As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

[Speedwell]

All his life, Donald's been accustomed to being that man...



A civil war would require two sides with two leaders... on the one side we have the United States government...

...on the other side, we have...?

Pretty much the same crowd as last time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Pretty much the same crowd as last time.

But the last time, they had Jefferson Davis.

Who's going to stand at the front this time?

 

[Larniavc]

Try to think outside of the box, and suppose I wanted to give you a bad name. Would I do something bad in my name or your's, there now I can see your smile. Your getting it now, bravo.
OK, my sense of humour is the best but I'm sure you'll forgive me.

There is no need to give right wing seditionists a bad name. They are already bad actors.

Exactly which of the people arrested by the security services attempting to subvert the democratic process and gain access to the VPOTUS are left wing actors?

I’ll wait.

Tik Toc

 

[Larniavc]

The bigger problem which nobody seems to be concerned about, is the division and hatred among the American people.

That’s been there forever. It’s only now that the far white with its white supremacy enthusiasts, Dominionists, Oligarchs and dupes are facing the biggest loss in the battle for the soul of America in decades that they care about the country being divided.

 

[cow451]

Mr. Graham just happens to be on the same payroll as the others you mentioned. We would have to follow the money trail, to get to the root of it.
I'm not persuaded by a persons tile, nobody has a monopoly on the truth just because they hold a high office.

Why can’t you answer any questions? You want to be taken seriously without anything but vague references? Sorry. Anyone can make up that stuff. In reality you gotta do better. You cannot name any person, yet you want some all out investigation? You can’t even name what it is that has to be investigated? Follow the money ? From where to where?

 

[hedrick]

The bigger problem which nobody seems to be concerned about, is the division and hatred among the American people. It doesn't matter who the President is if the people declare another civil war.

A lot of people are concerned about it. We're just not sure what to do. If presenting evidence is useless because you won't believe it (based on your previous response), we're sort of stuck.

From an ethical point of view, I think appeasement needs to stop, of agitators on both left and right. Agitation on the left is, for better or worse, showing up mostly on a local level, while the right is a national issue. That's not to absolve the leaders who tolerated violence in the wake of police killings. We need to make sure that doesn't happen again.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not everyone got a call from the President, and he feels a little upset about it, and would like us all to know.

 

[The Ant]

I'm not sure what you mean or what your trying to imply.

Yes dear, it’s pretty obvious you don’t understand. Let’s see if we can help.

I'm sure your joking, but just incase your not, allow me to put you in the picture.

That would be “you’re” and “in case” Dan. Let’s try to promote the education standards in Australia please mate.

There's this thing called a crime, when a crime is committed the perpetrator covers his tracks just like a murderer buries the corpse in a swamp when he's finished with it.
Now when the victims relatives approach the police and tell them they know who the murderer is, the police usually investigate the suspect.
But in our case they demand to see the corpse and they demand video evidence and a full confession from the murderer and they demand all those immediately or they won't bother investigating the crime at all.
This deal may sound fair enough to you, but it smacks of corruption to me and 3.5 billion other global citizens.

Ok, here’s your problem pet. All that investigating and evidence-gathering you mention? That’s done by the police or investigators. Or, in the case of this sham concerning election fraud, it is the responsibility of Rudy and his clown car of incompetents. It is their responsibility to bring this evidence to the courts. It is NOT the responsibility of the courts to find this evidence, nor to “give them time” to get their case together.

They have failed more than 60 times to meet their responsibility.

Getting it yet?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Uh huh.

There is a certain bit of truth to it... look at the current administration's brazen corruption, nepotism, and self-dealing.

There's a certain refuge in audacity... by the time people say "nobody would be crazy/stupid/evil enough to _____," it's already been done.

 

[stevil]

The evidence of election wrongdoing is massive. There are well over a thousand affidavits, sworn under the penalty of perjury.

I presume that FoxBuisiness do a bit of due dilligence before presenting an affidavit author and witness on their TV programme. They probably go through quite a few of those and pick the best.

Lou Dobbs interviewed a lady on his programme.
She testified to having seen the same ballots scanned multiple times. She talked through the process where ballots are scanned in batches, that when a single ballot causes an error, that they delete the batch from the machine and that they then rescan the entire batch again.
she also testified to seeing vans coming late at night to deliver food, but there wasn't enough food for everybody.

Just because there is an affidavit it doesn't mean that it represents evidence of fraud.
Rescanning faulty batches is normal procedure.
Vans delivering food for employees working long and late shifts is pretty normal.

 

[Valletta]

I presume that FoxBuisiness do a bit of due dilligence before presenting an affidavit author and witness on their TV programme. They probably go through quite a few of those and pick the best.

