Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

[iamlamad]

I don`t have time to look up scriptures right now but Jesus reveals Himself as the Theophany from the Old Testament. Verses like no man hath seen God etc.

In eternity He will resume that role and God appears as He is described in the Old Testament.

I disagree: He will have a man's body forever. It was the price He paid for us.

 

[Timtofly]

I disagree: is will have a man's body forever. It was the price He paid for us.

It was the post resurrection body that appeared to Abraham. There is no such thing as a pre body before a body has existed.

 

[RickReads]

I disagree: is will have a man's body forever. It was the price He paid for us.

I wasn`t trying to say that, I see no evidence Jesus body will ever be altered. Just shows why scripture is always needed.

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Per this verse, humans look like God and the visa versa, God looks like a man. All descriptions of the Theophany in the Old Testament describe Him as resembling a man.

Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"

Per this verse, Jesus looks exactly like God. He even looked like God when He was in the flesh. Demons recognized Jesus when they saw Him and several scriptures attest to the fact that Jesus in the flesh looked like God.

1 Corinthians 15 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial"

Resurrected Jesus has a celestial body and in eternity Humans will have the same kind of body He has.

There are other scriptures that attest to these basic facts. The Bible gives only a little information about the transition into eternity but I don`t believe the current body of Jesus will be altered.

What I do believe is that the Old Testament appearances of the Theophany looked like Jesus; "Who is the image of the invisible God"

 

[RickReads]

Because the days of the 7th Trumpet happen in the spring of 2023. Holding to a literal 3.5 year ministry of the first advent, going back 3.5 years gives us the advent of the Lamb opening the seals.

If one is a strict, 7 year, 70th week of Daniel, one has to accept 10.5 years. But what 10.5 years and why? Well the trouble was to last for 7 years and Satan’s 3.5 years is in addition to. God did not "give up" 3.5 of His years to Satan. That is the why. The 7 years was never a 50/50 compromise between good and evil. In fact it was the week of days itself that was split 50/50. Either way the last 3.5 years no longer exist period.

The days, thousand year time frame, of God, cannot go past 2 Days, 2000 years from the Cross. The only year between 26 and 33 AD that can fit the Triumphant week starting with Palm Sunday with a Friday in between the Passover and Saturday is in April of 30AD. So 2030 is the end. The next Millennium cannot be put off past 2030AD. If you subtract 10.5 years from April of 2030 it is Oct/Nov of 2019, almost a year ago. Since April of 2023 and April of 2030 are 7 years apart, Passover is on Thursday both years as it was in 30AD.

But the eye opener is the number 666. It is the number of Adam and the length of his punishment. 6 Lord's Days, 6 days of the week. 6 hours in each day. The punishment against Adam's descendants cannot go past 2030AD either. The 7th Trumpet in April of 2023 brings an end to the 6000 year's of Adam sinful nature as well. The 42 month extension after the 7th Trumpet begins to sound, means work is over, but to exist in Satan's world you have to work. The punishment becomes a curse in the form of the 666 branding. Those who follow Satan are really showing that their own works will save them, but they end up in the lake of fire as though their names were never in the book of life. It only saves them from being beheaded, as they are spiritually blind and dead by the time those 42 months take place.

This is denied by many today, because they are taught a post trib rapture, and they have to endure this period by their what? Faith and good works, own righteousness, which are just filthy rags, that the one poor guest at the wedding had on? They are taught that the number belongs to a human antichrist. No, the number belongs to Adam and the result of his disobedience. Paul in Romans gave us the key, there was only one man Adam who brought sin into the world, and Christ the spiritual Adam that takes sin out of the world. 666 is not a Satan thing, it is a God in giving Adam a command thing. Adam was given an age when named and placed in the Garden. For 30 years he was faithful. After Adam and Eve sinned, they had to live and survive for 100 years before Seth was born. So time from being placed in the Garden was roughly 4000 years from the birth of Jesus. The Calander places Jeaus at about 3.5 years of age in 1AD. Adam disobeyed 4000 years from the Day of Atonement in 30AD.

