On Covid and Abortion

[Strathos]

I made this same thread: Pro-Life, Anti-Mask?

 

[SigurdReginson]

I made this same thread: Pro-Life, Anti-Mask?

Oh interesting! I had no idea. Thanks for that!

 

[SkyWriting]

Info on abortion:

Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia

I can't speak for covid. I think a lot more people have been effected with closed down businesses and lockdowns. Docs keep changing their minds on what works and doesn't. Vaccines may help, but have horrible side effects. It is a mess. Abortion statistics are pretty set. People can die in a car crash and it be counted as a covid death, because autopsy shows a positive test. And this is .02%

No sources have claimed any unusual side effects.

 

[SkyWriting]

I've been looking at these forums for a while now, and I've noticed a bit of a pattern. Most are often times right leaning and anti abortion. Nothing wrong with those stances! We all have our opinions and points of view to draw from.

I also notice a few of the folks who hold this position can be against the idea that covid is something to take all that seriously... That the disease has only claimed the lives of less than 0.02% of the population.

I would like for folks to consider something for me... The latest numbers we have on abortions (as far as I'm aware) are that 619,591 abortions had been undertaken in 2018. That's not much more than the amount of people killed due to Covid, and that number is climbing drastically.

What makes one thing worth fighting for, but the other something to minimize? Why do these people not matter as much?

I think the question is how many people who have had an abortion
think that they should not be available.

And people who have no experience with it should not try to interfere.
As if they could follow all pregnancies.

 

[Rajni]

I've been looking at these forums for a while now, and I've noticed a bit of a pattern. Most are often times right leaning and anti abortion. Nothing wrong with those stances! We all have our opinions and points of view to draw from.

I also notice a few of the folks who hold this position can be against the idea that covid is something to take all that seriously... That the disease has only claimed the lives of less than 0.02% of the population.

I would like for folks to consider something for me... The latest numbers we have on abortions (as far as I'm aware) are that 619,591 abortions had been undertaken in 2018. That's not much more than the amount of people killed due to Covid, and that number is climbing drastically.

What makes one thing worth fighting for, but the other something to minimize? Why do these people not matter as much?

I think it's because what's commonly referred to as "pro-life" would more accurately be referred to as "pro-birth".

 

[Mayflower1]

No sources have claimed any unusual side effects.

Not unusual... Just my friends who have taken it so far have all had side effects, which is very strange to me. Ive never had any on any vaccine. It concerns me. The mrna is new and there isn't any long time evidence yet.

But listen yall. I best just watch these conversations from now on. I have meant to stay out of these things, but I see a featured thread and want to look at it. I really just need to read and not try to prove anything. I have two kids usually on me and don't think things through before I post all the time, so I don't mean to mislead or want to.

 

[royal priest]

Hmmm... Do you think that when people get an abortion that there is an intent to kill?

trigger warning
When I was sixteen years old, I encouraged my girlfriend at the time to have an abortion. When she saw the ultrasound, she changed her mind about killing the baby, but I encouraged her to go through with it because we were so young. So, there is intent to kill even on the part of the doctor as they pluck the baby from the mother's womb limb by limb.
This is different from someone who does not have Covid symptoms and thinks it's safe enough not to cover their face in a given moment.
BTW, I was not a Christian at the time of that abortion and have come to regret it as one of the greatest evils that a parent can commit.

 

[SkyWriting]

trigger warning
When I was sixteen years old, I encouraged my girlfriend at the time to have an abortion. When she saw the ultrasound, she changed her mind about killing the baby, but I encouraged her to go through with it because we were so young. So, there is intent to kill even on the part of the doctor as they pluck the baby from the mother's womb limb by limb.This is different from someone who does not have Covid symptoms and thinks it's safe enough not to cover their face in a given moment.BTW, I was not a Christian at the time of that abortion and have come to regret it as one of the greatest evils that a parent can commit.

