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want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

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zoidar

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According to the salvation losers one sin and Jesus will give you das boot outta the Kingdom. At the same time they themselves will insist they live completely sin free lives, par with Jesus. They won`t admit but by logic it is a works for salvation theology. Have to be sin free to be saved = saved by living sin free.

I don't think most "we can lose salvation - people" believe it is this easy to lose salvation, very few I believe.

When a believer lives a worldly life the heart is mudded up, hardened, the Holy Spirit is quenched. Since it's the Holy Spirit that gives us faith, I'm sure faith can be quenched. Paul warns us not to quench the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19).
 
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Interesting but makes me wonder. Does it take one sin to keep me out of heaven? I don't always ask for forgiveness after sinning, doesn't the blood of Christ still cover the sin? It feels like Christians have very different ideas of what sin is. Some say just thinking a bad thought is sinning enough to deserv damnation. From that perspective it seems impossible your view is correct.

It's really pretty simple...Jesus told us exactly what we need to do. It's all in the lords prayer he taught us, the part where we are to ask "Forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Pray it daily, and we should be fine.
 
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Interesting but makes me wonder. Does it take one sin to keep me out of heaven? I don't always ask for forgiveness after sinning, doesn't the blood of Christ still cover the sin? It feels like Christians have very different ideas of what sin is. Some say just thinking a bad thought is sinning enough to deserv damnation. From that perspective it seems impossible your view is correct.

It’s clear in scripture that continually sinning is what makes a believer fall, not just one sin.

For example, no drunkard shall enter the kingdom of heaven, wrote Paul - but getting drunk once isn’t being a drunkard.

But if someone is getting drunk regularly, without repenting of it, they qualify as being a drunkard, and can’t enter heaven in that unrepentant state.

It would be a good idea for a believer to repent when the HS convicts them that they just committed one of the sins of the flesh that Paul warns many times, will keep them out of heaven.

Shalom.
 
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It's really pretty simple...Jesus told us exactly what we need to do. It's all in the lords prayer he taught us, the part where we are to ask "Forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Pray it daily, and we should be fine.

The Lord’s Prayer isn’t a salvational text.
 
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Can you please show me a quote of someone making those two claims? Actually by the sound of those posts, you should be able to show me several posters making the claim.

The thread has way too many posts for me to go picking through and do that. But my stance has changed from being semi-nuetral seeking to learn to a more aggressive state. Next time one of you salvation losers comes out with it I`ll be sure to point it out.
 
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The Lord’s Prayer isn’t a salvational text.

Not saying it is...its a talk to God and among other things, ask for forgiveness daily, text.

See what my post was in answer too for more details
 
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The thread has way too many posts for me to go picking through and do that. But my stance has changed from being semi-nuetral seeking to learn to a more aggressive state. Next time one of you salvation losers comes out with it I`ll be sure to point it out.

Not buying it.

The bigger the thread, the easier they shoul be to find, and truth is, you won't find a single person who made either of those claims.
 
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Because that’s my answer that pertains to the topic, and the truth doesn’t lose.

Whats your answer again? What world I do my research in or Arminimania? If you think Arminimania supports anything but the election you misunderstand it.
 
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It's really pretty simple...Jesus told us exactly what we need to do. It's all in the lords prayer he taught us, the part where we are to ask "Forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Pray it daily, and we should be fine.

It sounds beautiful, but at the same ritualistic. But you know, I love that prayer! :heart:Prayed it as a kid many nights for comfort, before I knew Christ.
 
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That's fine, but it's not what is meant by "the Elect" or "Election."


The concept holds that some people were chosen by God to be his saved ones.


Like so many other things about this subject, we have not been given to know everything about God's ways, decisions, purposes, and so on. Nor do we know WHO is among the Elect. For those who are convinced by Scripture that this is a correct way of looking at the matter, it is sufficient to know that God has his Elect.


Yes.
I'm looking for something positive.
 
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Romans 9
Rom 9:11-23
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls — she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,
Did you not read this? I have highlighted the relevant part.

