved from the consequences of sin through faith in the eternal God, the ancient of days, the Lord Jesus Christ, and his young (according to some) world.

(The ancient of days, creating a young earth doesn't cut it.)
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[1an]

I think it is time to move on, my friend.
Blessings be unto you in the Lord.

The same from me to you.

 

[Job 33:6]

If I thought like you, there would not be any prehistory and my world view would be much smaller.
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Isn't that a crazy thought to have? It's really interesting when you put things into perspective. Could you imagine?

Maybe there would be nothing to imagine. Maybe just an absence of information. Blank.

 

[Job 33:6]

Isn't that a crazy thought to have? It's really interesting when you put things into perspective. Could you imagine?

Maybe there would be nothing to imagine. Maybe just an absence of information. Blank.

Sometimes I think about my own thoughts, And what my worldview was before I became a geologist. And it just feels blank. Kind of a scary thought really, but that's he state of some people.

 

[Job 33:6]

I remember very early on in my education, I was asked what the big bang was. And my response was that a supernova had exploded.

Sometimes it's hard to even understand, how little information I was aware of. Back then. And that was an answer I gave after attempting to study the topic.

Hard to believe how far we've come.

 

[East of Eden]

I believe God created the heavens and the earth and I'm not particularly interested in the details. I do think when He creates the new heavens and earth it won't take Him millions of years to do so.

 

[SkyWriting]

so my question is ... do we actually have any creationists posting here....

The Bible does explain a 6 day creation series, and many do hold that to be True.
Some hold it to be true, and also one of many mysteries.

 

[SkyWriting]

I believe God created the heavens and the earth and I'm not particularly interested in the details. I do think when He creates the new heavens and earth it won't take Him millions of years to do so.

lol......excellent point.

 

[roman2819]

Definition of CREATIONISM
"Creationism: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis "

For the sake of this thread - the way the Bible describes creationism in Genesis 1:3-2:4 is that in 6 evenings-and-mornings God created
the Sun
the moon,
our atmosphere,
and all life on Earth with man and all land animals created in a single "evening and morning" day 6.

So then clearly that belief in creationism is not also belief in evolutionism by any stretch and no text on evolution defines it as stated in the creationist text... "The Bible".

Since this is the "Creationism" forum ... so my question is ... do we actually have any creationists posting here - where the term is defined by that Bible definition?

(I am posting this thread because it is starting to look like there are very few if any actual creationists posting here in this forum ... as in "not a believer in evolutionism" ... is it all just evolutionists here?)

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BTW: If you are a real 7 day creation week creationist not at all trying to get evolution to cause a single celled organism to turn into a horse over millions of years of time...then:

1. Look at all the details in these two posts #1 #2 (click the links) and tell me if you find one or two objective realities there that both atheist and creationist do in fact agree to.

2. Tell me if you think it is helpful to find a few points in common and then from there move to where views start to diverge​

I am sure the creation did not just happen in six days of 24 hours each. I believe God took much time and interests to create the ecology and varieties of trees and vegetation , then design the multitude of living creatures and animals. The word "day" means "stage", But the Scripture use the word "day" because "day"t fit the prose of writing in religious manuscript, but "day" in Genesis 1 and 2 certainly does not mean a 24-hour day. In other words, "day" is figurative, not literal.

The real creation might have taken years, decades or 100s or 1000s of years. Humans are finite, we live one generation - usually less than 90 years - and we think short term. But God is timeless and HE is not rushed by time. Why would HE create millions of fauna and creatures in 6x24 hours?

Instead God take interests and pleasure to plan out and create the many varieties of fauna and vegetation. Then He designed the multitude of creatures - He took much interests and pleasure in their appearance and characteristics.

An analogy: Think of people who love to assemble models of planes, tans or figures. They wouldn't want to buy a ready all-finished models -- instead, they enjoy the processing of putting the pieces together, then paint them. Same for people that enjoy assembling a 1000-pieces jigsaw puzzle - the process takes time, it is slow, but to them it is interesting and intriguing.

 

[East of Eden]

I am sure the creation did not just happen in six days of 24 hours each. I believe God took much time and interests to create the ecology and varieties of trees and vegetation , then design the multitude of living creatures and animals. The word "day" means "stage", But the Scripture use the word "day" because "day"t fit the prose of writing in religious manuscript, but "day" in Genesis 1 and 2 certainly does not mean a 24-hour day. In other words, "day" is figurative, not literal.

The real creation might have taken years, decades or 100s or 1000s of years. Humans are finite, we live one generation - usually less than 90 years - and we think short term. But God is timeless and HE is not rushed by time. Why would HE create millions of fauna and creatures in 6x24 hours?

Instead God take interests and pleasure to plan out and create the many varieties of fauna and vegetation. Then He designed the multitude of creatures - He took much interests and pleasure in their appearance and characteristics.

An analogy: Think of people who love to assemble models of planes, tans or figures. They wouldn't want to buy a ready all-finished models -- instead, they enjoy the processing of putting the pieces together, then paint them. Same for people that enjoy assembling a 1000-pieces jigsaw puzzle - the process takes time, it is slow, but to them it is interesting and intriguing.

Your God is too small. How long will it take Him to create the new Earth? How long did it take Him to create the fishes in the miracle of the loaves and fishes? The wine at His first miracle?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I am sure the creation did not just happen in six days of 24 hours each. I believe God took much time and interests to create the ecology and varieties of trees and vegetation , then design the multitude of living creatures and animals. The word "day" means "stage", But the Scripture use the word "day" because "day"t fit the prose of writing in religious manuscript, but "day" in Genesis 1 and 2 certainly does not mean a 24-hour day. In other words, "day" is figurative, not literal.

The real creation might have taken years, decades or 100s or 1000s of years. Humans are finite, we live one generation - usually less than 90 years - and we think short term. But God is timeless and HE is not rushed by time. Why would HE create millions of fauna and creatures in 6x24 hours?

Instead God take interests and pleasure to plan out and create the many varieties of fauna and vegetation. Then He designed the multitude of creatures - He took much interests and pleasure in their appearance and characteristics.

An analogy: Think of people who love to assemble models of planes, tans or figures. They wouldn't want to buy a ready all-finished models -- instead, they enjoy the processing of putting the pieces together, then paint them. Same for people that enjoy assembling a 1000-pieces jigsaw puzzle - the process takes time, it is slow, but to them it is interesting and intriguing.

There is no shortage of posts on Christian message boards written by people who do not know even so much as the first three letters of the Hebrew alphabet yet think that they know more than hundreds of professors of Semitic languages around the world who are teaching today in seminaries and universities that are internationally known for their academic excellence. None of these professors interpret Genesis to be an accurate account of historic events but rather they teach that Genesis 1-11 is a redacted collection of epic tales, sagas, and myths/legends that are to be understood literally but not historically. This, of course, includes the interpretation of the Hebrew word יוֹם (day) in Genesis.