Now any one can argue this is not specifically described in the Bible. If you have read Isaiah 65 and the description of what it means to be 100, and then compare at what age Adam's genealogy had their first child a son it may make more sense. I think Methuselah had daughters first before any sons. This would coincide with Mathusalah viewing his daughters with undue honor and presenting them to the sons of God, thus the corruption of those created on the 6th day began. We also today choose to ignore that is was Adam through Seth that there were biological sinners. There were other sons of God besides Adam because Genesis 1:27-28 state both males and females were created on the 6th day in God's image, sons of God. The other sons of God did not bring sin into the world. Adam and Seth brought sin into the world and passed it on to all humanity. Enoch was the only human born with a sinful nature who God saw as righteous and walked with God into heaven without physically dying. Moses claims he had to die first, but Satan and death never got the body.

I did a study similar to this as a young Christian. It was long ago so I don`t remember exactly how I came up with my date or what the date was but it was similar to yours I`m pretty sure.

Date setting is problematic because the day of the Lord will come like a "thief in the night". It will sneak up on the world and it`s a secret that isn`t meant to be predicted.

I did some research, again, long ago so I can`t remember a lot of the details but I was led to agree with those who say a Biblical year, a prophetic year, is 360 days.

I posted this passage once before but I will repeat it.

Hosea 6 "Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

My opinion is that this prophecy predicts the expulsion of the Jews from Palestine in 70AD and the Birth of Israel in 1948. My thinking is that the third day began in 1948 and the end of this age will occur in the early part of the third day. I`m not sure it will be 2030 but I believe it`s possible. I certainly believe the world is running out of time.

 

[BABerean2]

I did some research, again, long ago so I can`t remember a lot of the details but I was led to agree with those who say a Biblical year, a prophetic year, is 360 days.

If the Jews did not make periodic corrections to their calendar, an error of 5.25 days per year would reverse the seasons in less than 40 years.

Planting crops during the winter never works.
Therefore, we know they did make regular corrections to their lunar/solar calendar.

Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson acknowledged this fact in his book "The Coming Prince", but ignored it in most of the rest of the book.
Most of those who talk about the 360 day calendar are quoting others who got the idea from Anderson.

Try to find a reference to the 360 days from the commentary and sermons written at the time of the American Revolutionary War, and let us know what you find.

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[iamlamad]

It was the post resurrection body that appeared to Abraham. There is no such thing as a pre body before a body has existed.

You are mixing up time. The redeemer of the OT had no man's body then. He only got it around 2 BC. God DID have a spiritual body that could be seen, and WAS seen by Abraham and Moses.

 

[iamlamad]

I did a study similar to this as a young Christian. It was long ago so I don`t remember exactly how I came up with my date or what the date was but it was similar to yours I`m pretty sure.

Date setting is problematic because the day of the Lord will come like a "thief in the night". It will sneak up on the world and it`s a secret that isn`t meant to be predicted.

I did some research, again, long ago so I can`t remember a lot of the details but I was led to agree with those who say a Biblical year, a prophetic year, is 360 days.

I posted this passage once before but I will repeat it.

Hosea 6 "Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

My opinion is that this prophecy predicts the expulsion of the Jews from Palestine in 70AD and the Birth of Israel in 1948. My thinking is that the third day began in 1948 and the end of this age will occur in the early part of the third day. I`m not sure it will be 2030 but I believe it`s possible. I certainly believe the world is running out of time.

A 360 day prophetic year is proven in Revelation. We have half a 7 year period as 1260 days, which, if we double it to make a complete week of years would be 2520 days. If we divide this number by "7" we get 360 days.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Which earth?

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, the New Heavens and the New Earth comes on the day of the Lord, when He comes as a thief.

