Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

[Timtofly]

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

He reigns for 1000 years. Paul knew He would reign, John told us how long. Death is the last enemy at the end of the 1000 years. It is right there in the verses you quoted.

 

[BABerean2]

He reigns for 1000 years. Paul knew He would reign, John told us how long. Death is the last enemy at the end of the 1000 years. It is right there in the verses you quoted.

Paul also gave us the timeline for Revelation 20, because he said Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Paul also said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing, in 2 Timothy 4:1, and the judgment occurs at the end of Revelation 20.

Therefore, your statement above is correct, since Christ's Second Coming is at the end of Revelation 20.


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[Timtofly]

Matthew 12:29 Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

12 Yeshua answered him, “It also says, ‘Do not put Adonai your God to the test.’” 13 When the Adversary had ended all his testings, he let him alone until an opportune time.

This is the binding of Satan by Jesus. It was not in the pit.

 

[Timtofly]

Paul also gave us the timeline for Revelation 20, because he said Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and the fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

Paul also said Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing, in 2 Timothy 4:1, and the judgment occurs at the end of Revelation 20.

Therefore, your statement above is correct, since Christ's Second Coming is at the end of Revelation 20.

So Christ returns after ruling on earth for 1000 years. Where does it say Christ took a week vacation? We know it is a rule on earth, because it is in Jerusalem the city He loves. Paul is not a date setter. Why do you keep forcing him to be a date setter?

Paul did not say it would be in 1950 years either, yet it has not happened since 80AD, 1940 years ago. It did not happen prior to 80AD, because Paul told the Thessalonians it had not happened yet. There is no historical record of it happening 1990 years ago, 1980 years ago, 1970 years ago, etc..... nor 1950 or 1940 years ago.

The only thing we know is Titus wanted the temple spared to "set up camp" in it, but the rebels burned it down, and they were to busy killing people, to obey Titus and put out the fire. Titus never intended to destroy the temple, but convert it. No prophecy was fulfilled then, because it was not time. The only prophecy fulfilled, was a major destruction, and millions dead. Jesus was correct that those at the mount of Olives would see death and destruction. They would not see His return or Satan revealed as the man of sin, the lawless one. If that did happen, Satan has covered up the historical evidence and remains behind the scenes and still not exposed.

 

[BABerean2]

So Christ returns after ruling on earth for 1000 years.

The text of Revelation 20 says John saw "souls".
Where are souls found, instead of being on earth?


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[Spiritual Jew]

Remember, I am a partial preterist who believes Jesus came in judgment upon Israel in 66-70ad.

I am fully aware of that.

Therefore, I believe the physical temple destruction in 66-70 is intimately tied to the coming of the son of man in judgment on Israel at the end of the age. Based on the viewing the following accounts, the "signs that they are about to be fulfilled/take place" = "sign of the your coming and the end of the age".

Mark 13:4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to be fulfilled?”

Matthew 24:3 While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Lue 21:7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”

I disagree. I believe Jesus answered two questions. The first had to do with when the temple would be destroyed and that did occur in 70 AD. I believe the question about His coming and the end of the age was a separate question and has a global scope rather than the local events that occurred in 66-70 AD..

There was no age that ended in 70 AD. This is where partial preterism falls apart, in my opinion. When Jesus spoke of the end of the age He was talking about the end of the temporal age when people get married and they die in contrast to the eternal new heavens and new earth age to come when people will no longer get married or die.

Luke 20:34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

The end of the age has clearly not come yet as people are still marrying and dying.

If you try to say it has to do with the end of the old covenant age as most partial preterists do, that can't be true either because the old covenant ended when Jesus died on the cross. To deny that is heresy in my view. Just because the temple was not yet destroyed until 70 AD does not mean that the old covenant was still in effect until then. It absolutely was not. Christ's once for all sacrifice made animal sacrifices obsolete immediately.

Linking Paul's passages to the olivet discourse:

1.) the parousia and gathering:
2 thessalonians 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers,

Matthew 24:30-31 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Right, I knew that partial preterists make this connection. And how did this happen around 70 AD exactly?

2.) This parousia and gathering, according to Paul would not occur until after the falling away and man of sin being revealed. I associate these signs with the destruction of the temple in 66-70ad, because Jesus does.

