What Sabbath did Moses keep?

[guevaraj]

Not really. Who are God's Israel? God's Israel are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word according to the scriptures.

Brother, unless you live in Israel, you are not keeping the biblical Sabbath which in Israel is not a weekday like in Eden.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It has everything to do with the OP. People seem to want to think that God only has Saturday as THE SABBATH. They fail to recognize that God also commanded the Sabbath year, the year of Jubilee, as well as other specific Sabbaths other than Saturday. Which, if any, of God's Sabbaths, did Moses keep? If Moses kept these Sabbaths, do you?

God's 4th commandment is not a Jubilee

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, unless you live in Israel, you are not keeping the biblical Sabbath which in Israel is not a weekday like in Eden.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

God's people are Israel. Read the scriptures. Israel is not a place it is the people.

• Genesis 1:1-5, [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2], And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. [3], And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

[bbbbbbb]

God's 4th commandment is not a Jubilee

Neither is it the sabbatical year nor any of the other Sabbaths specifically enumerated by God. Do you believe that all of the additional Sabbaths are actually irrelevant?

 

[HARK!]

Brother, that's only true in Israel, but not in Eden, where the first Sabbath was morning to morning as Moses kept the Sabbath before God taught Israel how to remember the Eden-Sabbath in Israel.

You might want to read that passage again. That instruction was to be obeyed right away. It was not conditional of Yah's people entering the land.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Neither is it the sabbatical year nor any of the other Sabbaths specifically enumerated by God. Do you believe that all of the additional Sabbaths are actually irrelevant?

The other sabbaths are shadow sabbaths; They are not the same as God's 4th commandment and have a different purpose. There are many of them in the old covenant. Gods 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. You do know that breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin right *James 2:10-11?

 

[HARK!]

It has everything to do with the OP. People seem to want to think that God only has Saturday as THE SABBATH. They fail to recognize that God also commanded the Sabbath year, the year of Jubilee, as well as other specific Sabbaths other than Saturday. Which, if any, of God's Sabbaths, did Moses keep? If Moses kept these Sabbaths, do you?

You might want to read the OP. There are many sabbaths; but this thread is specifically about the seventh day sabbath.

I don't honor, let's say, the first day of Hag Matzot on the seventh day Shabbat; unless it happens to coincide with the seventh day Shabbat.

If you read past the title; you'll see that the topic of this thread is specifically about the seventh day Shabbat. You still haven't demonstrated specifically how other Sabbaths pertain to the topic of this thread.

 

[HARK!]

Brother, unless you live in Israel, you are not keeping the biblical Sabbath which in Israel is not a weekday like in Eden.

Moses didn't go into the land. Are you suggesting that Moses never kept the Sabbath?

 

[HARK!]

The other sabbaths are shadow sabbaths

So is the seventh day sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So is the seventh day sabbath.

No it isn't - Isaiah 66:22-23

 

[guevaraj]

You might want to read that passage again. That instruction was to be obeyed right away. It was not conditional of Yah's people entering the land.

Brother, the journey before reaching the promised land was not a place where they were going to "live". I highlight the phrase that indicates this was to begin in the promised land.

The Lord said to Moses, “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord. Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the Lord your God. Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:26-32)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

No it isn't - Isaiah 66:22-23

Let's take look at those verses.

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

In case you didn't know, the new heaven and the new earth, speaks of a future time. So does entering into his rest. Do you honor YHWH's new moons? They were also mentioned in that verse.

Let's back up a little in Isaiah, for even greater context.

(CLV) Isa 61:8
For I, Yahweh, am loving right judgment And am hating pillage by iniquity; So I will give their wage in truth, And I shall contract a covenant eonian with them.

In this verse YHWH tells Isaiah that he will contract an eternal covenant.

So there we have it. After the eternal covenant is made, Yah's people will honor his new moons and sabbaths.

