FBI declines GOP subpoena on Biden ‘alleged criminal scheme’

[ralliann]

Meanwhile, back in reality,

The same ol idea of speaking of individual postions created by our Government is no different than arguing about parties, as though congress was about parties instead of the branch. So you lost me right here. Good day.
Our constitutional branches (powers)of Government (by the people for the people) are
1. Executive
2. Legislative branch
3. Judicial branch
No where is there the branch of Attorney General branch, FBI branch, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH branches.
That our government created various offices, agencies etc in no way
deletes these three branches as the source.
These other offices and agencies were created by our government to benefit our government in various ways, not the other way around. Nor were they created to replace the power of our government (of we the people) by elective power of the people. Simple, just real simple.
Now, as I said, there are those today which are willing to cede their power of elected office to these people/ offices and agencies, and there are those of us which would not. Either way the bottom line is even these things are at least through electing members of that branch willing to cede it. And of course those of us not willing to elect those do so. Very simple. we all are equally electing, no difference.

 

[dzheremi]

Your reply is nothing but word salad. Good day to you as well, Ralliann.

 

[ralliann]

Your reply is nothing but word salad. Good day to you as well, Ralliann.

Oh come on now. It's simple. Three branches of our constitutional government. Elected by our power to vote. We the people give them the power to hold their office. Three branches for balance of power, to keep each other in Check.
The creation of agencies, offices etc by these branches never, ever cancel, or delete those branches and their power nor the balance of power each one constitutionally holds. Which is important with regards to keeping each power in check. So so simple.

 

[rambot]

You are normalizing FBI control. That you agree with that, go ahead and continue to exercise that choice in whom you choose for congress. See how that works?

I'm normalizing FBI control over things over which they have some measure of jurisdiction.

I didn't like it when ELECTED OFFICIALS obstructed justice and yet there were 70million citizens who were MORE than happy to vote for an elected official obstructing justice.

 

[ralliann]

I'm normalizing FBI control over things over which they have some measure of jurisdiction.

I didn't like it when ELECTED OFFICIALS obstructed justice and yet there were 70million citizens who were MORE than happy to vote for an elected official obstructing justice.

Yes, I can see that. You can do that by your power to put in the branch of government those that will cede their power to them. We all, like or do not like things. We are a democracy, we do not all agree. But, we all can have the same power to appoint officials we choose to do what we think is best. So you will vote for those willing to cede power of their office to the FBI. It will not be permanent thank goodness, rather a cedeing of power randomly. You have that right and power. Right now the electorate has put in power to not cede it is all.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Our constitutional branches (powers)of Government (by the people for the people) are
1. Executive
2. Legislative branch
3. Judicial branch
No where is there the branch of Attorney General branch, FBI branch, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH branches.
That our government created various offices, agencies etc in no way
deletes these three branches as the source.
These other offices and agencies were created by our government to benefit our government in various ways, not the other way around. Nor were they created to replace the power of our government (of we the people) by elective power of the people. Simple, just real simple.
Now, as I said, there are those today which are willing to cede their power of elected office to these people/ offices and agencies, and there are those of us which would not. Either way the bottom line is even these things are at least through electing members of that branch willing to cede it. And of course those of us not willing to elect those do so. Very simple. we all are equally electing, no difference.

The Attorney General and the FBI (the whole Department of Justice, in fact) are part of the Executive Branch and report to the elected head of the executive branch.

 

[ralliann]

The Attorney General and the FBI (the whole Department of Justice, in fact) are part of the Executive Branch and report to the elected head of the executive branch.

So what? They are not a branch, but allowed to have authority as given by those branches. It is why they report to them. Congress has requested documents to do their job on the behalf of the people. The FBI etc. have no Authority in themselves to not do that. We want to know what the facts are. Hand it over to our congress so we can find out how we the people should respond.

 

[Pommer]

So what? They are not a branch, but allowed to have authority as given by those branches. It is why they report to them. Congress has requested documents to do their job on the behalf of the people. The FBI etc. have no Authority in themselves to not do that. We want to know what the facts are. Hand it over to our congress so we can find out how we the people should respond.

And what happens when a subcommittee requests that one of the Executive branch agencies turn over a specific internal, unverified form that is generated by the agency (in question) during to course of normal operations…a form that has always ever been used only by that agency and never been requested by the Congress before?
This, what we’re witnessing now.
This is normal.

 

[ralliann]

And what happens when a subcommittee requests that one of the Executive branch agencies turn over a specific internal

This is nonsense. The subcommitee is CONGRESS. Their power to keep in Check other branches is not cancelled by the FBI. The Executive branch, Doe not lose it's function for power check, NOR DOES IT GAIN POWER through or by the FBI. In other words the FBI has nothing to do with one branch or the other to empower any other branch of Government, through disempowering the other. Those are the branches that WE GIVE EQUAL POWER by our choice. The FBI, and it's function with regards to them has no effect on that.

unverified form that is generated by the agency (in question) during to course of normal operations…a form that has always ever been used only by that agency and never been requested by the Congress before?
This, what we’re witnessing now.
This is normal.

The congress has asked for the documents. Produce for them so they can do their JOB for us the people.
This bold. and open refusal of the FBI automatically makes one need to find out what they were doing behind closed doors. If they will do this in front of God and everyone, what were they doing apart from that?

 

[rambot]

Yes, I can see that. You can do that by your power to put in the branch of government those that will cede their power to them. We all, like or do not like things. We are a democracy, we do not all agree. But, we all can have the same power to appoint officials we choose to do what we think is best. So you will vote for those willing to cede power of their office to the FBI. It will not be permanent thank goodness, rather a cedeing of power randomly. You have that right and power. Right now the electorate has put in power to not cede it is all.