2 thessalonians 2:3 9-11 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the falling away comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction. he coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Matthew 24:9-11 Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

3.) the man of sin would set himself in the temple, but would be destroyed at the parousia of Christ. According to the olivet discourse, the temple destruction occurs at the end of the age at the coming of the son of man.

2 thessalonians 2:4,8 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming

matthew 24:2-3 “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

There is just one glaring problem with this. What Jesus was talking about, as it relates to the time when the temple would be destroyed, were only of events that would happen in and near Jerusalem. So, why would Paul talk to the Thessalonians about events that were going to happen in Jerusalem as if those events would affect them directly? That does not make any sense.

The fact is that some of the events that happened around 70 AD are similar to what will happen when Christ returns except that the first event was a local event to Jerusalem while the second, still future event will be global.

4.) this would happen in the first century generation

Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

I don't take that to be talking about a generation in terms of a 40 year generation or however many years you would consider to be a generation. The Greek word "genea" can refer to a 40 (or however many year) generation of people but also can refer to a certain type of people or can even refer to people in general.

Luke 11:29 As the crowds increased, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. 30 For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation.

The word generation here is used to refer to the Jews as a people and not just the Jews living at that time. The Jews were being contrasted with the Ninevites here.

I believe the word should be understood similarly in Matthew 24:34. The Jewish people will not pass away until all the things He spoke about (not just the things relating to the destruction of the temple) take place. Look at what He said after verse 34:

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Many miss this, but Jesus said in relation to His coming that "heaven and earth will pass away" when He comes. The lines up with what Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And then He indicated that no one knows the day or hour that will happen.

Right after that He compared the day He comes directly to the day the flood came and killed everyone on the earth except Noah and his family. Just as Peter did in 2 Peter 3:3-7. Just as everyone on earth (except believers) were killed in Noah's day, "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man".

How does what Jesus said in Matt 24:35-39 fit with partial preterism? Was the day or hour of what happened in 66-70 AD unknown? No, it was not. If it was then why did Jesus say this (parallel to Matt 24:15-22):

Luke 21:20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Looks to me like they would have known the day or hour of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple because they would see it coming. They would've seen the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem. That doesn't describe not knowing the day or hour of His coming. Not knowing the day or hour means exactly what it sounds like. No one will know until the day it happens except for the Father.

So then you believe this binding will one day end and satan will be able to destroy the church?

No. I believe Jesus when He said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. I believe it will look like he is defeating the church because the church will be so weak but then God will say enough is enough and send His son to take vengeance on all of "those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ" (2 Thess 1:7-10).

No need to be sorry. I also struggle with the traditional amil belief, because it does not line up with the gospel and epistolic narrative. But such is the difficulty in interpreting symbolic and apocalyptic language.

I believe it clearly does line up with it, but what can we do? Just respectfully agree to disagree on that.

I would argue it always literally means "small", "few", "short". It never means "long".

You are misunderstanding me. I am not saying it means long. I'm saying it doesn't necessarily mean a small amount.

I've made this point twice already and I'm wondering if you missed it somehow. Once again, when Jesus said many are called, but few (oligos) are chosen would you agree that the "few" chosen is actually a large number (millions, at least) even though it's less than those who are not chosen?

If so, doesn't this show that the number can refer to a large number in comparison to a larger number? This shows that the word can be used in a relative sense to refer to a limited, but not necessarily small, amount (of people in this case, but also time or whatever it might be).

Can you at least acknowledge it is used that way when Jesus said "many are called, but few (oligos) are chosen?

In the context of all of creation, our lives are literally like mist only lasting a little while and then vanishing. The literal definition of oligos never means long.

So then you believe "few" means the exact same as "many" in that passage?

I am amazed that you would ask that question. That is not at all what I was saying. I explained what I meant above. Hopefully, you understand now. If not, then just say so and I will try again to clarify my point regarding this.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The stars in the sky are angels. If you think they are large balls of gasses, you think Satan's deception is literal.

I know they are angels because stars are described as angels elsewhere in the book. That was my point. My point is that you have to be careful about interpreting the book of Revelation too literally. Would you agree?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Sorry but we do not war against angels. That is a flimsy interpretation.