The New Testament words "chosen, choose, and election" are the same. The Old Testament word is simply "chosen." From the above Scripture many have felt that God chooses some to be saved and some to be lost. Again I want to point out that predestination and election (choosing) have nothing to do with the lost, but are for the saved.

From the following Scriptures we learn what the choosing, or election, of God is about:'' For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, THAT THE PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, not of works, but of him that calleth); It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." (Rom. 9:9-13).

At once we point out that election, or choosing, has to do with service; THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. It does not say, "The younger shall be saved, and the elder shall be lost." No, but simply, "the elder shall SERVE the younger." Thus choosing, or election, has to do with service. "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" wasn't said of these two men before they were born, but hundreds of years after they died.


God hated the descendants of Esau because of their unbelief, and loved the descendants of Jacob because of their faith.


In the 15th chapter of John's Gospel, the Lord Jesus said that He had chosen (elected) them disciples. For salvation? No, for service. Even Judas was chosen! For damnation? No, but like Pharoh, who was a fit vessel unto wrath - after being given many chances to believe, refused, and thus was used for God's purpose.

The prophet Isaiah says that Israel is God's chosen people (Isaiah 41:8). Does this mean that all Jews are saved? No. It simply means that God has chosen Israel for a service. And we know what that service was: to give us the Word of God and to give us the Lord Jesus Christ!

The same prophet, Isaiah, says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Chosen Servant of God (Isaiah 42:1). Does this mean that God chose the Lord Jesus to be saved? Of course not! For He is the SAVIOUR! But God did choose His Son for a service - and that service was to be the Lamb of God who would die for the sins of the world. And He was the obedient Servant, being obedient unto death, even the death of the Cross!

Now back to the original text, as found in Ephesians 1:4. What has God elected or chosen us for? He has chosen us for service - "that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love."

Thus, we conclude that God does not predestinate or elect men to be saved or lost, but that salvation is on the basis of "WHOSOEVER WILL!"- "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth, say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely." (Rev. 22:17).

by Dr. Mark G. Cambron,
Seaside Mission,
North Miami Beach, Florida
 
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I don't think most "we can lose salvation - people" believe it is this easy to lose salvation, very few I believe.

When a believer lives a worldly life the heart is mudded up, hardened, the Holy Spirit is quenched. Since it's the Holy Spirit that gives us faith, I'm sure faith can be quenched. Paul warns us not to quench the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19).

It`s the position of a lot of them I have met in the past and it is the position of BibleHighlighter. I think it will prove to be the position of some others on this thread as well. He`s got the one sin and out view and I will start calling out on that. What you are talking about is something different. But at this point I`m not sure about you either. LOL! But you have a good attitude about things and I would enjoy challenging some of your opinions about the gospel.
 
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It`s the position of a lot of them I have met in the past and it is the position of BibleHighlighter. I think it will prove to be the position of some others on this thread as well. He`s got the one sin and out view and I will start calling out on that. What you are talking about is something different. But at this point I`m not sure about you either. LOL! But you have a good attitude about things and I would enjoy challenging some of your opinions about the gospel.
Not so much one sin, there are lots including blasphemy, unbelief, rejection, ungodliness...

There are rules and laws for everything in life, break one and you are in trouble. It is the same in Christianity. Break God's laws and you are out. This is why OSAS is so tragically wrong.
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It`s the position of a lot of them I have met in the past and it is the position of BibleHighlighter. I think it will prove to be the position of some others on this thread as well. He`s got the one sin and out view and I will start calling out on that. What you are talking about is something different. But at this point I`m not sure about you either. LOL! But you have a good attitude about things and I would enjoy challenging some of your opinions about the gospel.

Do you belong to a specific denomination or church?

Have to go to bed. Good night people!
 
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It sounds beautiful, but at the same ritualistic. But you know, I love that prayer! :heart:Prayed it as a kid many nights for comfort, before I knew Christ.

I get what you are saying, and Jesus did say to pray along those lines, so changing it out a bit my help with the ritualisic part. It is a great prayer, and I guess that's why I usually leave it as it is..
 
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