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Read Revelation 20. That will tell you what earth He returns to. If indeed the New Heavens and the New Earth are supposed to be created on the day of Christ's return, then why does John tell us that there will be a thousand years more to go after He returns? If the day that Christ returns to reign is the day that He returns as a thief, then how is it that His enemies will be preparing to meet Him in battle? (Rev. 17:12-14, 19:19) Still haven't answered that question.

 

[BABerean2]

If indeed the New Heavens and the New Earth are supposed to be created on the day of Christ's return, then why does John tell us that there will be a thousand years more to go after He returns?

John tells us no such thing. John did not use the word "return" in the text.
You are making the assumption the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, which it clearly is not.

Do you think Christ will be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents for a period of 1,000 years after His Second Coming? Does your church have plans to build a graveyard during your version of the Millennium?


Millennium Questions:

Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?


Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for dead mortals many years after His Second Coming?


Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.


How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?


What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?
Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?


Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15?


Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our home in Galatians 4:24-31?


Who is the king of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:11?

Based on Revelation 9:14, have some of the angels already been bound in some manner?

If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation chapter 11, where is the beast now?


Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. How would mortals survive this fire?
Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?


Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?
When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?


What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:1-16?


Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?


What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief, in 2 Peter 3:1-13?


Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?


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[RickReads]

A 360 day prophetic year is proven in Revelation. We have half a 7 year period as 1260 days, which, if we double it to make a complete week of years would be 2520 days. If we divide this number by "7" we get 360 days.

That`s probably the very thing that pursueded me. Can`t remember a lot of it now because it`s been 30+ years.

 

[RickReads]

If the Jews did not make periodic corrections to their calendar, an error of 5.25 days per year would reverse the seasons in less than 40 years.

Planting crops during the winter never works.
Therefore, we know they did make regular corrections to their lunar/solar calendar.

Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson acknowledged this fact in his book "The Coming Prince", but ignored it in most of the rest of the book.
Most of those who talk about the 360 day calendar are quoting others who got the idea from Anderson.

Try to find a reference to the 360 days from the commentary and sermons written at the time of the American Revolutionary War, and let us know what you find.

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There are a lot of things we understand now that weren`t well understood in the past so that doesn`t make for a very good standard to go by.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[RickReads]

You are mixing up time. The redeemer of the OT had no man's body then. He only got it around 2 BC. God DID have a spiritual body that could be seen, and WAS seen by Abraham and Moses.

The Theophany is also called the "Angel of the Lord" in places, I believe He had a celestial angelic body after which mans terrestial body was modled. "Man made after His likeness"

 

[BABerean2]

There are a lot of things we understand now that weren`t well understood in the past so that doesn`t make for a very good standard to go by.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

If you think the people of Israel did not understand the seasons for thousands of years, you might want to read your Bible again.

Gen_8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Jdg_3:20 And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.

Jdg_3:24 When he was gone out, his servants came; and when they saw that, behold, the doors of the parlour were locked, they said, Surely he covereth his feet in his summer chamber.

2Sa_16:1 And when David was a little past the top of the hill, behold, Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred loaves of bread, and an hundred bunches of raisins, and an hundred of summer fruits, and a bottle of wine.

2Sa_16:2 And the king said unto Ziba, What meanest thou by these? And Ziba said, The asses be for the king's household to ride on; and the bread and summer fruit for the young men to eat; and the wine, that such as be faint in the wilderness may drink.

Psa_32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

Psa_74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

Pro_6:8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.

Pro_10:5 He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.

Pro_26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

Pro_30:25 The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer;

Isa_16:9 Therefore I will bewail with the weeping of Jazer the vine of Sibmah: I will water thee with my tears, O Heshbon, and Elealeh: for the shouting for thy summer fruits and for thy harvest is fallen.

Isa_18:6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.