How do you interpret this passage:

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

He reigns for 1000 years. Paul knew He would reign, John told us how long. Death is the last enemy at the end of the 1000 years. It is right there in the verses you quoted.

Isn't death defeated at the time of the last trumpet? When do you believe the last trumpet will sound?

1 Corinthians 15:51
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

 

[ewq1938]

Isn't death defeated at the time of the last trumpet? When do you believe the last trumpet will sound?

1 Corinthians 15:51
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

Death is swallowed up for the saved at the 7th trump but that doesn't apply to the unsaved. Death will still continue past the second coming for them. Death is only gone for good when it's cast into the LOF.

 

[BABerean2]

Death is swallowed up for the saved at the 7th trump but that doesn't apply to the unsaved. Death will still continue past the second coming for them. Death is only gone for good when it's cast into the LOF.

How are mortals going to survive the fire found below?


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.


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[ewq1938]

The fire is how fast Christ returns not used as weapon. Also, the verb in verse 8 is present tense but in verse 9 the verb regarding being punished with everlasting destruction is in the future tense so what is found in verse 9 is not happening at the second coming events of verse 8.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

This verb is in the FUTURE TENSE which means that the everlasting destruction ie: GWTJ/LOF is NOT happening at the second coming but is a FUTURE event after the second coming just as Premill teaches.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Interlinear: who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength,

You can verify in the link above that the verb tisousin is in the future tense: verb tense: future indicative active.

How are mortals going to survive the fire found below?


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.


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[Spiritual Jew]

Death is swallowed up for the saved at the 7th trump but that doesn't apply to the unsaved. Death will still continue past the second coming for them. Death is only gone for good when it's cast into the LOF.

Let's assume this was correct even though it's not. Does that mean no one will be saved after the second coming during a proposed earthly millennial kingdom? That would have to be the case if death has already been defeated and swallowed up for the saved before that.

Paul was quoting Isaiah 25:8 when he said "death has been swallowed up in victory" so 1 Cor 15:54 is the fulfullment of Isaiah 25:8.

Isaiah 25:7 On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; 8 he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken.

This verse was quoted here as well:

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.....4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

This shows that the seventh trumpet not only signals the end of death for believers, but also the end of death for mankind. Death can certainly be considered to be no longer even before it's cast into the LOF. At the exact moment that the last person dies with no one else dying after that then the last enemy death will be have been defeated (1 Cor 15:26) and death will have been swallowed up in victory (1 Cor 15:54 - Isa 25:8).

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The fire is how fast Christ returns not used as weapon. Also, the verb in verse 8 is present tense but in verse 9 the verb regarding being punished with everlasting destruction is in the future tense so what is found in verse 9 is not happening at the second coming events of verse 8.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

This verb is in the FUTURE TENSE which means that the everlasting destruction ie: GWTJ/LOF is NOT happening at the second coming but is a FUTURE event after the second coming just as Premill teaches.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 Interlinear: who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength,

You can verify in the link above that the verb tisousin is in the future tense: verb tense: future indicative active.

If only there were other scriptures that BABerean2 could use to support his claim. Oh, wait. There is. In 2 Peter 3:3-13, Peter teaches that fire will come down upon the entire earth when Christ returns. That fire will destroy all unbelievers including the scoffers that Peter mentioned who scoff at the possibility of Him coming back.

The fact that global destruction will come down when Christ returns was taught by Christ Himself as well in Matthew 24:36-39 where He said that just as all unbelievers were destroyed in Noah's day, "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man".

 

[Timtofly]

The text of Revelation 20 says John saw "souls".
Where are souls found, instead of being on earth?

You stopped reading after seeing the word souls. Why is that?

BaBerean2: "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for testifying about Yeshua and proclaiming the Word of God, also those who had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands."

GOD: "Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them received authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for testifying about Yeshua and proclaiming the Word of God, also those who had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands. They came to life and ruled with the Messiah for a thousand years."

Why did you leave out thrones and the fact these souls were judged? Why did you leave out, "They came to life and ruled with the Messiah for a thousand years."?

Most importantly verse 9: "and they came up over the breadth of the Land and surrounded the camp of God’s people and the city he loves."

