BLM and ANTIFA protests....

[rambot]

Not sure those who had their businesses destroyed and burned down really care to hear this. Or the people drug out of cars and beaten. Or shot in Portland.

Yeah. I'm really sorry that context and a bigger picture was hard for you to hear.

 

[Ken-1122]

For some reason your assertion doesn't seem to be having much impact on them. Any ideas why?

How do you know my questions had no impact on them?

 

[98cwitr]

Yeah. I'm really sorry that context and a bigger picture was hard for you to hear.

It's not really. I lump peaceful and violent into two quite separate and distinct categories. Marxism has historically used vandalism, destruction, and violence to kick off political revolutions. Why should we think this is any different?

 

[rambot]

It's not really. I lump peaceful and violent into two quite separate and distinct categories. Marxism has historically used vandalism, destruction, and violence to kick off political revolutions. Why should we think this is any different?

No, I mean you must have been disappointed to hear that only 93% of protests were violent.

 

[98cwitr]

No, I mean you must have been disappointed to hear that only 93% of protests were violent.

It's only the violence that disappoints me, not the percentage.

 

[rambot]

It's only the violence that disappoints me, not the percentage.

So you are pretty upset that half of that violence was carried out by white nationalists too right?

And I'm SURE that those groups get as MUCH of your discontent as the black groups right?

 

[Ken-1122]

So you are pretty upset that half of that violence was carried out by white nationalists too right?

Which cities had nationalists rioting? All the cities I've seen the rioting was done by Antifa, Black Blok, or other such anarchist groups. Where were the nationalists rioting?

 

[KCfromNC]

How do you know my questions had no impact on them?

Not so much know as have no reason to think otherwise.

 

[Belk]

It's not really. I lump peaceful and violent into two quite separate and distinct categories. Marxism has historically used vandalism, destruction, and violence to kick off political revolutions. Why should we think this is any different?

So the same methods every other revolution, including our own country, has used?

 

[rambot]

Which cities had nationalists rioting? All the cities I've seen the rioting was done by Antifa, Black Blok, or other such anarchist groups. Where were the nationalists rioting?

Within the same protests Ken. Were you not paying attention to THAT news? The violence THEY were perpetrating?

Also, you may want to ensure your descriptors are a bit more precise...as Antifa are not an anarchist group.

 

[Ken-1122]

Within the same protests Ken. Were you not paying attention to THAT news? The violence THEY were perpetrating?

Again; which cities are you talking about? Are you saying in all the cities where black Blok and Antifa were rioting and destroying property, there were white supremacists destroying property also?

 

[Ken-1122]

Not so much know as have no reason to think otherwise.

My goal was not to have an impact on them, my goal was to find out what they were complaining about.

 

[rambot]

Again; which cities are you talking about? Are you saying in all the cities where black Blok and Antifa were rioting and destroying property, there were white supremacists destroying property also?

Nope. I am talking about the news article that was posted earlier in the thread. Post 30

Why would it matter what cities?

 

[Ken-1122]

Nope. I am talking about the news article that was posted earlier in the thread. Post 30

Why would it matter what cities?

I didn't see any white supremacists destroying property on any of the news reports; I was wondering in which part of the country is this happening.

 

[rambot]

I didn't see any white supremacists destroying property on any of the news reports; I was wondering in which part of the country is this happening.

So all you saw was BLM protestors breaking stuff on the news.

I hear, as a consistent wind from the right, to never trust the news. Fake news.

And then this....

 

[Ken-1122]

So all you saw was BLM protestors breaking stuff on the news.

More like Antifa using the BLM protest as an excuse to start the rioting.

 

[Sparagmos]

Hello Sparagmos, as I said, the 100 days were of protests AND riots, not 100 days of riots. Or, as the AP article title in my post put it: Portland’s grim reality: 100 days of protests, many violent

My point is, one day (or even one incident) of violence is FAR too much, and we have had FAR more than that, a fact that this thread has already made clear

--David

Does that apply to all groups or just the ones you don’t agree with? Does it apply to all social movements? What about state-sponsored violence? Is that acceptable?

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello @Sparagmos, I don't condone violence against innocents whenever/wherever it's happening.

As for "state-sponsored" violence, which one of our State(s) is guilty of doing that The only official, state-sponsored violence that I can think off hand is abortion, and I certainly do not condone that.

--David

 

[Quartermaine]

More like Antifa using the BLM protest as an excuse to start the rioting.

how do you know it was Antifa? did you spot their decoder rings?

 

[Sparagmos]

Hello @Sparagmos, I don't condone violence against innocents whenever/wherever it's happening.

As for "state-sponsored" violence, which one of our State(s) is guilty of doing that The only official, state-sponsored violence that I can think off hand is abortion, and I certainly do not condone that.

--David

Yes but you aren’t just condemning violence, you are condemning a movement that is 98% peaceful due to a small amount of violence. I’m asking if you apply that standard everywhere. Every social movement has included some violence. Do you therefore condemn all social movements? Many innocents are killed in war. Are you opposed to all war?

When I say “state sponsored violence” I mean violence committed by a government. That includes everything from war to police brutality.