As riot raged at Capitol, Trump tried to call senators to overturn election

[TLK Valentine]

Trump had no control over the actions of the rioters, he's not a puppet master. The rioters couldn't be controlled with bullets, let alone words.

Donald instigated the riot with his words; nobody (least of all him) could be expected to control it... that's part and parcel to the definition of "riot."

Donald Trump Speech "Save America" Rally Transcript January 6 - Rev

Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!

Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

PROTIP: Lighting a fire is easy... putting it out is much harder.

 

[Goonie]

Not long ago I went over one of the so-called "facts" about John McCain, who ran for president and should have been under scrutiny, and I proved the Snopes fact-check story was false. Had the truth been reported it is hard to imagine McCain would have been the Republican nominee for president. That shows the power of the press to suppress a story. Wordsmiths of the press can easily slant a story, and a lot is by omission. I remember working with an Associated Press bureau chief on a story and asked him why he left a critical part of information out of a story, and it was a long story. Dead silence. Often they have a picture of where they want the story to go and facts are just fill-in. In this case there was one big lie--that there was "no evidence" of election wrongdoing or fraud. There's a massive amount of evidence of election wrongdoing. Sworn affidavits are evidence by definition, and so the media was lying to you with claims of "no evidence" when there were sworn affidavits to the contrary. There were over a thousand sworn affidavits under penalty when I lost track of the number. Any American who reads them should be outraged. A true unbiased journalist would have demanded to know the reason why the counting stopped in the middle of the night in the major swing state cities. Especially after a number of lies were told, such as the broken water main, leaky toilet stories, etc. Any decent investigative reporter would be demanding to see the electronic computer information, the photos of the ballots and computer logs. And they would be reporting on the refusal of the states to provide such data every day.

So tell me how did those 60 court cases go again?
Please stop with the mass voter fraud lie. It is a lie, and at this point there is no excuse whatsoever for repeating it.

 

[Valletta]

He didn’t personally send them to do what they did but he riled them up and left them to do what they want and their anger was inspired by his words and his lies about his election loss. At least you seem to admit these were in fact a right wing group.

I thought that the government knew in advance from the Internet that a right wing group was planning an attack. There was a busload of Antifa guys dropped off, just from observation it looked like they might be some of those guys scaling the building, and I understand they released one BLM activist. I hope the police release details soon--I don't like to speculate. As to the numbers of people committing violence, I understand a number of people just walked in once the door was open, you can see in the one picture people orderly lined up inside the velvet ropes in the huge room with statues. Conservatives were appalled and agree that no matter who commits acts of violence they should be locked up, no matter who the protest is for. In this case there was an opportunity for the American people to hear Ted Cruz present information that the major media has suppressed, and hopefully enough Democrats would be outraged enough to demand answers. The president said nothing wrong in his speech, like I said, if you compare the rhetoric to that of Democrat leaders it falls far short of their rhetoric.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I thought that the government knew in advance from the Internet that a right wing group was planning an attack.

You would think that as president, Donald would be more interested in preventing the attack instead of egging it on.

His own words tell a different story -- he specifically ordered them to march to the capitol... knowing they were planning an attack.

 

[Vylo]

Anyone can post on Wikipedia, although it is much controlled by leftists. The technique of misleading by using short quotations, taking something out of context, is an old and common one. There was nothing wrong with President Trump's speech, the call to impeach him is all about the concern by Democrats that Trump will win the next election, if there were open debates and an honest election. I assure you that those very words quoted have been used by many, many on the left. As to those on the left, if you care about this country, love God and love your neighbor, and urge complete election transparency--start with releasing electronic copies of the ballots and election logs.

Nothing wrong with a president calling on his cult to commit violence in his name in an attempt to overturn an election he lost fairly?

Note: many of the judges that have rejected his claims are not just republican but appointed by Trump himself. So either Trump has no credible evidence of widespread fraud, or he has terrible taste in judges. Neither speaks well to his ability to govern.