These souls in verse 4 have reigned with Christ in Jerusalem on earth. Satan gathers an army on the same earth. The marching towards Jerusalem is on earth. The fire comes down from Heaven: "But fire came down from heaven and consumed them." How can this be any where, but earth?

 

[Timtofly]

I know they are angels because stars are described as angels elsewhere in the book. That was my point. My point is that you have to be careful about interpreting the book of Revelation too literally. Would you agree?

No one can be too literal when it comes to Revelation. The stars falling to earth like figs leaves, is literally stars coming to earth. Literally human size angels now walking among humanity. How more literal can one get?

In Revelation 20 the word 1000 is literally 1000. You cannot get more literal than 1000.

It seems to me trying to figure out some of the symbols blindly can be an issue. Or turning a literal thought into symbolism, no?

 

[ewq1938]

Let's assume this was correct even though it's not. Does that mean no one will be saved after the second coming during a proposed earthly millennial kingdom? That would have to be the case if death has already been defeated and swallowed up for the saved before that.

Anyone who gets saved after the second coming would still be able to be saved and thus death would be defeated for them.

This shows that the seventh trumpet not only signals the end of death for believers, but also the end of death for mankind.

That's incorrect. Death still exists for the unsaved past the second coming. Death is not destroyed for all until it is cast into the LOF.

Death can certainly be considered to be no longer even before it's cast into the LOF.

How can death be no longer before it is destroyed? Have you forgotten the second death that is happening prior to death being destroyed?

At the exact moment that the last person dies with no one else dying after that then the last enemy death will be have been defeated (1 Cor 15:26) and death will have been swallowed up in victory (1 Cor 15:54 - Isa 25:8).

Paul was speaking only of the saved not the unsaved. There is no victory for the unsaved for they shall experience the second death and only after that does death cease to exist. Even in Amill death exists past the second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

If only there were other scriptures that BABerean2 could use to support his claim. Oh, wait. There is. In 2 Peter 3:3-13, Peter teaches that fire will come down upon the entire earth when Christ returns. That fire will destroy all unbelievers including the scoffers that Peter mentioned who scoff at the possibility of Him coming back.

That passage doesn't teach a global destruction of all unbelievers at the second coming. No passage does.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This is commonly mistaken for being the second coming but it is a different "day of the Lord". A quick search of the bible will reveal that many different days of the Lord, sometimes called the day of the Lord, other times we see the day of the Lord Jesus, and sometimes "the day of God". A day of the Lord/God is a day when something big/important happens. It is not only the second coming which comes like a thief in the night. The day of the GWTJ will also come as a thief in the night ie: unexpectedly to those who are blind and in darkness.

2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Here "the day of God" is used and it refers to the GWTJ which is long after the second coming is completed. The GWTJ does not happen at or during the second coming. It is a separate and different day altogether. Once the judging and punishing is finished, then will the NHNE arrive and the spiritual dissolving and melting of the former Earth and Heavens which is likely referring to the evil aspects of each rather than the literal Heaven and literal Earth burning literally.

We can be sure the burning and melting of the Earth and Heaven does not happen at the second coming because no second coming passage has any of that happening thus it is a misinterpretation to think the above verses about that fire are related to the second coming.

The fact that global destruction will come down when Christ returns was taught by Christ Himself as well in Matthew 24:36-39 where He said that just as all unbelievers were destroyed in Noah's day, "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man".

Funny because in another gospel the story of Lot is also used and all unbelievers weren't killed that day so neither of these prove that. Was everyone on the Ark a "believer"? Even in Lot's family there was one who certainly wasn't.


Christ himself said people will live past the second coming:

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming and slaying. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

No one can be too literal when it comes to Revelation. The stars falling to earth like figs leaves, is literally stars coming to earth.

If stars literally fell to earth they would annihilate the earth. Trust me on this. So, is that what you think will happen when it talks about stars falling to earth? And why are those stars literal while you recognize other references to stars in the book as being angels? Where is the consistency in that?

 

[ewq1938]

If stars literally fell to earth they would annihilate the earth. Trust me on this.

I think he means the word star can have two literal meanings, suns or angels. Even the word angel has two meanings as sometimes it means a messenger and can refer to a human or it can simply refer to a heavenly being not delivering a message, often called a star or angel.