Biden, Harris take heat

[Albion]

Lol we didn't see BLM breaching the Capitol during their DC protests though

The point was correct, however. The riots in Portland, Minneapolis, Racine, and elsewhere last summer did a billion dollars in property damage, reportedly killed thirty people, and resulted in many more injuries.

"Progressives" generally excused all of this, and one of our political parties warmly embraced the alleged cause which the rioters said they were fighting for. What happened in Washington was nowhere near as destructive, nor were the participants united in their purposes, but the predictable apologists for Portland, Antifa, BLM -- Harris and former Vice President Biden among them -- are taking the opportunity to further divide the country, making out that this is all racist, which is nonsense, and that it's an "insurrection," the equivalent of 9/11, or the second act of the British burning of the Capitol during the War of 1812.

Shame on Biden in particular, that phony, who claimed he was interested in promoting unity but has done the exact opposite ever since making the claim.

 

[Triumvirate]

The point was correct, however. The riots in Portland, Minneapolis, Racine, and elsewhere last summer did a billion dollars in property damage, reportedly killed thirty people, and resulted in many more injuries.

"Progressives" generally excused all of this, and one of our political parties warmly embraced the alleged cause which the rioters said they were fighting for. What happened in Washington was nowhere near as destructive, nor were the participants united in their purposes, but the predictable apologists for Portland, Antifa, BLM -- Harris and former Vice President Biden among them -- are taking the opportunity to further divide the country, making out that this is all racist, which is nonsense, and that it's the equivalent of 9/11 or the British burning of the Capitol during the War of 1812.

Shame on Biden in particular, that phony, who claimed he was interested in promoting unity but has done the exact opposite ever since making the claim.

Yup, none of what you mentioned comes close to shutting the national legislative branch down, which is altogether far more sinister than localised property damage. This is a prelude to an actual coup, while lying about there being a coup because the election was stolen.

People might be embracing BLM because, as I said, they are protesting about an actual problem. The fascists who invaded the Capitol are protesting over something that didn't actually happen.

 

[cow451]

The cops let the seditionists past the barriers.

In light of the situation, I think it was a matter of being overrun by the Trump horde. Much may have been an attempted strategic retreat to buy time to get Congress and other federal employees to safety.

 

[98cwitr]

It is not correct to say some of the groups represented at the invasion the other day don't have a history of violence. Please stop misinforming people.

It is the propensity, probability, and public perception of which I am referring to. There's no misinformation there.

 

[Albion]

Yup, none of what you mentioned comes close to shutting the national legislative branch down, which is altogether far more sinister than localised property damage.

That's what the apologists for Antifa and their kind say...and that's all it's worth.

The comparisons that could have been made, and should have been made--the ones that really do matter--were carefully sidestepped in your reply.

 

[Triumvirate]

It is the propensity, probability, and public perception of which I am referring to. There's no misinformation there.

Public perception is not relevant here. Half of the public perception on here is to deny that groups like the Proud Boys (ably represented the other day) do not also regularly commit violence, so so much for that.

 

[Triumvirate]

That's what the apologists for Antifa and their kind say...and that's all it's worth.

Put it another way - you'd be squawking a different tune if BLM were allowed to get this close to a sitting session of Congress. The fact they were not is...sort of the point being made here.

The comparisons that could have been made, and should have been made--the ones that really do matter--were carefully sidestepped in your reply.

I'm pretty awesome, but not psychic. You seem upset. Why not say what you really think, hm?

 

[wing2000]

In light of the situation, I think it was a matter of being overrun by the Trump horde. Much may have been an attempted strategic retreat to buy time to get Congress and other federal employees to safety.

The police were clearly out-numbered and not in any position to control the crowd or maintain a perimeter. I agree a strategic, non-confrontational retreat was there best option given their limited resources. They were literally on their own for 4+ hours...

 

[Triumvirate]

The police were clearly out-numbered and not in any position to control the crowd or maintain a perimeter. I agree a strategic, non-confrontational retreat was there best option given their limited resources. They were literally on their own for 4+ hours...

There is still the question of why this was the case in the first place. It is good that at least one head has rolled and the Capitol Police chief has resigned.

 

[wing2000]

There is still the question of why this was the case in the first place. It is good that at least one head has rolled and the Capitol Police chief has resigned.

Absolutely. The security planning for this event by the Federal Government was grossly incompetent.

 

[Triumvirate]

Also incidentally, just because there seems to be some confusion

Most of us calling out the false comparison between BLM/Antifa and the Capitol fascist invaders don't particularly want BLM/Antifa invading the Capitol either.