Isa_28:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

Jer_8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Jer_40:10 As for me, behold, I will dwell at Mizpah to serve the Chaldeans, which will come unto us: but ye, gather ye wine, and summer fruits, and oil, and put them in your vessels, and dwell in your cities that ye have taken.

Jer_40:12 Even all the Jews returned out of all places whither they were driven, and came to the land of Judah, to Gedaliah, unto Mizpah, and gathered wine and summer fruits very much.

Jer_48:32 O vine of Sibmah, I will weep for thee with the weeping of Jazer: thy plants are gone over the sea, they reach even to the sea of Jazer: the spoiler is fallen upon thy summer fruits and upon thy vintage.

Dan_2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Amo_3:15 And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the LORD.

Amo_8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.

Amo_8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

Mic_7:1 Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit.

Zec_14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Mat_24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mar_13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Luk_21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

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[RickReads]

My comments in ( )

John tells us no such thing. John did not use the word "return" in the text.
You are making the assumption the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, which it clearly is not.

( I believe it does.)

Do you think Christ will be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents for a period of 1,000 years after His Second Coming? Does your church have plans to build a graveyard during your version of the Millennium?

(no)

Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?

( I can be snarky at times but I don`t pass condemnation. I don`t believe in that. The promises of the New Covenent haven`t been fulfilled. A portion of it has been, it has been paid for but we still wait for Jesus to collect His inheritence.)


Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(yes)

Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ?

(yes)


Will Christ conduct funeral services for dead mortals many years after His Second Coming?

(we don`t know.)

Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.

(because what she said is wrong)


How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?

(The passage ends with the beginning of eternity. This isn`t the trick question you think it is.)

What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?

(It`s the thousand year period of time Jesus rules earth and in a broader sense it`s the period of time when Jesus will complete His work in preperation for eternity to begin.)

Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?

(yes, at least until the next rebellion.)

Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15?

(no)

Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our home in Galatians 4:24-31?

(I dont think he did)

Who is the king of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:11?

(the angel of the Abyss,)

Based on Revelation 9:14, have some of the angels already been bound in some manner?

(yes)

If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation chapter 11, where is the beast now?

(Revelation 11 doesn`t appear to mention this.)


Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. How would mortals survive this fire?

( same way Paul did when Christ appeared to him.)


Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?

(no)

Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?

( I addressed this in another post.)

When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20?

( I addressed this in another post.)

Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?

(no)

What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:1-16?

(The land)

Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10?

(no)

Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?

(Yes)

What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief, in 2 Peter 3:1-13?

(The next age)

Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18?

(No, a proclamation is given. Judgement comes after)

Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18?

( I can`t speak on what preachers say or don`t say.)

What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?

(Nothing)


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[RickReads]

If you think the people of Israel did not understand the seasons for thousands of years, you might want to read your Bible again.

Gen_8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Jdg_3:20 And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.

Jdg_3:24 When he was gone out, his servants came; and when they saw that, behold, the doors of the parlour were locked, they said, Surely he covereth his feet in his summer chamber.

2Sa_16:1 And when David was a little past the top of the hill, behold, Ziba the servant of Mephibosheth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred loaves of bread, and an hundred bunches of raisins, and an hundred of summer fruits, and a bottle of wine.

2Sa_16:2 And the king said unto Ziba, What meanest thou by these? And Ziba said, The asses be for the king's household to ride on; and the bread and summer fruit for the young men to eat; and the wine, that such as be faint in the wilderness may drink.

Psa_32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

Psa_74:17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

Pro_6:8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.

Pro_10:5 He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.

Pro_26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.

Pro_30:25 The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer;

Isa_16:9 Therefore I will bewail with the weeping of Jazer the vine of Sibmah: I will water thee with my tears, O Heshbon, and Elealeh: for the shouting for thy summer fruits and for thy harvest is fallen.

Isa_18:6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them.

