Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

[DavidPT]

First off, the trumpets start the HURT in planet earth, as told in chapter 7. They are the start of God systematically destroying the earth and the sinners in the earth. They are the starting events of God's wrath.

But, trumpet 7 is after the first 6 trumpets, and that it is during the 7th trumpet where there is first any mention of destroying those that are destroying the earth. Yet, you say God starts systematically destroying the earth beginning with the first trumpet, while Revelation 11 tells us, that up until the 7th trumpet, it has not been God that has been destroying the earth, it has been others that have.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

According to your interpretation, if we were to believe it over what verse 18 says, the fact you say God had been destroying the earth starting with the first trumpet, that should mean God will set out to destroy Himself since He is the one that has been destroying the earth up until this point.

And besides that, look how that chapter ends---and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Where do we find in Revelation where this flows into? It can't be ch 12 nor 13, there is no earthquake, and great hail, recorded in the beginning of those chapters. Obviously then, at least to some of us anyway, the 42 month reign of the beast recorded in Revelation 13, it does not chronologically follow the 7th trumpet, the 7th trumpet is instead at the end of that reign.

To continue where Revelation 11:18 left off, one needs to fast forward to at least ch 15 and 16, because that is the time frame in view here, and certainly not at or before the beginning of the 42 month reign of the beast instead.

 

[Timtofly]

“The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such concrete evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the pretribulationist doctrine. In doing so they oppose the clear truth of God’s Word rather than those who firmly hold the truth.

Reigning for 1000 years does not deny for ever and ever. It means the first 1000 years is current human understanding. This reign still continues on past 1000 years in a new understanding. You are not holding the truth of Revelation 20. You reject God's Word for your own understanding. Premil say both the 1000 years and for ever is the concrete unchangeable Word of God.

 

[Timtofly]

Obviously then, at least to some of us anyway, the 42 month reign of the beast recorded in Revelation 13, it does not chronologically follow the 7th trumpet, the 7th trumpet is instead at the end of that reign.

It is both. The 7th trumpet is a week long celebration sounding. "In the days of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet". Satan's 42 months interrupted the week of Celebration. The 7th Trumpet does not start again. The 7th Trumpet continues for the whole 42 months, and does not stop until the battle of Armageddon is finished and those humans are destroyed who worshipped Satan.

God is not destroying creation. God is moving creation around. The time of sin and separation is over. This destruction of the wicked is only cosmetic and environmental. Sorta like today where we are told humans are destroying the ability to sustain life. Satan "destroyed" the chance to live in Paradise by tempting Eve. Overworking the planet has always been the reason environmentalists have been unreasonably pessimistic. In Satan's 42 months, all resources will be wasted making today look like a cornucopia. Wasting resources is the only destruction humans can do.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Reigning for 1000 years does not deny for ever and ever. It means the first 1000 years is current human understanding. This reign still continues on past 1000 years in a new understanding. You are not holding the truth of Revelation 20. You reject God's Word for your own understanding. Premil say both the 1000 years and for ever is the concrete unchangeable Word of God.

Like every 2nd coming passage in scripture, there is no mention of a 1000 years here. That is because it is not going to happen in the future. It refers to that intra-advent period.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It is both. The 7th trumpet is a week long celebration sounding. "In the days of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet". Satan's 42 months interrupted the week of Celebration. The 7th Trumpet does not start again. The 7th Trumpet continues for the whole 42 months, and does not stop until the battle of Armageddon is finished and those humans are destroyed who worshipped Satan.

God is not destroying creation. God is moving creation around. The time of sin and separation is over. This destruction of the wicked is only cosmetic and environmental. Sorta like today where we are told humans are destroying the ability to sustain life. Satan "destroyed" the chance to live in Paradise by tempting Eve. Overworking the planet has always been the reason environmentalists have been unreasonably pessimistic. In Satan's 42 months, all resources will be wasted making today look like a cornucopia. Wasting resources is the only destruction humans can do.

The last trumpet is the end of the world. You cannot get around that. You are fighting with the scriptures again.

 

[Timtofly]

Like every 2nd coming passage in scripture, there is no mention of a 1000 years here. That is because it is not going to happen in the future. It refers to that intra-advent period.

Of course a thousand years will happen. This term is called the Lord's Day. Peter said do not be ignorant. John does not use the term Lord's Day, and is not ignorant. He calls it what it is, 1000 years. If John is symbolic he would have said the Lord's Day. John is being literal and not using the symbolic term.

Why are you using a literal phrase to symbolize another symbol? Why use a literal term to create a non literal period of time?

 

[Timtofly]

The last trumpet is the end of the world. You cannot get around that. You are fighting with the scriptures again.