The point is that funnily enough we were a bit more on the ball with one but not the other.

 

[Yttrium]

Absolutely. The security planning for this event by the Federal Government was grossly incompetent.

Who's responsible for deploying the national guard to help out in situations like this? Donald Trump. Obviously he wanted the national guard out of the way during the insurrection attempt.

 

[Albion]

Who's responsible for deploying the national guard to help out in situations like this? Donald Trump.

By law, command of the D.C National Guard is assigned to the Secretary of Defense, in this case Chris Miller.

The (Democratic) Mayor of Washington wrote an official letter to the Acting Attorney General, the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Army, telling them that she did not want any help.

Even Pelosi, who normally will blame President Trump for anything, directed her criticism at the Acting Secretary of Defense for not responding properly to the problem.

 

[Speedwell]

That's what the apologists for Antifa and their kind say...and that's all it's worth.

The comparisons that could have been made, and should have been made--the ones that really do matter--were carefully sidestepped in your reply.

But there is no reasonable way to compare the violent behavior associated with some of the BLM demonstrations and the violent behavior associated with Wednesday's storming of Congress until you relinquish the big lie that the election was "stolen." In fact, the violence on Wednesday is, if anything, more to be excused than the violence which accompanied some of the BLM demonstrations last summer, because the big lie which motivated it was fostered by no less a person than the President of the United States himself.

 

[Guinan]

Who's responsible for deploying the national guard to help out in situations like this? Donald Trump. Obviously he wanted the national guard out of the way during the insurrection attempt.

He was lying when he said that he deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement during his so-called concession speech yesterday. He also turned his back on his followers who stormed the Capitol. He stabbed them in the back during his feeble attempt to backtrack and save face. It seems like he doesn't have any problem whatsoever throwing people under the bus to save his own neck.

 

[Albion]

But there is no reasonable way to compare the violent behavior associated with some of the BLM demonstrations and the violent behavior associated with Wednesday's storming of Congress until you relinquish the big lie that the election was "stolen."

I don't buy that twist for a moment. And if you persist also in denying that vote fraud occurred, it makes that approach even less credible.

For months the American people have been treated to excuses being made for the anarchist rebellions in the big cities, which accounted for 30 deaths, many businesses destroyed, government buildings set on fire and vandalized, etc. So now the claim comes to us from the same direction trying to make out that this event is even worse. In no way is that true. However, it does make for a propaganda opportunity that, predictably, will not be wasted by many on the left.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I don't by that twist for a moment. And if you persist also in denying that vote fraud occurred, it makes that approach even less credible.

For months the American people have been treated to excuses being made for the anarchist rebellions in the big cities, which accounted for 30 deaths, many businesses destroyed, government buildings set on fire and vandalized, etc. So now the claim comes to us from the same direction trying to make out that this event is even worse. In no way is that true. However, it does make for a propaganda opportunity that, predictably, will not be wasted by many on the left.

I find your defending of a group of people attempting to overthrow the government of the United States disgustung and suggest you take a good hard look at your life and choices that you have been reduced to defending traitors to your country.

 

[Speedwell]

I don't by that twist for a moment. And if you persist also in denying that vote fraud occurred, it makes that approach even less credible.

The "stolen election" is nothing but paranoid hysteria.

For months the American people have been treated to excuses being made for the anarchist rebellions in the big cities, which accounted for 30 deaths, many businesses destroyed, government buildings set on fire and vandalized, etc.

There is no excuse for the violence which accompanied some of the BLM demonstrations last summer. It was condemned at the time Democratic leaders and the BLM movement itself.

So now the claim comes to us from the same direction trying to make out that this event is even worse. In no way is that true.

Of course it wasn't worse in terms of lives lost or damage to property. What makes it worse is that it was motivated by a lie propagated by the President.

However, it does make for a propaganda opportunity that, predictably, will not be wasted by many on the left.

Certainly many on the Left and, increasingly, on the Right will not waste the opportunity to point out how dangerous it is to have the President spewing self-serving despicable filth.

 

[Albion]

The "stolen election" is nothing but paranoid hysteria.

I know that people who insist upon writing something like that are doing it to 'hear' themselves being outrageous. But the "over-the-top" rhetoric doesn't make this nonsense any more saleable, if you were thinking it might.

 

[cow451]

I know that people who insist upon writing something like that are doing it to 'hear' themselves being outrageous. But the "over-the-top" rhetoric doesn't make this nonsense any more saleable, if you were thinking it might.

The “stolen election” is a lie. 60 courts and 50 state elections officials and two houses of Congress has certified it as legal and binding.