Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Freth]

Christians are not under law but under grace. That is the basis of the New Covenant.

Romans 6 begs to differ.

1-2: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

12-16: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17-18: But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.​

• "Under the law" is simply a state of sin and condemnation by the law.
  
• "Not under the law" is a state of sanctification, which begets righteousness, from willful obedience because we love Him and want to do His will.
• Obedience does not guarantee you are saved, because grace is the gift of God to give or to take away (something Christians seem to overlook; Revelation 3:15-16, Matthew 7:23). Rather, you show that you love Him by obeying His commandments, which shows your heart is in the right place; not of selfishness, but of selflessness.

Revelation 22:11-14

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still [the end of probation]. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last [asserting authority for emphasis]. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie [a sinner in other words].​

 

[Freth]

If by “us” you mean Jews then that is correct. Noah was told he could eat anything that moves in Genesis 9.

I answered as such in the first bullet point, that God allows us to eat meat. It doesn't mean it's the best for us. God allows us free will, but what we choose to do has consequences.

 

[Leaf473]

No but His commandments do, if they didn’t then we would still be offering animal sacrifices for atonement of sin.

Good observation. Does the law tell us that we can stop sacrificing animals when a sinless person dies in our place? I can't think of a passage that talks about that.

But Jesus and his apostles did teach that we could stop. Of course, the real thing that put an end to animal sacrifice was the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, something God brought about I believe.

 

[1an]

Ok so are you saying it’s ok to eat meat offered to idols and to commit in sexual immorality?

“But I have a few things against you, because you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We do not go the way of Balaam. That's the devil.
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[SabbathBlessings]

This doesn't sound like a change in commandment to me.

Isaiah 66:17 "They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden, behind the tree in the midst. Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together, saith the Lord." In other words, those who eat those things that God clearly condemns are an abomination.

 

[Ceallaigh]

This thread reminds me of why I'm non-denominational.

 

[Ceallaigh]

• Does God allow us to eat meat? Yes. God allows us that choice.
  
• Does God want us to eat unclean meat? No. Unclean meat defiles the body.
  
• Does God want us to eat meat at all? No.

Then why did God command that a portion of sacrificed meat be given to the Temple priests to eat?

 

[Ceallaigh]

This doesn't sound like a change in commandment to me.

Isaiah 66:16 "They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden, behind the tree in the midst. Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together, saith the Lord." In other words, those who eat those things that God clearly condemns are an abomination.

What translation is that from? When I clicked on the hyperlink I got: "For by fire will Jehovah execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and the slain of Jehovah shall be many."

Edit: NM it's Isaiah 66:17

 

[BNR32FAN]

Good observation. Does the law tell us that we can stop sacrificing animals when a sinless person dies in our place? I can't think of a passage that talks about that.

But Jesus and his apostles did teach that we could stop. Of course, the real thing that put an end to animal sacrifice was the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, something God brought about I believe.

Animal sacrifices were no longer necessary the moment Jesus died on the cross.

 

[lsume]

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

Col.2

1. [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[Strong in Him]

Well no, that is NOT the context. That phrase was a later addition and was not in the original text. The original text uses the Greek word "katharizon"...that does not mean what you are trying to imply that it means...the context is with the word "aphedroma"...

It's in my interlinear Greek NT. And it's in our Bibles now.
If it was added to Mark's manuscript after his death and before the Bible was compiled, the church saw fit to keep it in.

 

[Hammster]

Yet I asked the question first to you and you did not answer it? I asked where is the scripture that says we can now eat Pork? I showed you the scriptures from God's Word stating we should not. There is nothing in the new testament scriptures that deletes old testament health laws that I can see. The Mosaic laws for remission of sin? Yep these have changed (see Hebrews 7 to Hebrews 10). Gods health and dietary laws? - Nope. Nothing out there in the NT that says I am now free to eat bat stew soup either or the abomination of the mouse *Isaiah 66:17.

But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.”
— Acts 10:14-15

 

[Strong in Him]

Forget the Old Testament, it is not for Christians, and Jesus replaced it.
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No he didn't!