So the world ends before Satan’s 42 months? That is good news.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Of course a thousand years will happen. This term is called the Lord's Day. Peter said do not be ignorant. John does not use the term Lord's Day, and is not ignorant. He calls it what it is, 1000 years. If John is symbolic he would have said the Lord's Day. John is being literal and not using the symbolic term.

Why are you using a literal phrase to symbolize another symbol? Why use a literal term to create a non literal period of time?

I have already exposed the fallacy of this argument here and no Premil has been able to rebut that. I wonder why?

Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

 

[BABerean2]

Your definition of the spiritual birth has no explanation.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


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[iamlamad]

I have already exposed the fallacy of this argument here and no Premil has been able to rebut that. I wonder why?

Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

I already answer this in the negative. If anything, longer.

 

[iamlamad]

So the world ends before Satan’s 42 months? That is good news.

His theory ROBS Satan and the beast of their promised 42 months - since it begins at the 7th trumpet!.

We expose error after error in his theories, but will he ever admit it?

 

[iamlamad]

The last trumpet is the end of the world. You cannot get around that. You are fighting with the scriptures again.

I would rather say, you are misusing scripture.

 

[iamlamad]

Like every 2nd coming passage in scripture, there is no mention of a 1000 years here. That is because it is not going to happen in the future. It refers to that intra-advent period.

Your "intra-advent is just more error. There is church age, or the age of grace, which is where we are now. It is for the Gentiles, and God is waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles to come in. For the Jews, this church age has been a free ride. This age (for the Gentiles) will end at the pretrib rapture, and TIME will then be "Day of the Lord.) (6th seal). Shortly after the start of the DAY (6th seal) the 7th seal will be opened: the official start of the 70th week of Daniel - JEWISH time. The church will be in heaven.

If you choose to stay behind, I think the Lord will honor your faith. After all, everything we get from heaven comes by and through faith. If this is what you choose - and it seems your mind is made up - You will be overcome. That is the ONE verse for those days that you can put your faith in. A little advice: don't wait until you are dying of thirst: just turn yourself in and get it over with. We will see you somewhere on the streets of gold. On the other hand, if you are LOOKING FOR HIM, rather than expecting the see the Beast, you can escape what is coming.

Just so you know, the 1000 years is guaranteed to happen in our future: it is written in stone, so to speak: the written word of God.

 

[iamlamad]

But, trumpet 7 is after the first 6 trumpets, and that it is during the 7th trumpet where there is first any mention of destroying those that are destroying the earth. Yet, you say God starts systematically destroying the earth beginning with the first trumpet, while Revelation 11 tells us, that up until the 7th trumpet, it has not been God that has been destroying the earth, it has been others that have.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

According to your interpretation, if we were to believe it over what verse 18 says, the fact you say God had been destroying the earth starting with the first trumpet, that should mean God will set out to destroy Himself since He is the one that has been destroying the earth up until this point.

And besides that, look how that chapter ends---and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Where do we find in Revelation where this flows into? It can't be ch 12 nor 13, there is no earthquake, and great hail, recorded in the beginning of those chapters. Obviously then, at least to some of us anyway, the 42 month reign of the beast recorded in Revelation 13, it does not chronologically follow the 7th trumpet, the 7th trumpet is instead at the end of that reign.

To continue where Revelation 11:18 left off, one needs to fast forward to at least ch 15 and 16, because that is the time frame in view here, and certainly not at or before the beginning of the 42 month reign of the beast instead.

But, trumpet 7 is after the first 6 trumpets, and that it is during the 7th trumpet where there is first any mention of destroying those that are destroying the earth. Go back and read it again. That part about destroying is a PROPHECY given by the elders. It is not part of John's timeline, but John heard it so he wrote what they prophesied. Go back and study the first 6 trumpets: without a doubt that is God systematically destroying the world and the sinners in the world, just as Old Testament mentions of the Day of the Lord said would happen. Just so you know, the first 6 trumpets take up the first half of the week, and the 7th marks the exact midpoint, as proven by the fleeing in 12:6 because they just saw the abomination that will divide the week.

In a way, God is destroying the world with the trumpets and vials but that is only His response to man's sin: MAN is to blame for WHY God must destroy the world. He is a consuming fire, and He will end up consuming all sin and destroying it forever. Do you DOUBT that turning 1/3 of the sea into blood - and 1/3 of the fresh water radiated with nukes is destruction? When its time for the vials, it is TOTAL, not 1/3.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

I wonder how he ark of the covenant relates to the lighting and hail? My guess is, since this follows the prophecy given by the elders, it to is prophesying of future events.