Evil doesn't have levels. After you get that, then pet-peeve sins calm down. The youngest mother on record was less than six years old. Imagine just how that must have happened. Now think about what follows when a 6-year-old is found to be pregnant. Should we take a pole on what to do next? Are we going to take a vote down at the church? All in favor of caring for a 6 year old mother to be for 20 years, raise your hand.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not unusual... Just my friends who have taken it so far have all had side effects, which is very strange to me. Ive never had any on any vaccine. It concerns me.

All vaccines have the same side effects. One reason you haven't, is that
1. you didn't get the vaccine and
2. you never do have side effects.

Most people have the usual side effects and no unusual side effects have been claimed.

The Zoe app team from King's College London found:

• 37% experienced some local "after-effects", such as pain or swelling near the site of the injection, after their first dose, rising to about 45% of the 10,000 who had received two doses
• 14% had at least one whole-body (systemic) after-effect - such as fever, aches or chills - within seven days of the first dose, rising to about 22% after the second dose

These after-effects get better within a few days.


And all of the medical trials and real-world experiences so far suggest the vaccines are safe and effective.

 

[royal priest]

Evil doesn't have levels. After you get that, then pet-peeve sins calm down. The youngest mother on record was less than six years old. Imagine just how that must have happened. Now think about what follows when a 6-year-old is found to be pregnant. Should we take a pole on what to do next? Are we going to take a vote down at the church? All in favor of caring for a 6 year old mother to be for 20 years, raise your hand.

Let us do evil that good may abound? Doesn't the Bible have something to say about that?

 

[SkyWriting]

Let us do evil that good may abound? Doesn't the Bible have something to say about that?

I'm not in favor of abortions. But to outlaw them doesn't reduce the problems that cause them. It even makes the situation worse.
Your kind of saying "If cars drive outside any laws, the tires should melt onto the road and stay there for 20 years before they move again. This will solve the problem of speeding or wandering cars."

 

[royal priest]

I'm not in favor of abortions. But to outlaw them doesn't reduce the problems that cause them.

Legalizing murder (abortion) reduces the number of murders?

 

[SkyWriting]

Legalizing murder (abortion) reduces the number of murders?

If you insist that abortions are murder, then everyone involved must be sentenced to death. Or life in prison at least.

So is that what you are asking for? The planners, the action takers, and all supporting characters? Yes, that might reduce the total number. But you will have to raise the kids then. And pay for the many women on death row.

Even if your sister or daughter, or mother, gets knocked up and uses the morning after pill.

 

[royal priest]

I'm not in favor of abortions.

How so? Not only do you think abortions are practical, you think they are responsible and necessary.
The Bible says we are to protect and provide for the fatherless and the widow. We need God to tell us this because we have a tendency to disregard the helpless.
Concerning the OP, the reason it is important to wear a mask is the same aregument that it's important to protect your baby. No one is more dependant upon our help than the child in the womb.

 

[Rajni]

Let us do evil that good may abound? Doesn't the Bible have something to say about that?

What does the bible say about pregnant 6-year olds?

 

[NxNW]

Take a years worth of abortion deaths and compare that to a years worth of covid. The more recent, the more relevant.

Since abortion does not cause the death of a human being, the number of abortion deaths is zero.

Easy.

 

[NxNW]

trigger warning
When I was sixteen years old, I encouraged my girlfriend at the time to have an abortion. When she saw the ultrasound, she changed her mind about killing the baby...
BTW, I was not a Christian at the time of that abortion and have come to regret it as one of the greatest evils that a parent can commit.

Don't beat yourself up. It was not a baby and neither of you were parents.

 

[gaara4158]

Really great quote from a United Methodist pastor:

""The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for.

They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.

It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."

 

[royal priest]

Don't beat yourself up. It was not a baby and neither of you were parents.

Just because it's screams were blanketed by amniotic fluid while they plucked it limb by limb doesn't mean it wasn't a baby.
And we were very much exercising our parental authority when we decided her fate.

 

[Rajni]

What does the bible say about pregnant 6-year olds?

The silence in response is telling. No surprise, there.