How Joe Biden Stole The Election

[Tom 1]

Its saddening to me seeing how much people trust the media, liberal or conservative

Don’t trust the media - trust some guy on YouTube instead.

 

[QvQ]

What makes you think you don’t have a secure voting system? Do you really think that your misplaced package is sufficient evidence that postal voting is flawed? Postal voting is common in most developed countries and the number of problems caused is minuscule.

Most countries don't allow mail in votes
France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided
Here is a Link
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems by John R. Lott :: SSRN

 

[SilverBear]

There were 1032 cases of voter fraud convictions.

Nope. 142 in the last 20 years

 

[QvQ]

Nope. 142 in the last 20 years

Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for
Heritage Foundation 1032
Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

 

[Tom 1]

Most countries don't allow mail in votes
France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided
Here is a Link
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems by John R. Lott :: SSRN

You need better sources - the U.K., Ireland, Germany, Spain and several others have used postal voting for decades and other countries have recently followed suit, for obvious reasons. And no, there is no ‘massive fraud’ just as there is no evidence of fraud in the US election. What do you think is the relevance of something that might have happened in Corsica the 70s?

 

[QvQ]

You need better sources...Wikipedia states that most European Countries do not allow postal voting. Russia and Poland do not. Japan does not.
Spain requires ballot harvester (anyone returning someone else's ballot) to have documentation detailing how/why harvester is in possession of someone else's ballot. It is not allowed except for out of country or disabled persons.
Most countries only allow out of country residence and military to vote by mail. Those countries include Mexico.
Ireland does not have postal voting for ex-pats or anyone that I could discover.
Spain
In Spain, for European, regional and municipal elections, voters who will be absent from their town on election day or are ill or disabled, may request a postal vote at a post office. The application must be submitted personally or through a representative in case of illness or disability certified by a medical certificate. '
Please Read Wikipedia or This Link:
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems by John R. Lott :: SSRN

 

[Tom 1]

You need better sources...Wikipedia states that most European Countries do not allow postal voting. Russia and Poland do not. Japan does not.
Spain
In Spain, for European, regional and municipal elections, voters who will be absent from their town on election day or are ill or disabled, may request a postal vote at a post office. The application must be submitted personally or through a representative in case of illness or disability certified by a medical certificate.

You’re aware that the U.K. countries, Germany, Ireland, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, Poland (does have postal voting) are in Europe, yes? Those and a few others use postal voting. This is a normal thing - no fraud, as in the US election. Voting in person is the norm, as it is in most places, which should go without saying. Currently France and other countries who don’t usually allow postal voting (although almost every European country does allow postal votes under certain limited circumstances) are allowing it, for obvious reasons. No fraud. No fraud in the US, none in Europe. Basing your idea on something you think might have happened 40 odd years ago doesn’t strengthen your point.
There are a lot of countries in Europe, and some don’t have the well developed infrastructure needed to organise a range of voting options as effectively as somewhere like the U.K., or Germany, but the US doesn’t have that problem.

 

[tulc]

It is against Federal Law. (snip)

Still a little unclear on what's a bribe huh? Did they receive anything before they voted? Were they directed to vote for a specific candidate in order to receive something? Or: did they show proof of having voted and got something? Because the article seem to indicate that's what happened, and in spite of how ominous and illegal the author tried to make it sound, it wasn't. So to sum up: I asked for proof of fraud and so far nothing has been presented. I'm starting to get the feeling this is more "wishful thinking" than "massive voter fraud".
tulc(tends to get that feeling when no links to evidence is shown after several times of asking)

 

[QvQ]

You’re aware that the U.K. countries, Germany, Ireland, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, Poland (does have postal voting) are in Europe, yes? Those and a few others use postal voting. This is a normal thing - no fraud, as in the US election. Voting in person is the norm, as it is in most places, which should go without saying. Currently France and other countries who don’t usually allow postal voting (although almost every European country does allow postal votes under certain limited circumstances) are allowing it, for obvious reasons. No fraud. No fraud in the US, none in Europe. Basing your idea on something you think might have happened 40 odd years ago doesn’t strengthen your point.
There are a lot of countries in Europe, and some don’t have the well developed infrastructure needed to organise a range of voting options as effectively as somewhere like the U.K., or Germany, but the US doesn’t have that problem.