"Them which destroy" is a present tense verb, as is "them that fear thy name." The rest is John's typical Greek Aorist verbs that have not timing at all. They have no "tense." In other words, it sounds like the nations WERE angry, but in the Greek, it would be "nations angry" with no timing information.

From "Thy wrath is come" all we can say is God must still be angry. His wrath started with the Day of His wrath. We know God is still angry when its time for the vials, for they are filled with His wrath.

We know he dead will be judged and rewards given as shown in Revelation 20, which is another proof this is a prophecy of future events.

"shouldest destroy" them which are now destroying the earth (present tense.) God's part here is again and Aorist verb that shows no tense. We can see that the destruction or "hurt" (chapter 7) started with the trumpets, and will get much worse with the vials. The 7th vial will indeed, destroy the earth - the world's worst earthquake.

To continue where Revelation 11:18 left off, one needs to fast forward to at least ch 15 and 16 That is because what you were reading is a prophecy given by the elders.

 

[iamlamad]

Because you have no proof text anywhere in Scripture you keep resorting to Daniel 9 to sustain your theory. However, time and time again Pretribbers have carefully ducked around the most basic question pertaining to Daniel 9 that forbid your teaching.

If scriptural proof means anything to Pretribbers, I will ask again:

1. Where is a tribulation mentioned in Daniel 9?
2. Where is a 7-year tribulation mentioned in Daniel 9?
3. Where is the rapture mentioned in Daniel 9?
4. Where is a 3rd coming mentioned in Daniel 9?
5. Where in Daniel 9 does it tell us to sever the last 7 years off from this harmonious prophecy relating to Christ’s 1st Coming and propel it 2,000 years into the unknown?
6. Where is antichrist mentioned in Daniel 9?
7. Where does it say that antichrist will make a peace covenant with Israel for 7 years in Daniel 9?
8. Where does it say that antichrist will break a peace covenant with Israel in Daniel 9?
9. Where are the tribulation saints mentioned in Daniel 9?
10. Where does it mention the rebuilding of a third temple?

You are like a broken record, repeat, repeat, repeat, close mind and repeat again.

Wisdom decrees we form doctrine from ALL end times scriptures, not just one chapter!
Just to remind you, Daniel did not write of the 1000 years; but John DID.
Daniel did not mention a third temple, but John DID.

If scriptural proof means anything you to, broaden your horizon and stop trying to form doctrine from an isolated text!

In other words, these questions are silly at best.

 

[iamlamad]

Paul explains the type of Body. Jesus Christ explains the when. Nicodemus asked if a person had to enter the womb again. You tell me when the change occurs. It does not happen during physical life, or some would have incorruptible bodies now. It happens at death, because the thief was physically with God that day, when he died on the Cross and was born from above.

Your definition of the spiritual birth has no explanation. The spiritual birth is an incorruptible body. The change is at death. Paul says we shall not all die, but we will all be changed. Death is the change, no? Only those alive at His coming will be changed in the air.

Paul does not say the change or being born again has to wait for both the NT and OT dead until the return. The change was available at the Cross. That is when the souls of those in Abraham's bosom were given incorruptible bodies, to enter Paradise. Until the Cross, entrance of flesh and blood was denied. At the Cross all OT believers were born again. That is why Nicodemus had no understanding of the second birth. All the OT were in sheol in Abraham's bosom as souls, not bodies. We have no excuse, we have the NT that explains it to us.

Sorry, but this is simply wrong. We do have a spirit body of some sort: when our spirit man leaves our body, it is not like a formless glob! It still looks like US. So it is a spirit body of some kind. But it is NOT our resurrection body. The church will get resurrection bodies at the rapture.

In the same way, the preincarnate Jesus had a body that Moses and Abraham SAW. But then He got a human body and will have it forever.

 

[iamlamad]

The seven trumpets outlined in Revelation chapters 8 to 10 are the only set of prophetic trumpets in Scripture. In the light of the explicit teaching and consistent pattern relating to the last trump elsewhere in the New Testament, and in order for what I am presenting to be true, accurate, compatible and complete (and all truth must fulfil this demanding criteria), the last trumpet in Revelation – number seven – must be a clear, vivid picture of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. When the Bible student carefully analyses the graphic descriptive detail of the seventh trumpet in Revelation in the light of other like Scripture he is left in no doubt to its subject matter and its startling cohesion with other prophetic readings. The last trumpet outlined in Revelation 10 correlates in every detail with the same last trumpet outlined in other New Testament passages and a beautiful symbolic picture of the one final glorious Second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The seven trumpets outlined in Revelation chapters 8 to 10 are the only set of prophetic trumpets in Scripture. So what? They may well be the only trumpets that are judgments too.

in order for what I am presenting to be true, accurate, compatible and complete
What you present is NONE of these things you mention. What you present is your theory - and that is not compatible with scripture. Oh, I am sure you THINK it does. When you bring together (as if they fit together) a scripture from after the trib of those days and say it fits with a scripture that is before wrath, it is simply not compatible. How can two events be the same events when they happen over 7 years apart? Just the fact that one is found in Rev. 6 and the other is around the time of His coming in Rev. 19 should be a strong clue. It would be for most people.

