Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

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Religiot

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Oh, this is a supposition. Lol, And how unreasonable is it to expect me to not only read two books of the bible for one simple answer, but to expect me to read the same far fetched conclusion into what I read.

So, IOW, you got nothing to back up your claim.

Death? Hilarious, and very untruthful of you.
Firstly, I don't know what IOW means.

Secondly, you asked very directly, for me to show you, and I did: if you think it's remotely reasonable, to expect for me, or anyone, to respond by posting two thirds of Leviticus, then you're off your rocker, man, or, you're up to something sinister, like causing others to waste their time: in either case, I'm not interested.

Thirdly, the fact that you can't see it doesn't mean I didn't show you: not everyone has eyes to see.

Fourthly, you come across as a scoffer, and I don't have bible studies with scoffers.

Lastly, I've only spoken the truth to you, the fact that you don't recognize it, isn't my fault.
 
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Neither kill people, but are solely tools for people to kill people.

I'm sorry, I cannot help you.
Yes, just as people kill people, pork going into your mouth makes you unclean.

Or would make you unclean if that's what the commandment was actually about. It sounds like it isn't, based on Jesus' words.

Thank you for your concern about helping me, but I was interacting with you in the hopes of having a mutually edifying experience. I can't speak for you, but I was edified, and I thank you for that as well!

Peace be with you.
 
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Yes, just as people kill people, pork going into your mouth makes you unclean.

Or would make you unclean if that's what the commandment was actually about. It sounds like it isn't, based on Jesus' words.

Thank you for your concern about helping me, but I was interacting with you in the hopes of having a mutually edifying experience. I can't speak for you, but I was edified, and I thank you for that as well!

Peace be with you.
I'm curious: how were you edified?
 
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God didn't reject pigs! Animals that qualify as unclean, do so, not by being dirty, but by the criteria God prescribed:

The physical cleanliness of the animal has nothing to do with whether or not it qualifies as unclean. --c'mon folks, only the word of God can determine whether something is clean or unclean, and He's never talking about dirt here.

Moreover, elephants do qualify as unclean...

--IS ANYONE ACTUALLY READING THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS?!!

C'mon, people!

Where are chickens mentioned in Leviticus?
 
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You've misunderstood: it's not the corners of your hair, but your beard; and no, I do not.

"You shall not round off the hairline of your heads, nor trim the edges of your beard". Leviticus 19:27

"You are to keep My statutes. You shall not cross-breed two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment of two kinds of material mixed together." Leviticus 19:19
 
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Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. - Leviticus 19:27 KJV

You shall not round off the hairline of your heads, nor trim the edges of your beard. Leviticus 19:27 NASB
Tho I don't think you pointed this out in good spirit, I, however, like that you did, because it provides the opportunity to clarify a much confused command.

The following is what I mean:

"You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard." --Leviticus 19:27 --English Standard Version

The hair of my temples is the hair of my beard that meets the hair of my head: I don't cut it--not like the "hasidic jews"--but just the hair where it meets the hair of the head, I don't divide it; thus it makes a seamless transition from beard-hair to head-hair--it's natural; nor do I cut it at the corners of my mouth, thus it forms a seamless connection from my mustache to my cheeks, and to my chin and jaw.

The command is basic, it's effect is to have all your facial hair exposed, naturally, without cutting it at the usual places, the corners of your mouth and sideburns, which are the corners of your beard. The semantics of whether it is the corners of the head or the corners of the beard, is moot, for it is just how a man's beard grows, naturally, even if he grows little hair, it is still the same pattern.

So because of our history, I think you posted it in an attempt to show that I was wrong, yet I'm glad you did, because it has now become an opportunity to explain a seldom talked about, and greatly misunderstood passage.

He will always turn the evil for good, always. Amen.
 
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"You shall not round off the hairline of your heads, nor trim the edges of your beard". Leviticus 19:27

"You are to keep My statutes. You shall not cross-breed two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment of two kinds of material mixed together." Leviticus 19:19
...man, just post a separate reply, don't just keep editing the same one...

--so do you have a question?
 
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Tho I don't think you pointed this out in good spirit, I, however, like that you did, because it provides the opportunity to clarify a much confused command.

The following is what I mean:

"You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard." --Leviticus 19:27 --English Standard Version

The hair of my temples is the hair of my beard that meets the hair of my head: I don't cut it--not like the "hasidic jews"--but just the hair where it meets the hair of the head, I don't divide it; thus it makes a seamless transition from beard-hair to head-hair--it's natural; nor do I cut it at the corners of my mouth, thus it forms a seamless connection from my mustache to my cheeks, and to my chin and jaw.

The command is basic, it's effect is to have all your facial hair exposed, naturally, without cutting it at the usual places, the corners of your mouth and sideburns, which are the corners of your beard. The semantics of whether it is the corners of the head or the corners of the beard, is moot, for it is just how a man's beard grows, naturally, even if he grows little hair, it is still the same pattern.

