Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Strong in Him]

He was preaching to Jews. That is in the Torah...

No, a person cannot love as Jesus loves - with divine, agape love which involves loving and dying for your enemies - unless they have first known that kind of love and received it from him.
Which means they need to believe in, accept and receive, him. Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am not going back to the old covenant. The new covenant is based on the scriptures from the old covenant and better promises in relation to forgiveness of sins and God's laws written in the heart to love. It is the old covenant laws for remission of sins that are replaced in the new covenant not all of God's laws that originated in the old covenant. This can be shown in new covenant scripture

Ok.
So we don't need to obey EVERY word that comes from the mouth of God, only those that are addressed to us.

 

[Strong in Him]

I never said it was! YOU said there were NO dietary laws for Gentiles...so I showed you some...in Acts...AND they ARE laws from Torah...well more like Noahide laws...

Yet several years later even Paul was saying it was ok to eat meat offered to idols - so they can't have been binding commandments.

 

[Servus]

Actually that is not entirely true. The Ethiopian Orthodox do not eat pork and follow a kosher diet...

Okay so that's two denominations.

No I think they did for a long while until maybe after 135 AD

Unless either you or I can cite a source for that, that's only conjecture on our parts.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok.
So we don't need to obey EVERY word that comes from the mouth of God, only those that are addressed to us.

Sure we do. That includes both old and new testament scriptures. Are you disagreeing with Jesus in Matthew 4:4 who is quoting from Deuteronomy 8:3?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, a person cannot love as Jesus loves - with divine, agape love which involves loving and dying for your enemies - unless they have first known that kind of love and received it from him.
Which means they need to believe in, accept and receive, him. Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Are you saying to love God was not in the Torah???

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yet several years later even Paul was saying it was ok to eat meat offered to idols - so they can't have been binding commandments.

Of course they were...unless you think Peter and James and John were wrong

 

[Servus]

I just quoted you scripture in the new testament that is from Gods dietary laws from Acts 15. Of course it is about if we follow Gods Word or not. You were also shown from Yeshua HaDerekh that other Christian Churches practice Gods' dietary laws. You really have no arguments now.

Yeshua HaDerekh only pointed out one other Christian denomination that adheres to a Kosher diet. So that's only two versus all the rest.

 

[1an]

No.

I don't spend my time "proving" Christians shouldn't eat pork, but if I did my main argument would be the chapters in Exodus and Leviticus.
As you are concerned about context, you should know that these laws were given to those people at that time. If you can show me where Jesus told Gentile believers "now that you follow me, have eternal life and have been set free, make sure you read the OT and put yourself under bondage to those laws", I'll read it. If you can show me where the apostles went and preached to Gentile converts "Jesus saves and sets you free, but here are the food laws you have to keep", I'll believe it.
But it's not there.

In all my 40 + years as a Christian, the Holy Spirit has shown and taught me many things and convicted me of many sins - yet eating pork/bacon has never been one of them.

Pigs clean up human waste and as a result are infested with maggots. It was very good advice at the time, and so were all similar laws.
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[LoveGodsWord]

Yeshua HaDerekh only pointed out one other Christian denomination that adheres to a Kosher diet. So that's only two versus all the rest.

Do you know what kosher is and where it comes from as a law in the old testament dietary laws? The Ethiopian Orthodox is a very old Church (2000 years) some believe having roots in Acts of the Apostles 8:26-38

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yet several years later even Paul was saying it was ok to eat meat offered to idols - so they can't have been binding commandments.

The 2000 year old Orthodox Church still adheres to them in its Canons.

The Orthodox position is that the Apostolic Council is still binding, and this includes the prohibition on eating blood. Two canonical sources which uphold the restriction of Acts 15 are:

Canon LXIII (63) of the Apostles: If any bishop, or presbyter or deacon or anyone else on the sacerdotal list at all, eat meat in the blood of its soul, or that has been killed by a wild beast, or that has died a natural death, let him be deposed. For the Law has forbidden this. But if any layman do the same let him be excommunicated.