In the light of the explicit teaching and consistent pattern relating to the last trump elsewhere in the New Testament, and in order for what I am presenting to be true, accurate, compatible and complete (and all truth must fulfil this demanding criteria), the last trumpet in Revelation – number seven – must be a clear, vivid picture of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is a case in point: trying to say Paul's "last trump" is the 7th trumpet when they cannot possibly be the same, for several reasons. The last trump could be associated with the "trump of God" as written in 1 Thes. 4. That is an association that fits.
1. Did you just not notice that the trumpet associated with the rapture is the trumpet of GOD? God Himself will sound this trumpet, not a created angel.
2. The trumpet associated with the rapture has nothing to do with a woe: rather, it is a blessing.

Where you miss it: God is not going to send angels to collect all trumpets, so that never again can a trumpet sound - so the rapture trumpet will indeed be the last trumpet ever to sound. That is not at all the intent of that scripture. It will be the last trumpet of the church age, because the rapture will END the church age. It will be the last trumpet OF A SERIES. But Not a series of judgment trumpets.

3. The rapture trumpet will sound just before wrath. Why do you ignore time all the time? It seems you really don't understand 1 Thes. 5 where Paul gives the TIMING of the rapture. I will run through the events in order:
1. Jesus descends with a shout, the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God.

2. The Holy Spirit gathers the "dust" of a billion or so dead in Christ. Some of that "dust" may well be miles from each other for one single body - but in an instant of time, the Holy Spirit will pull that dust together and reform that human body that turned to dust. This is going to create a worldwide earthquake. Matthew 27 says, "the earth did quake... and the graves were opened - showing us that when God raises the dead, it is going to cause an earthquake. This earthquake will be Paul's sudden destruction.

3. The dead in Christ (The body only) will fly up from the grave into the air

4. Now Paul gives us a paradigm: two groups of people who, at the same moment in time, get two different results:
.....4a: This who are alive and IN CHRIST get caught up and changed and so get to "live together with Him." ("So shall we ever be with the Lord.")
.....4b: those who are alive and NOT in Christ get "left behind" and get caught in the worldwide earthquake "sudden destruction."
.....4c: Paul seems to say that this sudden destruction is the wrath of God; that God would not set appointments for His bride with His wrath, hinting strongly that those left behind DID have appointments set. So the rapture comes JUST before wrath. Also previously Paul mentioned the Day of the Lord, associated with the rapture, which we know is also the day of His wrath.

5. Those who are alive and remain are now up in the air with the dead in Christ, and TOGETHER (the gathering) they are caught up into the cloud to meet with Jesus.

Therefore, Paul sets TIMING to His rapture: Jesus coming will be the trigger for the rapture, and the rapture will be the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord. It is going to be "church age"-"Day of the Lord" with no time between. The "age of grace"-"Wrath" with no time between.

The rest of what you wrote shown above is written very well, but it is myth.

You and I are probably not going to agree before we get to heaven. We read scriptures very differently.

 

[iamlamad]

Revelation 10:1-4 declares, describing the seventh trumpet, “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second coming. Firstly, we can see the angel comes clothed with a cloud. Significantly, the Lord prophesied of His return, “for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” Please refer also to Mark 14:61-62, Acts 1:9-11, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 1:7).

Secondly, the angel comes crowned with a rainbow. The rainbow crowned upon this great angel’s head reminds us that we serve a mighty covenant keeping God. It is clearly a marvellous symbol of providential nature of God and His faithfulness. None but Christ would be qualified to adorn such a symbol, being the bodily manifestation of the living holy God. We see the same symbolic rainbow surrounding Christ when John was caught up in the Spirit into heaven in Revelation 4 to receive the revelation about the Church and the end times. John explicitly says, “there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald” (v3).

Thirdly, the angel's face shines as sun. Malachi 4:2 confirms our Lord is “the sun of righteousness.” Fourthly, the angel comes with fire. Jesus said, in Luke 17:29-30, “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.” This agrees with Revelation 19, 2 Peter 3 and countless other similar texts that show this fiery end to the tribulation period. Finally, the angel cries “with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth” Christ is symbolically likened unto a Lion in Revelation 5. He is called “the lion of the tribe of Juda, the root of David.”

