On Covid and Abortion

[SigurdReginson]

I've been looking at these forums for a while now, and I've noticed a bit of a pattern. Most are often times right leaning and anti abortion. Nothing wrong with those stances! We all have our opinions and points of view to draw from.

I also notice a few of the folks who hold this position can be against the idea that covid is something to take all that seriously... That the disease has only claimed the lives of less than 0.02% of the population.

I would like for folks to consider something for me... The latest numbers we have on abortions (as far as I'm aware) are that 619,591 abortions had been undertaken in 2018. That's not much more than the amount of people killed due to Covid, and that number is climbing drastically.

What makes one thing worth fighting for, but the other something to minimize? Why do these people not matter as much?

 

[Mayflower1]

Abortion takes a lot more then 0.02% of the future population.

 

[Mayflower1]

Info on abortion:

Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia

I can't speak for covid. I think a lot more people have been effected with closed down businesses and lockdowns. Docs keep changing their minds on what works and doesn't. Vaccines may help, but have horrible side effects. It is a mess. Abortion statistics are pretty set. People can die in a car crash and it be counted as a covid death, because autopsy shows a positive test. And this is .02%

 

[SigurdReginson]

Abortion takes a lot more then 0.02% of the future population.

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Per year? Not that much more, it seems. The number of abortions per year have been dropping drastically as well.

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2018

Some day herd immunity will take over and deaths will taper off... Until then we for 3000 deaths a day, though.

Again, what makes lives taken by covid worth less?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Abortion takes a lot more then 0.02% of the future population.

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Your map is misleading.
Maps of percentage of pregnancies aborted in the United States--by states

 

[SigurdReginson]

Info on abortion:

Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia

I can't speak for covid. I think a lot more people have been effected with closed down businesses and lockdowns. Docs keep changing their minds on what works and doesn't. Vaccines may help, but have horrible side effects. It is a mess. Abortion statistics are pretty set. People can die in a car crash and it be counted as a covid death, because autopsy shows a positive test. And this is .02%

If abortions ended tomorrow, do you think that wouldn't effect the logistics of our systems such as with welfare, orphanages, foster homes and the increase in homelessness (since these systems spit kids out onto the street when they reach 18)?

These things impact us one way or the other: covid and abortions.

As for car crash covid cases... You really believe a large portion of our covid death statistics are due to things like car crashes? Like... I know there are places that inflate their deaths, but there are also places that try to hide their covid positive deaths as well.

Florida, Arizona, and Georgia Have Sidelined Their Coronavirus Data and Experts

I feel like it all evens out in the wash.

 

[Mayflower1]

World Health Organization (WHO).

According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion [1] , there are over 3,000 abortions per day. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. [2]

Abortion Statistics - Worldometer


Here are the latest statistics... Ill be careful which maps I post, but it doesn't look all that different to me. It just breaks it down by county, and is overall general representation from what I understand.

Here is my thing with covid statistics (,which I think it is very important too, people as statistics is just hard to fathom anyway).

While abortion has to be done in a clinic and so can be measured accurately, if someone dies in a crash or an older person dies, if they are tested positive for covid, it is counted as covid, correct?

 

[Mayflower1]

Per year? Not that much more, it seems. The number of abortions per year have been dropping drastically as well.

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2018

Some day herd immunity will take over and deaths will taper off... Until then we for 3000 deaths a day, though.

Again, what makes lives taken by covid worth less?

I wonder what statistics are worldwide for this.

 

[Mayflower1]

If abortions ended tomorrow, do you think that wouldn't effect the logistics of our systems such as with welfare, orphanages, foster homes and the increase in homelessness (since these systems spit kids out onto the street when they reach 18)?

These things impact us one way or the other: covid and abortions.

As for car crash covid cases... You really believe a large portion of our covid death statistics are due to things like car crashes? Like... I know there are places that inflate their deaths, but there are also places that try to hide their covid positive deaths as well.

Florida, Arizona, and Georgia Have Sidelined Their Coronavirus Data and Experts

I feel like it all evens out in the wash.

I don't know what portion it is, but I think it does throw numbers off. That said, I don't know of anyone (edit)personally who doesn't take covid seriously.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Abortion Statistics - Worldometer


Here are the latest statistics... Ill be careful which maps I post, but it doesn't look all that different to me. It just breaks it down by county, and is overall general representation from what I understand.