Isa_28:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

Jer_8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Jer_40:10 As for me, behold, I will dwell at Mizpah to serve the Chaldeans, which will come unto us: but ye, gather ye wine, and summer fruits, and oil, and put them in your vessels, and dwell in your cities that ye have taken.

Jer_40:12 Even all the Jews returned out of all places whither they were driven, and came to the land of Judah, to Gedaliah, unto Mizpah, and gathered wine and summer fruits very much.

Jer_48:32 O vine of Sibmah, I will weep for thee with the weeping of Jazer: thy plants are gone over the sea, they reach even to the sea of Jazer: the spoiler is fallen upon thy summer fruits and upon thy vintage.

Dan_2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Amo_3:15 And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the LORD.

Amo_8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.

Amo_8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

Mic_7:1 Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit.

Zec_14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Mat_24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mar_13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Luk_21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

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I wasn`t talking about farming. Nevertheless, we know more about farming now then they did then. You believe the increase in knowledge prophecies are just metaphor?

 

[Contenders Edge]

The reigning of the souls in heaven in Revelation 20 could only begin after Christ paid the penalty for their sin and as a result defeated it through the first resurrection (His resurrection). This as a result conquered death and Satan. What is more, that victory removed Satan's ability to condemn the elect before the throne of heaven. He was then banished forever (Revelation 12). He must now accuse us direct down here.

The reign of the saints is not in Heaven but on the earth when Jesus returns. Revelation 20 states nothing other than. Death may have been conquered by Jesus, but we are still subject to death until our corruptible bodies are changed into an incorruptible form and death is cast away into the Lake of Fire. Satan, despite his defeats, will continue to rage and war against Christ and the Church until he himself is cast away into the Lake of Fire; his final defeat.

You make it sound as though the Gospel has gone forth without fierce resistance from the forces of darkness but that is not the picture that scripture gives in that while we who are in Christ are redeemed from our sins and given eventual liberty from death, the Bible often times warns us of opposition, not just from man, but also from the dark forces unseen and that opposition and resistance to the Gospel has taken place in more ways than one.

Those who deny that there is still an ongoing spiritual warfare will be the first to become discouraged when resistance comes their way and their faith will be the first to be shaken because they were unprepared for the fight and underestimated the formidability of our adversary.

God ruled, but Jesus the man won the right to rule over the nations by His obedience!

Jesus IS God.

 

[Contenders Edge]

The opposite is the truth. I do not think you grasp what Revelation 20 is actually saying. It is just stating what is repeatedly taught in both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

You are the one who is not grasping what Revelation 20 is actually saying as you hold to a symbolic interpretation thereof that the text thereof does not corroborate.

Revelation 20 is just saying what repeated Scripture had been prophesying for centuries about the new covenant period: that the Gentiles would be enlightenment through receiving the truth. There is frequently no qualification as to the extent of the enlightenment. Each statement re the removal of the darkness enveloping the nations is broad and sweeping. If Premil arguments (or mode of interpretation) are applied to Scripture after Scripture like this then one might arrive at the place of universal salvation of the nations. This is absurd, and contrary to what is regularly represented in Scripture.

The intent is that all are to be enlightened and that will surely come to pass. And Premils are not arguing for the universal salvation of nations.

In the OT the Gentiles were considered blind, death, ignorant, in darkness and in imprisoned. Today they have been enlightened by the truth through the great commission. This is a general statement. Basically: the light has shone, the darkness has been dispelled, the ignorance is gone, and the veil has been lifted! The Gentiles are now without excuse.

The Gentiles sat in darkness (outside of God's plan of salvation with a few occasional exceptions) prior to the cross, after the cross salvation visited the nations and light shone in darkness. The light has been shining on the nations for near 2,000 years – the darkness has been dispelled. The deception is gone and the truth is available, however, whilst the general deception has been lifted and the Gospel opportunity is now available to the Gentiles, individuals must personal take a hold of Christ for salvation to be a reality.