Canon LXVII (67) from the Quinesext Council: Divine Scripture has commanded us to ‘abstain from blood, and strangled flesh and fornication’ (Gen 9:3-4, Lev 17 & 18:3, Acts 15: 28-29). We therefore suitably penance those who on account of their dainty stomach eat the blood of any animal after they have rendered it eatable by some art. If therefore anyone from now on should attempt to eat the blood of any animal in any way whatsoever, if he be a clergyman, let him be deposed from office; but if he be a layman let him be excommunicated.

 

[Servus]

Not really dear friend. There is no scripture for a change in the dietary laws of Leviticus 11:1-47 and Deuteronomy 14:1-29. Even in Acts of the Apostles 15:20 it tells new gentile believers not to eat meat with the blood in it right? Where do you think that law comes from *Deuteronomy 12:16? Do you eat red meat? If so why is the meat red? - Yep it has blood in it. So are you disregarding the scriptures and God's food laws? I have already pointed out that the bible as my source of time and evidence.

The Jews ate beef and lamb which is red meat. They also ate fowl, fowls also have blood. They also ate fish, fish also have blood. Any animal with a heart, has blood. Obviously Acts 15:20 and 29 was talking about not consuming liquid blood by itself that has been drained out of meat.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Jews ate beef and lamb which is red meat. They also ate fowl, fowls also have blood. They also ate fish, fish also have blood. Any animal with a heart, has blood. Obviously Acts 15:20 and 29 was talking about not consuming liquid blood by itself that has been drained out of meat.

You do not know what kosher meat is do you or the law that it comes from. You really did not answer any questions in the post you are quoting from. Is there a reason for this?

 

[Servus]

Do you know what kosher is and where it comes from as a law in the old testament dietary laws? The Ethiopian Orthodox is a very old Church (2000 years) some believe having roots in Acts of the Apostles 8:26-38

I was just repeating what Yeshua HaDerekh wrote.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I was just repeating what Yeshua HaDerekh wrote.

Yeshua HaDerekh said that they ate Kosher meat. He did not say they ate meat with the blood in it. I asked you if you know what that means and what law it comes from in the dietary laws of the old testament scriptures. I am still waiting for an answer. If you do not know just say so.

 

[Servus]

You do not know what kosher meat is do you or the law that it comes from. You really did not answer any questions in the post you are quoting from. Is there a reason for this?

Baloney. "You wrote Not really dear friend. There is no scripture for a change in the dietary laws of Leviticus 11:1-47 and Deuteronomy 14:1-29. Even in Acts of the Apostles 15:20 it tells new gentile believers not to eat meat with the blood in it right?"

I answered that by pointing out that all meat from animals with a heart has blood. So Acts 15:20 and 29 has nothing to do with eating meat that has blood (because that would be all meant including fish) but rather meant liquid blood.

 

[Servus]

Yeshua HaDerekh said that they ate Kosher meat. He did not say they ate meat with the blood in it. I asked you if you know what that means and what law it comes from in the dietary laws of the old testament scriptures. I am still waiting for an answer. If you do not know just say so.

I didn't understand what you're getting at, or why for that matter. So lay it on me already.

 

[prodromos]

Acts 10:9-16

The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common.” This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.​

To quote Fr Stephen De Young
"The thrust of this passage is to communicate to St. Peter that the Gentiles are no longer considered unclean, and that he can go into Cornelius’ home, and the Apostles in general can go to the Gentiles, without concern of becoming unclean through contact with Gentiles. For this imagery to work and this message to be communicated, however, the core principle, that God has now made these animals, and the Gentiles, clean has to be true. The change here is not to the status of the commandments, but to the unclean status of the Gentiles and the various animals.
Why Don't Christians Keep Kosher? - The Whole Counsel Blog

 

[1an]

The Jews ate beef and lamb which is red meat. They also ate fowl, fowls also have blood. They also ate fish, fish also have blood. Any animal with a heart, has blood. Obviously Acts 15:20 and 29 was talking about not consuming liquid blood by itself that has been drained out of meat.

Check the Bible for cloven hoof.
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[Servus]

Check the Bible for cloven hoof.
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These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud.

(oxen and cattle are the same thing ie beef)