Absentee voting is Not mail voting.
Spain has Absentee Voting for people who are absent or ill only. It is strictly regulated. Spain does not have mail in voting.
Poland has to date only allowed postal voting in exceptional circumstances, such as voter disability. Last week legislation was approved to allow for a mail-only vote, (Due to Covid 19) which would be subject to amendment by PiS coalition partners to ensure the vote is legal and fair. This is a one time thing, done in May and the Polish people said it was a disaster.
Ireland, doesn't even allow mail in votes for anyone not in residence. Absentee voting is strictly for Diplomats.
India has a special ballot that is supposedly fraud proof.
You are confused about restricted absentee voting and this mass mail fraud machine the democrats loosed on the nation.
What happened in Corsica is relevant because fraud machine yesterday is fraud machine today.

 

[Tom 1]

I have cited case after case. SD, Thune/Johnson election. The videos from Nevada liquor store voting station, busses from California. People were convicted in California for giving money and cigarettes to homeless for ballots. Broward County, boxes of ballots.
It is documented but then again, when it is in their interest or they are the ones doing it, then the official line is...there is no voter fraud.
I am adding a link
‘Fraud Has Been Institutionalized’: Inside Partisan GOTV In Indian Country

There is not one single thing in this article that offers evidence of fraud. Just a lot of insinuation, misrepresentation and - given how making random assertions in favour of anyone they like and against anyone they don’t is the Federalist’s bread and butter - pretty blatant hypocrisy in criticising another organisation for political activism.

 

[Tom 1]

Absentee voting is Not mail voting.
Spain has Absentee Voting for people who are absent or ill only. It is strictly regulated. Spain does not have mail in voting.
Poland has absentee voting only, not blanket mail voting, again regulated.
Ireland, doesn't even allow mail in votes for anyone not in residence. Absentee voting is strictly for Diplomats.
India has a special ballot that is supposedly fraud proof.
You are confused about restricted absentee voting and this mass mail fraud machine the democrats loosed on the nation.
What happened in Corsica is relevant because fraud machine yesterday is fraud machine today.

1) You don’t know what happened in Corsica
2) Postal voting is postal voting. It is used when in person voting is restricted for any reason - such as during a pandemic. As I said, the majority of developed world countries allow postal voting as a matter of course, all of them allow it under certain circumstances
3) There is no evidence of large scale or even small scale fraud, anywhere. Any fraud that might occur is so tiny it doesn’t register, and makes no difference.
4) For some reason you are trying to argue this isn’t the case. It is. That isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s just a fact.

 

[QvQ]

Still a little unclear on what's a bribe huh? Did they receive anything before they voted? Were they directed to vote for a specific candidate in order to receive something? Or: did they show proof of having voted and got something? Because the article seem to indicate that's what happened, and in spite of how ominous and illegal the author tried to make it sound, it wasn't. So to sum up: I asked for proof of fraud and so far nothing has been presented. I'm starting to get the feeling this is more "wishful thinking" than "massive voter fraud".
tulc(tends to get that feeling when no links to evidence is shown after several times of asking)

It is against Federal Law. If you provide food, drink or any other material for people arriving to vote, standing in line to vote or after they vote as part of the voting process, it is illegal.
IT is considered a bribe. There is a law. Do some research.

 

[QvQ]

1) You don’t know what happened in Corsica
2) Postal voting is postal voting. It is used when in person voting is restricted for any reason - such as during a pandemic. As I said, the majority of developed world countries allow postal voting as a matter of course, all of them allow it under certain circumstances
3) There is no evidence of large scale or even small scale fraud, anywhere. Any fraud that might occur is so tiny it doesn’t register, and makes no difference.
4) For some reason you are trying to argue this isn’t the case. It is. That isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s just a fact.

1) A majority of developed world countries Do Not allow mass mail voting. In some restricted cases, absentee voting is allowed.
2) Corsica was large scale, disastrous fraud. The Polish mass mail voting that was allowed for exceptional circumstances in May was a fraudulent disaster.
3) Because of vulnerabilities in the system, election fraud is relatively easy to commit and difficult to detect after-the-fact. Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for.
4)Why are you arguing with facts? I have posted links to all of the articles about "developed countries" I have posted links to fraud cases.
Denial?

 

[tulc]

It is against Federal Law. If you provide food, drink or any other material for people arriving to vote, standing in line to vote or after they vote as part of the voting process, it is illegal.
IT is considered a bribe. There is a law. Do some research.

uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.
tulc(will be interested in seeing the support for this)

 

[tulc]

I might also point out: the stuff they got was provided after voting, not as part of voting. Didn't need to "research that" your article said it So far you're 0 for 2.
tulc(is finishing his coffee for the day)

 

[QvQ]

uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.
tulc(will be interested in seeing the support for this)

Disprove it.. I researched the food vendors who were passing out free food to people standing in long lines to vote in Georgia. It is illegal. I have done enough research while receiving nothing in reply except "prove it.
You do the research and discover why. It is a bribe because...or disprove it.