So because of our history, I think you posted it in an attempt to show that I was wrong, yet I'm glad you did, because it has now become an opportunity to explain a seldom talked about, and greatly misunderstood passage.

He will always turn the evil for good, always. Amen.

You said, "You've misunderstood: it's not the corners of your hair, but your beard" so I provided scripture to clarify the matter, because I remembered it from having read Leviticus.

I see you're adding provisos to Leviticus 19:27

And what about Leviticus 19:19; no wearing garments of blended fabrics?

It seems to me if one is going to stick with obeying Leviticus 11:7, then one must stick with obeying all of the 613 laws in Leviticus. Without coming up with reasons that aren't mentioned in Leviticus as being exceptions to the Law.
 
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Why are you getting personal and taking things personally?
I'm being truthful, and taking things as they are: people on this post don't know all the evil you spoke about me on another thread, so I mentioned it, so they wouldn't think I was being short to you without cause.

You have yet to apologize, so why should I even bother to respond to anything you say?
 
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Do you think they are not?
I haven't done a ton of research into it, but to my knowledge, at this point it's hard to be sure of the identities of a lot of the birds mentioned. I don't really know, although I'd like to.
 
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I'm being truthful, and taking things as they are: people on this post don't know all the evil you spoke about me on another thread, so I mentioned it, so they wouldn't think I was being short to you without cause.

You have yet to apologize, so why should I even bother to respond to anything you say?

"Why are you getting personal and taking things personally?" was a draft carryover error I have since cleaned up. Sorry for the confusion.

And I apologize for any evil I spoke about you in another thread. If I sin against you in the future please bring it to my attention per Matthew 18:15-17
 
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I haven't done a ton of research into it, but to my knowledge, at this point it's hard to be sure of the identities of a lot of the birds mentioned. I don't really know, although I'd like to.
 
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Firstly, I don't know what IOW means.

Secondly, you asked very directly, for me to show you, and I did: if you think it's remotely reasonable, to expect for me, or anyone, to respond by posting two thirds of Leviticus, then you're off your rocker, man, or, you're up to something sinister, like causing others to waste their time: in either case, I'm not interested.

Thirdly, the fact that you can't see it doesn't mean I didn't show you: not everyone has eyes to see.

Fourthly, you come across as a scoffer, and I don't have bible studies with scoffers.

Lastly, I've only spoken the truth to you, the fact that you don't recognize it, isn't my fault.

You didn't show me anything but an opinion derived from the bible. I can do just as you did and make the bible say just about anything I want it too.

Leviticus 24:17 ESV
Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death

That is the bible giving the penalty for murder, now, with that type simplicity in mind, show me where the bible says outright and simply that death is the penalty for eating unclean foods.

The penalties for certian sins are spoken out right, and no one had go through all that you did to understand those penalties. Why? Because God is very clear with his instruction/word, and it is only man who perverts that word with long winded explanations reading something into the bible instead of out of the bible.

But if its easier for you to excuse yourself by blaming me for being a scoffer (I scoff at everything untrue) that would be exactly what I would expect from someone who cannot back up their claim.
 
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I haven't done a ton of research into it, but to my knowledge, at this point it's hard to be sure of the identities of a lot of the birds mentioned. I don't really know, although I'd like to.
Yes, indeed, they are mentioned, along with every other specie, known and unknown, for God describes them to us, solely by simple criteria, to determine if they are for consumption or not.

For example, fish must have the combination of fins and scales in order for them to qualify as clean for consumption. Through the traditions of men, however, it's been added, not by God, but men, that bottom feeders are unclean as well; but this is not true: the only criteria for determination of cleanliness for consumption is whether or not they have the combination of fins and scales, period.

This is also the case for land animals, they must have the combination of cloven hoof and rumination: some key animals are given as examples, such as swine, for they have cloven feet, but do not ruminate, and the hare, for it ruminates, but does not have a cloven foot, etc.

Fowl also have a simple criteria: any that dwell in the water are unclean, and any that go on four (this is referring to their toes, like the cattle must split the hoof, birds must fly if they go on four toes), yet do not fly, are unclean: therefore, large birds, such as the ostrich, which go on two, are indeed clean. --pretty cool about the ostrich, cause that thing is a huge meat bird, along with the cassowary, etc.

Special fowl are mentioned, by categories, such as raptors, ravens, owls, etc.: they are all unclean, and easy to distinguish from other kinds of fowl, especially since God describes them generally, by kind, with examples, so that there can be no confusion.

Interestingly, chickens have been the subject of controversy amongst those who are seeking to understand, this is because of the work of man, who has inbred the chicken to such a degree, as to cause harm to it's physical attributes, namely, flying: thus, most people usually see chickens that don't fly; but that is far from the truth, they do fly, and so do turkeys, lol. (same category, by the way.)

There is much to say about the simplicity found in these commands, and how man, has through tradition, and translation, muddled the meaning of much of what is said.

Feel free to ask away.

Godspeed.
 
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