Trump won't win another election. He's exposed him self for the seditious monster he is, and even his cult is fracturing under the weight of what he's done. The capitol was stormed for the first time in over 200 years, and not by a foreign power, not by patriots, but by seditious fools led astray by conspiracy theories and a cult of personality.

 

[TLK Valentine]

 

[TLK Valentine]

Interesting --with a body count of 5, Donald's now responsible for more deaths than at Benghazi...

I can't wait for the Senate to drag him in front of an investig-- nope, couldn't keep a straight face.

 

[Valletta]

So tell me how did those 60 court cases go again?
Please stop with the mass voter fraud lie. It is a lie, and at this point there is no excuse whatsoever for repeating it.

As I've said there has only been one hearing that even resembled a legitimate evidentiary hearings where
plaintiffs are allowed to

Donald instigated the riot with his words; nobody (least of all him) could be expected to control it... that's part and parcel to the definition of "riot."

Donald Trump Speech "Save America" Rally Transcript January 6 - Rev


PROTIP: Lighting a fire is easy... putting it out is much harder.

Trump: We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created- . . .

and Trump ends the long speech saying:

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans for our movement, for our children and for our beloved country and I say this, despite all that’s happened, the best is yet to come.

Donald Trump: (01:12:43)
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

Donald Trump: (01:13:19)
So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

In summary Trump told the crowd to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make their voices heard, and ended the speech with "God bless you and God bless America." And you want to impeach and convict the President of the United States for inciting a riot. I guess I should dig out quotations from the Democrats that people seem to have forgot.

 

[KCfromNC]

Anyone can post on Wikipedia, although it is much controlled by leftists. The technique of misleading by using short quotations, taking something out of context, is an old and common one.

And also one easily addressed by giving full quotations with complete context to show the actual meaning of things taken out of context. None of which was done in this post. Instead, we get empty fact-free assertions :

There was nothing wrong with President Trump's speech

False

the call to impeach him is all about the concern by Democrats that Trump will win the next election

False

As to those on the left, if you care about this country, love God and love your neighbor, and urge complete election transparency--start with releasing electronic copies of the ballots and election logs.

Both false and an attempt at a diversion.

 

[KCfromNC]

I disagree with all the above, since I know for a fact that a President is not a puppet master as you would have me believe.

Here would be the part where rather than just claiming something is true, it would be useful to give reasons why. At least if you want your claims to be given any consideration rather than being dismissed as yet another weak attempt to divert from the fact that Donald ordered a mob of his followers to attack the US Capitol.

I believe the ordinary people vote for and support those who deliver the things which are important to them. So those who are patriotic voted for Trump and those who see themselves as global citizens vote Biden.

Saying things obviously counter to reality isn't going to do much to convince people your other, harder to check assertions mean much.

I refuse to believe that any patriotic American would desecrate and defile the very seat of their democracy.

Sure, I agree. It was clearly a bunch of worked up Trump supporters who did it.

 

[KCfromNC]

If you would just think it through, why would a president who has been urging Congress to challenge the electoral count somehow send some individuals to attack the Capitol right when Ted Cruz challenges the electoral count from Arizona.

This question presumes the person in question has demonstrated some sort of ability for long term strategic political thinking. That assumption seem to run counter to the evidence.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not long ago I went over one of the so-called "facts" about John McCain, who ran for president and should have been under scrutiny, and I proved the Snopes fact-check story was false. Had the truth been reported it is hard to imagine McCain would have been the Republican nominee for president. That shows the power of the press to suppress a story. Wordsmiths of the press can easily slant a story, and a lot is by omission. I remember working with an Associated Press bureau chief on a story and asked him why he left a critical part of information out of a story, and it was a long story. Dead silence.

Cool story bro. There's zero evidence it happened, but it sure sounds like maybe it could have. Or at least would if your posts weren't continually talking about other things which never happened. For example, this :

There's a massive amount of evidence of election wrongdoing.

You might want to tell Donald's legal team, because so far none of them have been able to demonstrate any such evidence to the courts.