Here is my thing with covid statistics (,which I think it is very important too, people as statistics is just hard to fathom anyway).

While abortion has to be done in a clinic and so can be measured accurately, if someone dies in a crash or an older person dies, if they are tested positive for covid, it is counted as covid, correct?

According to what?

In the hospital I work at, covid deaths are attributed according to the patient's health history given by their care team and the coroner's report.

Not wanting to attribute a death due to covid when complications are what kills the patient are like not wanting to attribute a death due to a gunshot when they die from the complications of getting shot, and not the bullet itself.

It's the hole that the bullet leaves behind that often kills someone; not the bullet itself.

 

[Mayflower1]

Hold on. Let me try this again...

Edit: Im making all sorts of mistakes here. Im bookmarking this for a better time (kids).

Id prolly be best reading anyway. I do believe both are important. Abortion just needs to be stopped. Im unsure the best way for covid to be handled though.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Hold on. Let me try this again...

So you are comparing all abortions ever to about a years worth of reported deaths due to covid...

Comon now... Use some intellectual honesty.

Take a years worth of abortion deaths and compare that to a years worth of covid. The more recent, the more relevant.

 

[royal priest]

The issue has to do with intent to kill.
If someone doesn't wear a mask, it's not because they want to kill someone.
Besides, most people who think Covid is blown out of proportion do things to protect their neighbors anyway.

 

[Mayflower1]

So you are comparing all abortions ever to about a years worth of reported deaths due to covid...

Comon now... Use some intellectual honesty.

Take a years worth of abortion deaths and compare that to a years worth of covid. The more recent, the more relevant.

What I meant to do lol. My brain is mush. Why I deleted though.

 

[SigurdReginson]

What I meant to do lol. My brain is mush. Why I deleted though.

It's all good! When real life calls, you gotta answer.

 

[SigurdReginson]

The issue has to do with intent to kill.
If someone doesn't wear a mask, it's not because they want to kill someone.
Besides, most people who think Covid is blown out of proportion do things to protect their neighbors anyway.

Hmmm... Do you think that when people get an abortion that there is an intent to kill?

I do feel it's interesting that they feel it's blown out of proportion, when the numbers of deaths are similar to abortion, which often times these same people find is something drastically important to them.

Still, I always appreciate when folks do the right thing; even when they don't agree with things!

 

[Sparagmos]

The issue has to do with intent to kill.
If someone doesn't wear a mask, it's not because they want to kill someone.
Besides, most people who think Covid is blown out of proportion do things to protect their neighbors anyway.

I think that’s like saying a drunk driver doesn’t intend to kill. It certainly isn’t murder, but it’s homicide and the damage done is the same.

 

[Sparagmos]

Info on abortion:

Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia

I can't speak for covid. I think a lot more people have been effected with closed down businesses and lockdowns. Docs keep changing their minds on what works and doesn't. Vaccines may help, but have horrible side effects. It is a mess. Abortion statistics are pretty set. People can die in a car crash and it be counted as a covid death, because autopsy shows a positive test. And this is .02%

I think you’re posting some misinformation here. Can you give citations for ‘doctors keep changing their minds on what works," vaccines having horrible side effects, and car crash victims being counted as COVID deaths?

 

[SigurdReginson]

I think that’s like saying a drunk driver doesn’t intend to kill. It certainly isn’t murder, but it’s homicide and the damage done is the same.

Hmmm... But does the person who refuses to wear a mask intend to kill when they infect someone with an immuno deficiency disorder who succumbs to the illness because they didn't wear a mask and social distance? Doesn't seem that different to me...

I guess when it boils down to it, every thing we do has consequences. When we know better, we understand and live with those consequences.

 

[Mayflower1]

I think you’re posting some misinformation here. Can you give citations for ‘doctors keep changing their minds on what works," vaccines having horrible side effects, and car crash victims being counted as COVID deaths?

I think my issue is having time and the fact this all scares me to the core. I should prolly not post info. Covid19 has taken the very life as we have known it and shaken all that. The statistics might just be as close as the op says. I really don't know. But both are wrong. People shouldn't be statistics, no matter the amount, but it is a sad truth.

Just that while abortion seems clear in my mind how to reduce/stop it (since abortions have lowered), covid is not.