Jesus quoted from the OT and fulfilled OT prophecies that pointed to him. He also referred to OT characters - Abraham, Moses, David, Jonah, Solomon.
If you want to "forget the OT", you have to throw out all the Psalms - 23, 139, 95, etc etc - Proverbs, history and prophecies. Ignore words like "the people who walked in darkness have seen a great light", "those who wait on the Lord will renew their strength", "Fear not for I have redeemed you, I have called you by name", and all the examples of Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Noah, Isaiah and so on.

The OT was the only Scripture that Jesus had.

 

[Freth]

Then why did God command that a portion of sacrificed meat be given to the Temple priests to eat?

The sanctuary pointed to Jesus' work on the cross and communion. The priest ate a portion of the offering as part of the transference of sin to the sanctuary. A priest eating meat during a God-ordained ceremony for remittance of sin isn't God making a blanket statement that it's okay to eat meat.

I have already covered that He gave permission to eat meat in Noah's day. It still doesn't change the fact that 600k people died from cancer in 2019 and that much of that number is due to poor diet; specifically, meat. A simple search will yield the evidence.

Can I Get Cancer From Eating Red Meat? – Health Essentials from Cleveland Clinic

The IARC classifies red meat as a Group 2A carcinogen, which is described as ‘probably carcinogenic to humans’.

“This was based on limited evidence that eating red meat causes cancer in humans and strong evidence supporting a carcinogenic effect,” Dr. Khorana says. “Previous studies also have shown that grilling or smoking meat can create suspected carcinogens.”
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Does eating meat increase my cancer risk? I Cancer Council NSW

The World Health Organization classifies processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen, which means that there’s convincing evidence that it causes bowel cancer. Red meat is classified as a Group 2A carcinogen, which means it probably causes bowel cancer. Bowel cancer is one of the most common cancers in Australia.

By reducing your intake of red meat and avoiding processed meat you can reduce your risk of cancer.​

 

[Ceallaigh]

Col.2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day

17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance [Lit. body] is of Christ.

The heading for Colossians 2:11-23 is: Not Legalism but Christ

 

[Strong in Him]

It was about GENTILES!

Peter didn't know that at the time of his vision.
Acts of the Apostles 10:19 - "while Peter was still thinking about this ...."

"You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.

That comes later in the chapter.

God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean"

In the vision God did not use the word "anyone"; he said "what God has declared clean, do not consider unclean". He showed Peter a sheet of unclean animals, but told him not to think of any thing as unclean.
Jews considered Gentiles to be unclean, so when Peter is asked to meet a Gentile he immediately applies the words of the vision.

 

[Ceallaigh]

The sanctuary pointed to Jesus' work on the cross and communion. The priest ate a portion of the offering as part of the transference of sin to the sanctuary. A priest eating meat during a God-ordained ceremony for remittance of sin isn't God making a blanket statement that it's okay to eat meat.

You wrote: "Does God want us to eat meat at all? No." That was a blanket statement, that's not based on scripture. If you can't show where it says in scripture that God doesn't want us to eat meat at all, then you are putting words in God's mouth.

 

[1an]

No he didn't!

Jesus quoted from the OT and fulfilled OT prophecies that pointed to him. He also referred to OT characters - Abraham, Moses, David, Jonah, Solomon.
If you want to "forget the OT", you have to throw out all the Psalms - 23, 139, 95, etc etc - Proverbs, history and prophecies. Ignore words like "the people who walked in darkness have seen a great light", "those who wait on the Lord will renew their strength", "Fear not for I have redeemed you, I have called you by name", and all the examples of Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Noah, Isaiah and so on.

The OT was the only Scripture that Jesus had.

Jesus quoted from the Old Testament to prove he was the Promised Messiah, and to show them their error against which they had no answer.

I have just quoted your post, it does not mean you are right.
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[SabbathBlessings]

No.

Also this thread isn't about the 4th commandment. It's about Leviticus 11:7

Not really. His Fathers commandments are found here: Exodus 20

 

[1an]

Why are you eating a pork chop? Because you want to, and that is how sin begins. Through disobedience. As it happens there is no harm in eating a pork chop because

“What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” Acts 10:14-15

But, if you did not know that, then in your mind you disobeyed God.
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