Power is not being ceded. you are choosing to misrepresent what is said because you believe nefarious actions took place. But investigations continue to point to little to nothing.
Republicans have been desperately exploiting this computer that is showing absolute butkiss but they are stringing along citizens to maintain the outrage. This stupid thing has been in the public zeitgeist for what 3 years and I'm supposed to believe there is something actionable here? If they couldn't drum anything up by midterms there's nothing.

It's sad that this is being clung to. Like "Hillarys emails", we'll be hearing about this for years...unironically sadly.

 

[ralliann]

Power is not being ceded. you are choosing to misrepresent what is said because you believe nefarious actions took place. But investigations continue to point to little to nothing.
Republicans have been desperately exploiting this computer that is showing absolute butkiss but they are stringing along citizens to maintain the outrage. This stupid thing has been in the public zeitgeist for what 3 years and I'm supposed to believe there is something actionable here? If they couldn't drum anything up by midterms there's nothing.

It's sad that this is being clung to. Like "Hillarys emails", we'll be hearing about this for years...unironically sadly.

I do not care what you THINK, or how much reliable information you need to think what you think. The peoples representative branch has asked for documents, to know better what to THINK. So we can decide.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So what? They are not a branch, but allowed to have authority as given by those branches. It is why they report to them.

The FBI is still part of a branch of the federal government (the executive branch) and their operation is authorized by acts of Congress (laws) signed by Presidents (the head of the executive branch), and sustained by court decisions (the judicial branch). The FBI reports to the Attorney General. He reports to the President. Congress has *oversight*, not supervision.

Congress has requested documents to do their job on the behalf of the people.

Not all of Congress, only a sub-committee or committee (I lose track of which one is involved here) of one half (the House of Representatives) of Congress. The committee is just as much a subdivision of Congress as the FBI is a subdivision of the Executive branch.

The FBI etc. have no Authority in themselves to not do that.

They have the authority granted by them by law.

We want to know what the facts are. Hand it over to our congress so we can find out how we the people should respond.

Does this also apply to a committee wanting to see Donald Trump's taxes? Those wanting that handed over could write the exact same sentence.

 

[ralliann]

The FBI is still part of a branch of the federal government (the executive branch) and their operation is authorized by acts of Congress (laws) signed by Presidents (the head of the executive branch), and sustained by court decisions (the judicial branch). The FBI reports to the Attorney General. He reports to the President. Congress has *oversight*, not supervision.

Not all of Congress, only a sub-committee or committee (I lose track of which one is involved here) of one half (the House of Representatives) of Congress. The committee is just as much a subdivision of Congress as the FBI is a subdivision of the Executive branch.

They have the authority granted by them by law.

Does this also apply to a committee wanting to see Donald Trump's taxes? Those wanting that handed over could write the exact same sentence.

I don't care about your politics, and party affiliation etc. Congress has asked the FbI for documents to do it's job, on behalf of the American people. They need to hand them over.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I don't care about your politics, and party affiliation etc. Congress has asked the FbI for documents to do it's job, on behalf of the American people. They need to hand them over.

I didn't tell you anything about my politics, I just pointed out your errors. (It's a common theme in this thread now.)

 

[ThatRobGuy]

How would that ruin Trump’s reputation? His reputation as a sexually immoral crook has been well known for decades.

Based on some of the statements made by Comey when that whole thing was going on, it would seem that Trump was rather obsessed with that particular aspect because he thought it was insulting to suggest that he had to "pay for it" or "needed to use the service of prostitutes" rather than the persona he likes to put on which is "I'm so rich and powerful, the women just flock to me"

 

[ralliann]

I didn't tell you anything about my politics, I just pointed out your errors. (It's a common theme in this thread now.)

You brought up stuff that was political. This is about our constitutional government, and balance of power, and we the people's power. "WE", you, me, equal. Government by the people for the people. Period.

 

[ralliann]

Based on some of the statements made by Comey when that whole thing was going on, it would seem that Trump was rather obsessed with that particular aspect because he thought it was insulting to suggest that he had to "pay for it" or "needed to use the service of prostitutes" rather than the persona he likes to put on which is "I'm so rich and powerful, the women just flock to me"

Yeah he was a handsome man. He was also filthy rich. Of course there were women flocking to him. It happens. They call women which do this with rock stars groupies. tHE THINGS THESE WOMEN DO IS WELL, SAD, BUT THEY LOVE IT.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You brought up stuff that was political. This is about our constitutional government, and balance of power, and we the people's power. "WE", you, me, equal. Government by the people for the people. Period.

Frankly, the "politics" came in when the committee pushed into this investigation for political purposes (to damage the political prospects of Joe Biden).

So does the politics of it matter to *you*?

For example you insist that a House committee has unlimited right to access the documents of the FBI. Should the same have applied to to a different committee and a different agency that would harm the then sitting president?

 

[ralliann]

Frankly, the "politics" came in when the committee pushed into this investigation for political purposes (to damage the political prospects of Joe Biden).

So does the politics of it matter to *you*?

For example you insist that a House committee has unlimited right to access the documents of the FBI. Should the same have applied to to a different committee and a different agency that would harm the then sitting president?

Sure there are politics behind alot of this. But I am concerned these particular politics has come to the point to break the balance of power of our constitutional government. It is beyond politics and parties. It is manifesting with the FBI attempting to overrule a balancing power of our government. So the politics are a moot point and distraction.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure there are politics behind alot of this. But I am concerned these particular politics has come to the point to break the balance of power of our constitutional government. It is beyond politics and parties. It is manifesting with the FBI attempting to overrule a balancing power of our government. So the politics are a moot point and distraction.

I'm going to accept your claim of protecting balance in government.

WHY do you think this particular demand/request for a document is breaking the balance of power between the branches?