Ezekiel mentions this eternal covenant too,


(CLV) Ezk 37:26
I will contract with them a covenant of peace; It shall come to be an eonian covenant with them; I will establish them and increase them; I will put My sanctuary in their midst for the eon,

Ezekiel mentions more than just the sabbath cycles being honored. He mentions the Moedim in general.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

Do you honor YHWH's Moedim?

 

[HARK!]

Brother, the journey before reaching the promised land was not a place where they were going to "live". I highlight the phrase that indicates this was to begin in the promised land.

The Lord said to Moses, “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord. Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the Lord your God. Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:26-32)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The word you are referring to is Strong's H4186.

(CLV) Ex 35:1
Then Moses assembled the whole congregation of the sons of Israel and said to them: These are the words which Yahweh instructs you to do them.

(CLV) Ex 35:2
Six days shall work be done, yet on the seventh day there shall come to be for you a holy sabbath of cessation to Yahweh. Everyone doing work on it shall be put to death.

(CLV) Ex 35:3
You shall not consume anything with fire in all your dwellings (H4186) on the sabbath day.

You do realize that Moses didn't make it into the promised land; no?

Are you suggesting that Moses didn't keep this command?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Let's take look at those verses.

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

In case you didn't know, the new heaven and the new earth, speaks of a future time. So does entering into his rest. Do you honor YHWH's new moons? They were also mentioned in that verse.

Let's back up a little in Isaiah, for even greater context.

(CLV) Isa 61:8
For I, Yahweh, am loving right judgment And am hating pillage by iniquity; So I will give their wage in truth, And I shall contract a covenant eonian with them.

In this verse YHWH tells Isaiah that he will contract an eternal covenant.

So there we have it. After the eternal covenant is made, Yah's people will honor his new moons and sabbaths.

Ezekiel mentions this eternal covenant too,


(CLV) Ezk 37:26
I will contract with them a covenant of peace; It shall come to be an eonian covenant with them; I will establish them and increase them; I will put My sanctuary in their midst for the eon,

Ezekiel mentions more than just the sabbath cycles being honored. He mentions the Moedim in general.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

Do you honor YHWH's Moedim?

So your point here is what? New moons are for times and seasons *Genesis 1:14. Why do you not think there will be times and seasons in the new heavens and the new earth? I think you missed the point though. The Sabbath is not a shadow is why Issiah 66:22-23 was quoted. We enter into God's rest today by believing and following God's Word *Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest (present tense indicative - now not in the future), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 

[HARK!]

So your point here is what? New moons are for times and seasons *Genesis 1. Why do you not think there will be times and seasons in the new heavens and the new earth? I think you missed the point though. The Sabbath is not a shadow is why Issiah 66:22-23 was quoted.

It seems that you skimmed right past YHWH's Moedim.

Paul mentions all three in this passage:


(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.

I agree with Paul; as Paul agrees with the Torah.

(CLV) Hb 3:16
For some who hear embitter Him; but not all those coming out of Egypt through Moses.

(CLV) Hb 3:17
Now with whom is He disgusted forty years? Was it not with those who sin, whose carcasses fall in the wilderness?

(CLV) Hb 3:18
Now to whom does He swear, not to be entering into His stopping, except to the stubborn?

(CLV) Hb 3:19
And we are observing that they could not enter because of unbelief.

(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

(CLV) Hb 4:2
For we also have been evangelized, even as those also. But the word heard does not benefit those hearers, not having been blended together with faith in those who hear.

(CLV) Hb 4:3
Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" although the works occur from the disruption of the world.

Do you believe that this stopping is the seventh day sabbath; or could it be that the seventh day sabbath, is a shadow of the Shabbat to come as we tabernacle with Yahshua, paralleled by the seventh Moed, Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles.)

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate the festival of booths.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It seems that you skimmed right past YHWH's Moedim.

Paul mentions all three in this passage:


(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.

I agree with Paul; as Paul agrees with the Torah.

(CLV) Hb 3:16
For some who hear embitter Him; but not all those coming out of Egypt through Moses.