Before the cross the Gentiles were considered blind, ignorant, in bondage and living in darkness, deceived by the father of lies. Satan had them hoodwinked. He ruled the nations. He had them under his control. After the resurrection, the Gentiles were no longer deceived as the Gospel light shone throughout the nations. The veil of ignorance was lifted. They are now without excuse.

You make it sound as though the Gospel has gone forth without fierce resistance from the forces of darkness but that is not the picture that scripture gives in that while we who are in Christ are redeemed from our sins and given eventual liberty from death, the Bible often times warns us of opposition, not just from man, but also from the dark forces unseen and that opposition and resistance to the Gospel has taken place in more ways than one.

Those who deny that there is still an ongoing spiritual warfare will be the first to become discouraged when resistance comes their way and their faith will be the first to be shaken because they were unprepared for the fight and underestimated the formidability of our adversary.

Satan and demons don't deceive nations, they deceive people within the nations. Satan and demons don't inhabit nations, they inhabit people within the nations. Before Christ’s earthy ministry there was a blanket of deception over the Gentiles. Entire nations were deceived. That is no longer the case. Satan fell from high and lofty place.

If they inhabit people, then they inhabit nations that are formed and maintained by the people. As to what extent they inhabit a nation depends on how many people within that nation they have in their possession and service and as the Apostle Paul pointed out, people and even entire nations can still be deceived. (2 Cor. 4:4)

Only the Amil view of Rev 20 can be corroborated. That is because your doctrine is false. It is you that forces a meaning on Rev 20 that contradicts numerous Scripture. This can be seen by your failure to furnish us with one supporting text to support any tenet of Premil.

You don't require everything mentioned only once in scripture to be corroborated by other scripture and don't call the acceptance of those things as they are presented as being a false doctrine but why treat Revelation 20 any differently?

 

[Contenders Edge]

John tells us no such thing. John did not use the word "return" in the text.
You are making the assumption the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, which it clearly is not.

Do you think Christ will be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents for a period of 1,000 years after His Second Coming? Does your church have plans to build a graveyard during your version of the Millennium?

Christ clearly returns in chapter 19 does He not? His return then leads into the events of chapter 20 and there is no reason to believe that the book of Revelation was written without a chronology; nothing in its context to suggest that. You are the one making unfounded assumptions in that regard. As for your "Millennial" questions which you cut and pasted from post 85, they were already answered in post 103. Any unanswered questions were not answered because they were not relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[RickReads]

As for your "Millennial" questions which you cut and pasted from post 85, they were already answered in post 103.

I wish I had known that before I invested my time in them.

 

[sovereigngrace]

The reign of the saints is not in Heaven but on the earth when Jesus returns. Revelation 20 states nothing other than. Death may have been conquered by Jesus, but we are still subject to death until our corruptible bodies are changed into an incorruptible form and death is cast away into the Lake of Fire. Satan, despite his defeats, will continue to rage and war against Christ and the Church until he himself is cast away into the Lake of Fire; his final defeat.

You make it sound as though the Gospel has gone forth without fierce resistance from the forces of darkness but that is not the picture that scripture gives in that while we who are in Christ are redeemed from our sins and given eventual liberty from death, the Bible often times warns us of opposition, not just from man, but also from the dark forces unseen and that opposition and resistance to the Gospel has taken place in more ways than one.

Those who deny that there is still an ongoing spiritual warfare will be the first to become discouraged when resistance comes their way and their faith will be the first to be shaken because they were unprepared for the fight and underestimated the formidability of our adversary.

Jesus IS God.

Christians go into the presence of Jesus upon death since the cross. Satan is definitely not welcome there any more.

Who cares that the devil is resisting. Premils are always lauding the nature, power and ability of Satan in thwarting the Church during the intra-Advent period. Amils concentrate upon the victorious power of the Church as it overcomes Satan and takes the light of the Gospel to the darkened nations.