 

[Tom 1]

1) A majority of developed world countries Do Not allow mass mail voting. In some restricted cases, absentee voting is allowed.
2) Corsica was large scale, disastrous fraud. The Polish mass mail voting that was allowed for exceptional circumstances in May was a fraudulent disaster.
3) Because of vulnerabilities in the system, election fraud is relatively easy to commit and difficult to detect after-the-fact. Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for.
4)Why are you arguing with facts? I have posted links to all of the articles about "developed countries" I have posted links to fraud cases.
Denial?

You don’t appear to understand the difference between random statements and factual information. I do wonder about that, as confusing random statements for facts is the modus operandi of much of what passes for news in the Conservative US media, so it may be a habit picked up from consuming poor quality news media, or maybe it’s a chicken and egg question.

Yes you posted some links, it’s not clear why you think they prove your point. In the developed world - from Canada to Australia and every country in between, there are varying rules relating to postal votes under different circumstances. In some countries this has been the case for decades, in others not, and so on. Your ‘a postal vote is only a postal vote if I say so’ assertion is not relevant - a vote that is sent using a physical postal service is a postal vote, that is what a postal vote is. Neither are your random ideas about what ‘the Polish people’ think of any relevance here. And no, you don’t have any idea about what happened in Corsica in the 1970s.

To recap - most countries allow postal voting. The circumstances under which this is allowed differ. There is no evidence, anywhere, of this leading to a widespread fraud.

What you are referring to - people saying stuff on the internet - is not evidence.

 

[QvQ]

uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.
tulc(will be interested in seeing the support for this)

I researched this during the election because food vendors were passing out food. I guess many people had the same question.
Chavez in Venezuela outraged the US when he offered free food and beer for all voters after voting in his election. I don't suppose Biden is going to prosecute GOTV for passing out gifts to Native Americans for voting as he was the beneficiary.
Here is a quoted excerpt and a link to the article:
"According to Title 18, U.S. code 597, offering food and beverages would be illegal.
It falls under expenditures to influence voting.
The keyword is in Expenditures, which can represent money, food, gifts or anything that Encourages People To Vote.
It says in part, “whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either To Vote or withhold his vote or to vote for or against any candidate … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”
.... but the problem is, it looks like these organizations can potentially be soliciting votes for particular candidates," Gillespie explained. "We want to sort of eliminate any possibility or any hints of that type scandal or bribery going on in a campaign."
So, we can verify, NO, it is not legal to offer food and drinks as a reward to people standing in line to vote. It is technically a federal crime."
Is it legal to offer food or beverages at the polls? | VERIFY | 11alive.com

 

[QvQ]

You don’t appear to understand the difference between random statements and factual information. I do wonder about that, as confusing random statements for facts is the modus operandi of much of what passes for news in the Conservative US media, so it may be a habit picked up from consuming poor quality news media, or maybe it’s a chicken and egg question.

Yes you posted some links, it’s not clear why you think they prove your point. In the developed world - from Canada to Australia and every country in between, there are varying rules relating to postal votes under different circumstances. In some countries this has been the case for decades, in others not, and so on. Your ‘a postal vote is only a postal vote if I say so’ assertion is not relevant - a vote that is sent using a physical postal service is a postal vote, that is what a postal vote is. Neither are your random ideas about what ‘the Polish people’ think of any relevance here. And no, you don’t have any idea about what happened in Corsica in the 1970s.

To recap - most countries allow postal voting. The circumstances under which this is allowed differ. There is no evidence, anywhere, of this leading to a widespread fraud.

What you are referring to - people saying stuff on the internet - is not evidence.

Most countries do not allow postal voting with restricted exceptions. I wish you would read the links. It would be helpful or do some research.
The Polish Constitution does not allow postal voting. There was an exception made in May 2020 for Covid 19 and it was a disaster. Go Read All About It.

 

[Tom 1]

Most countries do not allow postal voting with restricted exceptions. I wish you would read the links. It would be helpful or do some research.
The Polish Constitution does not allow postal voting. There was an exception made in May 2020 for Covid 19 and it was a disaster. Go Read All About It.

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If you are making an argument that most countries don’t have an open ended system whereby anyone can vote in any election for any reason by post, then you have a point. That however is not the point.

Most countries allow postal voting. This is a fact. It is not a matter of opinion. Across the developed world there are few if any countries that do not allow postal voting. Each country has its own regulations regarding the circumstances under which postal voting is allowed.

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud anywhere as a result of postal voting. Even the extensive data put out by the White House of voter fraud over the years adds up to little over 1,000 cases across the whole of the US over several decades, and that includes every case of fraud or attempted fraud of any kind, and relates to very small numbers of votes.