Lou Dobbs interviewed a lady on his programme.
She testified to having seen the same ballots scanned multiple times. She talked through the process where ballots are scanned in batches, that when a single ballot causes an error, that they delete the batch from the machine and that they then rescan the entire batch again.
she also testified to seeing vans coming late at night to deliver food, but there wasn't enough food for everybody.
Was that the witness the press was making fun of? Wasn't that over a month ago?

 

[stevil]

Was that the witness the press was making fun of? Wasn't that over a month ago?

Were there any credible affidavits submitted?


I remember you posting a video about ballots hidden in a suitcase under a table in Georgia.
That one was debunked too.

 

[Valletta]

Yes dear, it’s pretty obvious you don’t understand. Let’s see if we can help.



That would be “you’re” and “in case” Dan. Let’s try to promote the education standards in Australia please mate.



Ok, here’s your problem pet. All that investigating and evidence-gathering you mention? That’s done by the police or investigators. Or, in the case of this sham concerning election fraud, it is the responsibility of Rudy and his clown car of incompetents. It is their responsibility to bring this evidence to the courts. It is NOT the responsibility of the courts to find this evidence, nor to “give them time” to get their case together.

They have failed more than 60 times to meet their responsibility.

Getting it yet?

Were there any credible affidavits submitted?


I remember you posting a video about ballots hidden in a suitcase under a table in Georgia.
That one was debunked too.

Were there any credible affidavits submitted?


I remember you posting a video about ballots hidden in a suitcase under a table in Georgia.
That one was debunked too.

60 Minutes is not a credible program, I have not watched the program for a long long time because of the poor quality and suppression of facts. They had two months to do a story before the electoral count, the timing is revealing. Wouldn't it have been great for election officials to come out in the days after the election. The state of Georgia has so far refused to release the images of ballots and election logs. Election officials have been caught in numerous lies, the water main break, the leaky toilet, six or seven different stories, the last I heard was that the stop in counting was not due to any of those factors. Once elections officials were caught in numerous flat-out lies nothing short of the release of the aforementioned records will do.

 

[stevil]

60 Minutes is not a credible program, I have not watched the program for a long long time because of the poor quality and suppression of facts. They had two months to do a story before the electoral count, the timing is revealing. Wouldn't it have been great for election officials to come out in the days after the election. The state of Georgia has so far refused to release the images of ballots and election logs. Election officials have been caught in numerous lies, the water main break, the leaky toilet, six or seven different stories, the last I heard was that the stop in counting was not due to any of those factors. Once elections officials were caught in numerous flat-out lies nothing short of the release of the aforementioned records will do.

Oh boy...

 

[Pommer]

Much of the "evidence" simply does not exist. Specific claims were made and there were investigations. If the claims were true they would have found the evidence. You are simply fooling yourself if you believe that it is there. Trump lost. And in his own words "By a landslide!"

While I can agree with your assessment, you know this “spin” will be along the lines of:
“The Democrats taught us how to ‘believe’ in evidence that isn’t there with the ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’ thing!
They made us like this!”

 

[Valletta]

While I can agree with your assessment, you know this “spin” will be along the lines of:
“The Democrats taught us how to ‘believe’ in evidence that isn’t there with the ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’ thing!
They made us like this!”

There's a difference between an anonymous source that doesn't pan out after three years of intense investigation when compared to over a thousand sworn affidavits while virtually zero of the swing states in question have released their computer records nor come up with any credible explanation as to why counting stopped in the middle of the night in Democrat cities. Just make the information public-so, so easy. We continue to make these simple and straightforward requests yet a deaf ear has been turned toward justice.

 

[Vylo]

I can't see any possibility of a fair outcome. This thing is too big, it's the same old story. The man with more money wins.
The bigger problem which nobody seems to be concerned about, is the division and hatred among the American people. It doesn't matter who the President is if the people declare another civil war.

Trump at least claims to have far, far, far more money than Biden.

Yet he lost, by over 7 million votes.

 

[Vylo]

60 Minutes is not a credible program

That's like saying Duracell isn't a credible battery.

over a thousand sworn affidavits

And what evidence have those people presented of their affidavits.

 

[Valletta]

That's like saying Duracell isn't a credible battery.


And what evidence have those people presented of their affidavits.

LOL One story was a big expose that allegedly "solved the mystery" by checking out this supposedly untouched site since an event. There is no question that was NOT the case according to U.S. government documents. I have spoken with the wife of the man in the center of the controversy, she spoke up while I was giving a presentation in the D.C. area. 60 minutes helped some politicians by burying the true story. In this case they did not lie but they left out crucial information. Realize these are news celebrities rather than trained investigators.

 

[Dan1988]

Division and hatred fomented by right-wing fundamentalist Evangelicals, who want a civil war because they hope to win it this time around.

i can't believe I need to remind you of the obvious fact, that you need two sides to have a war. Nobody hates themselves, they always hate the opposition. You say the right fomented hatred and I say the left did, so how do we know who is right and who is wrong.
It takes two to tango, does it not