What if racism is an evolutionary response?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Somehow I'm not sure people would feel the same way if contemporary claims of systemic racism, despite laws abounding against it, was considered a conspiracy theory too.

Yeah, like over a hundred years of evidence, along with actual testimonies and visual and pictorial evidence of systemic racism and also the numerous that were specifically written to keep blacks and whites separate, the Jim Crow Era, are a conspiracy.

Seriously though, just for the sake of arguing, if you are going to spout that sort of ideas, do go to the conspiracy theories forum because there is a chance that will get banned by a mod for not doing so.

ETA: Actually, I think it is now against forum rules to say that COVID is all a conspiracy because there are people who are on this website who have lost family and loved ones to COVID.

 

[Zaymer]

Yeah, like over a hundred years of evidence, along with actual testimonies and visual and pictorial evidence of systemic racism and also the numerous that were specifically written to keep blacks and whites separate, the Jim Crow Era, are a conspiracy.

Seriously though, just for the sake of arguing, if you are going to spout that sort of ideas, do go to the conspiracy theories forum because there is a chance that will get banned by a mod for not doing so.

ETA: Actually, I think it is now against forum rules to say that COVID is all a conspiracy because there are people who are on this website who have lost family and loved ones to COVID.

Lord have mercy, it feels what I say goes right over the head.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Lord have mercy, it feels what I say goes right over the head.

Oh no, I got what you said, I just felt it wasn't worth my time and effort to play along, and also since you are a new member, I felt that the warning was justified to give to you.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Yeah, like over a hundred years of evidence, along with actual testimonies and visual and pictorial evidence of systemic racism and also the numerous that were specifically written to keep blacks and whites separate, the Jim Crow Era, are a conspiracy.

Seriously though, just for the sake of arguing, if you are going to spout that sort of ideas, do go to the conspiracy theories forum because there is a chance that will get banned by a mod for not doing so.

ETA: Actually, I think it is now against forum rules to say that COVID is all a conspiracy because there are people who are on this website who have lost family and loved ones to COVID.

When and where did Zaymer say that Covid was a conspiracy? From my reading of Zaymer's post he seems to be saying that governments are using Covid to get people dependent upon government for the purpose of getting people to accept government exercising tyrannical power. Now that may be a conspiracy theory and it may or may not be what some in government are trying to do but it is not claiming that the Covid virus itself is a conspiracy

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

When and where did Zaymer say that Covid was a conspiracy? From my reading of Zaymer's post he seems to be saying that governments are using Covid to get people dependent upon government for the purpose of getting people to accept government exercising tyrannical power. Now that may be a conspiracy theory and it may or may not be what some in government are trying to do but it is not claiming that the Covid virus itself is a conspiracy

It's a conspiracy related to COVID. Happy now?

 

[grasping the after wind]

It's a conspiracy related to COVID. Happy now?

Happiness is just a state of mind. I'm almost always happy but strawmen annoy me so I try to banish them from discussions.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Happiness is just a state of mind. I'm almost always happy but strawmen annoy me so I try to banish them from discussions.

I could not care less. It was misreading of what he said, but to be honest, he's a new member with a similar attitude to too many who come on to here with the goal of starting fights over evolution and creation, so I have little patience for him.

 

[Rachel20]

If it isn't racism, what is it that causes people to remain in their own people groups, as in the table of nations in scripture? I'm asking because I wonder what a world completely void of racism would look like. And I don't like what I see - a homogeneous human species with no cultural diversity, very boring and flavorless. But I'm using a loose definition here - most are using the negative meaning.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If it isn't racism, what is it that causes people to remain in their own people groups, as in the table of nations in scripture? I'm asking because I wonder what a world completely void of racism would look like. And I don't like what I see - a homogeneous human species with no cultural diversity, very boring and flavorless. But I'm using a loose definition here - most are using the negative meaning.

There's a positive meaning of racism?

 

[Rachel20]

There's a positive meaning of racism?

Not the way people use it! And they're probably using it correctly. But then ... what is it that makes people prefer to remain with their own race if that isn't some form of racism? I'm looking for the word for it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not the way people use it! And they're probably using it correctly. But then ... what is it that makes people prefer to remain with their own race if that isn't some form of racism? I'm looking for the word for it.

Tribalism. Though it can be used as a negative and a positive.

 

[Rachel20]

Tribalism. Though it can be used as a negative and a positive.

Not to be argumentative, but isn't tribalism formed around race also racism?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Why do you look to the theory of evolution to provide you with moral compass?

I don't. What has me beat is how people can have any moral standards if they believe in evolution. It makes no sense at all, any more than expecting a Tiger to eat grass and not other animals.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not to be argumentative, but isn't tribalism formed around race also racism?

Hence why I said it be used as negative or a positive. Tribalism isn't just about race. It can be about religion, political affiliation, family, nationality.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't. What has me beat is how people can have any moral standards if they believe in evolution. It makes no sense at all, any more than expecting a Tiger to eat grass and not other animals.

Evolution is just about how life changed to fit the world around it. If you want to go around looking for morality from evolution, then you might as well ask a rock for a lecture on astrology or a puddle of water on a lesson about metallurgy.

 

[Rachel20]

Tribalism isn't just about race. It can be about religion, political affiliation, family, nationality.

I get that. But when it's formed around race, how is it not also racism? See my point? All nations (people groups) are racist. In that regard, America - called a melting pot for a reason - would be the least racist of the nations.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I get that. But when it's formed around race, how is it not also racism? See my point? All nations (people groups) are racist.

Not... really? Like, I kind of see what you're getting at, but you're not really articulating it well, I feel. When you get to the national level, race gets VERY skewed. Like, using the Middle Ages as an example, it was felt that the English were a separate race to the French, even though they were white, European groups. Heck, in 14th century Scotland, a Scottish chronicler, John of Fordun, postulated that the people of the Scottish Highlands were a race apart from the Scottish Lowlanders:

The race of the sea coasts is domesticated, civilized, faithful, patient, cultivated, decently dressed, refined and peaceable, devout in church worship, yet always ready to withstand any harm done by its enemies. The island or mountain race, however, is wild, untamed, primitive, intractable, inclined to plunder, leisure-loving, quick to learn, skilful, handsome in appearance but vilely dressed, and continually fiercely opposed to the English people and language, but also to their own nation, on account of the difference of language.
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That is an example of tribalism where it could be argued they are of one race, being all white (Scotland, so yeah, they're going to be white, it's cold up there), but they were divided along racial lines because of the divide between Highland and Lowland.

 

[Speedwell]

I don't. What has me beat is how people can have any moral standards if they believe in evolution.

What is to prevent them? Many of them are Christian and have the same moral standards as you do.

 

[pitabread]

I don't. What has me beat is how people can have any moral standards if they believe in evolution.

Why is this such a puzzle? Moral standards help us function as a society by encouraging standards of behavior and cooperation.

I also asked earlier why evolution would necessarily prohibit morality, but I don't believe you answered that.

 

[lordjeff]

If so there is little we can do about it. Evolutionary change cannot be legislated just because we don't like something about ourselves. Thoughts?

No it's subjective. I watched a podcast given by a shrink & they said it cannot even be considered mental defect. It's molded by the environment.