 

[KCfromNC]

As I've said there has only been one hearing that even resembled a legitimate evidentiary hearings where
plaintiffs are allowed to

If only there was a single shred of evidence presented to support this empty assertion.


Snipped words of someone who incited a violent insurrection against the US government, since the rules here prohibit us from endorsing illegal activities.

 

[TLK Valentine]

In summary Trump told the crowd to PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY make their voices heard, and ended the speech with "God bless you and God bless America." And you want to impeach and convict the President of the United States for inciting a riot. I guess I should dig out quotations from the Democrats that people seem to have forgot.

In summary Donald mentioned the word "peacefully" exactly once early in his rambling speech -- his orders to fight, were repeated, and came at the end, after his followers were riled up by an hour of his lies.

As for whataboutism, that would be a cowardly excuse for a defense... you're better than that.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Quit the baloney. Don't parrot this "insurrection" garbage, the truth is the left has openly tolerated and too often encouraged the burning and looting of American cities using rhetoric FAR more inciteful than anything President Trump has said. Stop the hatred. The over 100,000 peaceful protesters, consisting of police officers, veterans, and God fearing people have been slandered by the left for daring to call for election honesty. How would you feel if you went to a peaceful protest and a tiny percentage of the people went crazy and acted in a similar manner--would you think it was right for all to be condemned? Attacking them and censoring them is far more of a mob-mentality insurrection than anything they even imagine.

You are currently defending terrorism, take a good hard look at your life and choices that have lead to this point that you are reduced to having to defend traitors to the United States of America.

 

[trunks2k]

He didn’t personally send them to do what they did but he riled them up and left them to do what they want and their anger was inspired by his words and his lies about his election loss. At least you seem to admit these were in fact a right wing group.

He spent months (if not years) piling up the wood and pouring gasoline on it. Only to set out a lighter, gather everyone around the wood pile and start complaining about how cold it is and it would be great if there was a way to not be cold anymore.

 

[Valletta]

Quite simply they have not been given the opportunity. For example, in Georgia two of the observers swore under penalty of perjury that they were told the counting had ended for the evening. In a court of law you are allowed to subpoena everyone who was there, get access to any recordings, and then an evidentiary hearing is held. If not the major media, some network would cover the hearing where you would hear testimony and there would be cross examination--just like you have seen in countless court cases. Then a judge weighs the evidence and gives a verdict. So where are the videos of such hearings or at least a written account of such hearings? We know the counting continued because a private firm recorded what happened when the observers left-- what looked like a suitcase was pulled out and ballots counted. Since there has been no evidentiary hearing, what efforts have the media made to speak with everyone there? The workers have lawyered up, at least the media should report that they have refused to answer questions.

Cool story bro. There's zero evidence it happened, but it sure sounds like maybe it could have. Or at least would if your posts weren't continually talking about other things which never happened. For example, this :


You might want to tell Donald's legal team, because so far none of them have been able to demonstrate any such evidence to the courts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Quite simply they have not been given the opportunity. For example, in Georgia two of the observers swore under penalty of perjury that they were told the counting had ended for the evening. In a court of law you are allowed to subpoena everyone who was there, get access to any recordings, and then an evidentiary hearing is held. If not the major media, some network would cover the hearing where you would hear testimony and there would be cross examination--just like you have seen in countless court cases. Then a judge weighs the evidence and gives a verdict. So where are the videos of such hearings or at least a written account of such hearings? We know the counting continued because a private firm recorded what happened when the observers left-- what looked like a suitcase was pulled out and ballots counted. Since there has been no evidentiary hearing, what efforts have the media made to speak with everyone there? The workers have lawyered up, at least the media should report that they have refused to answer questions.

Your attempted justification of the sedition is noted.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Interesting --with a body count of 5, Donald's now responsible for more deaths than at Benghazi...

I can't wait for the Senate to drag him in front of an investig-- nope, couldn't keep a straight face.

Only one of them was a good guy...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Only one of them was a good guy...

To Donald, they were all patriots.