(CLV) Hb 3:17
Now with whom is He disgusted forty years? Was it not with those who sin, whose carcasses fall in the wilderness?

(CLV) Hb 3:18
Now to whom does He swear, not to be entering into His stopping, except to the stubborn?

(CLV) Hb 3:19
And we are observing that they could not enter because of unbelief.

(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

(CLV) Hb 4:2
For we also have been evangelized, even as those also. But the word heard does not benefit those hearers, not having been blended together with faith in those who hear.

(CLV) Hb 4:3
Then we who believe are entering into the stopping, according as He has declared, "As I swear in My indignation, `If they shall be entering into My stopping!'" although the works occur from the disruption of the world.

Do you believe that this stopping is the seventh day sabbath; or could it be that the seventh day sabbath, is a shadow of the Shabbat to come as we tabernacle with Yahshua, paralleled by the seventh Moed, Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles.)

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

(CLV) Zch 14:16
And it will come to be that everyone left of all the nations coming against Jerusalem, they will also go up, as often as year by year, to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to celebrate the festival of booths.

Nope. Colossians 2:16 is to the "ceremonial shadow sabbaths" in the Feast days and other sabbaths of the old covenant (e.g Leviticus 23:6-8; Leviticus 23:24-25; Leviticus 23:27-32; Leviticus 23:34-36; Leviticus 23:39; Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36; Leviticus 25:2; Leviticus 25:9-54). The meat and drink offerings, the new moons are all linked to the annual Feasts and their sabbaths which are all linked together in the scripture context. These of course are not Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that is only linked to the "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation. The ceremonial shadow sabbaths were linked directly to the Feast days and pointed to things to come in the future. God's 4th commandment on the other hand points backwards to the finished work of creation *Genesis 2:1-3. That is why Gods' 4th commandment starts off. "REMEMBER" the sabbath day to keep it holy with v10 pointing backwards to the finished work of creation Genesis 2:1-3.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The other sabbaths are shadow sabbaths; They are not the same as God's 4th commandment and have a different purpose. There are many of them in the old covenant. Gods 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. You do know that breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin right *James 2:10-11?

You do know that willfully ignoring any of God's commandments (not limited to ten, by any means) is sin, right?

The question of this thread is, "What Sabbath did Moses keep?" So, did Moses only keep Saturday as his Sabbath or did he also keep all of the Sabbaths which God had commanded him to keep?

 

[guevaraj]

The word you are referring to is Strong's H4186 ... You do realize that Moses didn't make it into the promised land; no? Are you suggesting that Moses didn't keep this command?

Brother, revealed is that the Sabbaths for the festivals and celebrations were kept from evening to evening, but the weekly Sabbath, while they had manna, was kept from morning to morning. This distinction between a weekly Sabbath and the other Sabbaths made clear that these other Sabbaths were not weekdays during their journey to the promised land. At some point after the manna was no longer given, they changed the way they kept the weekly Sabbath from morning to morning to the current evening to evening observance. Now I see how important it was for God through our prophetess to confirm that the way Israel keeps the weekly Sabbath is correct for Israel. For It seems that the Bible does not give us this certainty without her.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HARK!]

Nope. Colossians 2:16 is to the "ceremonial shadow sabbaths"

Nope. Paul wasn't stuttering.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ The other sabbaths are shadow sabbaths; They are not the same as God's 4th commandment and have a different purpose. There are many of them in the old covenant. Gods 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. You do know that breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is sin right *James 2:10-11?

Your response here...

You do know that willfully ignoring any of God's commandments (not limited to ten, by any means) is sin, right? The question of this thread is, "What Sabbath did Moses keep?" So, did Moses only keep Saturday as his Sabbath or did he also keep all of the Sabbaths which God had commanded him to keep?

So you agree breaking God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is sin? Well that is a great start. Now to the rest of your post. You do know we are living in the new covenant now right and that the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sin are now fulfilled in Christ right and continued in the new covenant based on better promises ? - Hebrews 10:1-17