It seems quite evident that we are looking at the one and only last trump which sounds at Christ solitary future Coming, which witnesses the end of the tribulation. This is in stark contrast to the weak claims made by our Pretrib brethren over the years that Revelation 4:1 is a record of a secret rapture, when it is in fact a simple record of John being caught up in the Spirit into heaven 2,000 yrs ago.

Our understanding is further reinforced by the detail attached to this reading in Revelation 10:5-7. It says of last trumpet, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”

The unquestionable finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 11:15 also makes reference to the seventh angel with the last trump, again being in complete agreement with consistent New Testament teaching (including the conclusion of the second parallel in Revelation 10) on this single final Second Advent, saying, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

This is the end of the old temporal sin-cursed order and the introduction of the new eternal glorified order. Also, the undoubted finality surrounding the echo of the seventh trumpet proves beyond doubt that it is the last trump – the final trumpet sound for all mankind. “The kingdoms of this world” have finally “become the kingdoms of our lord, and of his Christ” and “he shall reign” not for 1000 years as some would have us believe but “for ever and ever.” Those who reject such concrete evidence do so (in the main) in order to support the pretribulationist doctrine. In doing so they oppose the clear truth of God’s Word rather than those who firmly hold the truth.

Revelation 11:18 concludes in climactic detail, saying, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest (1) give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest (2) destroy them which destroy the earth.”

Notably, the “wrath of God” here is shown to “come” (erchomai Strong’s 2064) at the last trumpet. This indeed is the day of the Lord. This is the time when the dead are finally judged. It is the event when the “saints” receive their “reward” and correspondingly the ungodly it says God will “destroy.” Revelation 11:18 basically describes the judgment that accompanies the final or last trumpet.

Passage after passage knits perfectly together showing that the tribulation period ends with the one final climactic future Coming of Christ. The righteous are rescued immediately before God’s wrath is poured out upon all those left behind.

Whilst this is a glorious day for God’s elect it will be a day of ultimate terror for the wicked when they realise that they have missed God final opportunity and the door of grace has been slammed in their face forever.

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second coming
Sorry, but this is just more human imagination. John had already see a "mighty angel:"

Rev, 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? (the Greek word for strong was translated by the KJV 10 times as "mighty," 9 times as "strong."

Here in chapter 10 John wrote, "another mighty angel." There is no way the Holy Spirit would have John write this if this was the glorified Lord. Then John wrote,

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

An Angel would swear by God. But God would swear by Himself. This is an angel, although a mighty angel.

Your first theory here is bogus. So it is NOT a picture of Jesus second coming. Just so you will always know, by this time, the midpoint of the 70th week, Christ Jesus will have already come for His Bride as shown in 1 Thes. And John saw the raptured church in chapter 7, again over 3.5 years before this. Your theory of a coming at the 7th trumpet is simply bogus. The rest of your post follows the first error. Sorry but this theory is a tangent from truth.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Wisdom decrees we form doctrine from ALL end times scriptures, not just one chapter!

Exactly, it is Premillers who are obsessed with 1 chapter - Rev 20. Their cry is "what saith Rev 20." That is the Premil mantra. Premil has only got one string in their guitar. That is why every Bible student should reject it. Amils on the other hand embrace the full gamut of Scripture which shows that sin, death, decay, Satan and the wicked are destroyed at the second coming.

 

[sovereigngrace]

The symbolism and authority surrounding this great heavenly angel proves beyond a doubt that it is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ and a picture of His glorious Second coming
Sorry, but this is just more human imagination. John had already see a "mighty angel:"

Rev, 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? (the Greek word for strong was translated by the KJV 10 times as "mighty," 9 times as "strong."

Here in chapter 10 John wrote, "another mighty angel." There is no way the Holy Spirit would have John write this if this was the glorified Lord. Then John wrote,

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

An Angel would swear by God. But God would swear by Himself. This is an angel, although a mighty angel.

Your first theory here is bogus. So it is NOT a picture of Jesus second coming. Just so you will always know, by this time, the midpoint of the 70th week, Christ Jesus will have already come for His Bride as shown in 1 Thes. And John saw the raptured church in chapter 7, again over 3.5 years before this. Your theory of a coming at the 7th trumpet is simply bogus. The rest of your post follows the first error. Sorry to day but this theory is a tangent from truth.

Strong and mighty are 2 different things. You are avoiding the issue by the way. You have to. This text forbids Premil.