Question for the Ladies, Men Can Answer as well if they want to

[Sammy-San]

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect them all to fall into one binary or the other either.

I dont disagree with that opinion because it draws undue attention to gender but because it has a bizzareness of mixing two categories together.

 

[Sammy-San]

I do not know enough about biological diversity to answer that. Even within humans, some races are more and less sexual dysmorphic than other races.

asians arent really less sexually dimorphic i never looked at an asian person and thought is that a man or a woman.

 

[MehGuy]

So we agree that animals dont really have a concept of being male or female to the degree only humans do.

Depends what you mean by this. Our intelligence allows us to drip and chew up concepts until they become hazy and vague. Gender is still a real thing, but that doesn't mean our culture can't confuse men and women.

 

[MehGuy]

asians arent really less sexually dimorphic i never looked at an asian person and thought is that a man or a woman.

You can surely see how an average Asian man and women look more alike than say an average European man and woman?

 

[Sammy-San]

I know dogs are neotenous compared to wild wolves, extremely so with some breeds. A large reason we find them so cute and endearing. They're a great substitute if someone doesn't want or cannot have children. As far as female dogs and male dogs being neotenos and non-neotenous in relation to each other compared ot humans I do not know. I'm more apt to agree with you there, yet I do not see why this matters?

Female cats tend to fight amongst each other more than male cats do with each other.

only women with other women, mix gender and friend into one word for someone they are just friends and arent lovers with.

I think gender identity in people has a certain component of privacy. Im not talking about intersex or transgenderism or people drawing undue attention to gender, Im saying, saying someone is a glrlfriend is something a man would never say to a platonic female friend because it has connotations similar to anyone asking another person about their personal buisness. For example one time someone was talking to me about people from church who were dating ending their relationship and someone else said that she was giving out dirt on other people, as in their personal buisness. For example gender is about self perception on the non biological level.

 

[Sammy-San]

Depends what you mean by this. Our intelligence allows us to drip and chew up concepts until they become hazy and vague. Gender is still a real thing, but that doesn't mean our culture can't confuse men and women.

Part of design and purpose is things have a certain ambiguity. By undue attention to gender i dont mean in the biological sense.

 

[Anthony2019]

Sorry, I wrote this in another section, but I don't think that section is very active. So, I am going to repost it here.

Do you find it disrespectful when young men or any man refer to women as chicks? I don't understand why they do this. There is this chick outside and she was like this or that, is what I hear a lot. My brothers refer to women this way.

Why can't they just say there is this lady outside?

Where I live, a lot of people use the word "chick" in a non-offensive way, usually to people they know well, as a term of endearment. They say "alright chick?" which is the same as saying "alright love?". Women use the word more than men, and it's usually directed towards people of both genders.

 

[MehGuy]

Female cats tend to fight amongst each other more than male cats do with each other.

Like I said before, men being more concerned with physical appearance than the other way around is unique to animals. It has consequences to our concept of gender. Just because an animal's concept is different than ours doesn't mean it isn't any more real for them.

 

[Sammy-San]

You can surely see how an average Asian man and women look more alike than say an average European man and woman?

this reminds me of the microevolution and macrevolution discussions. Small changes not total differences or blurring the lines.

 

[Sammy-San]

Where I live, a lot of people use the word "chick" in a non-offensive way, usually to people they know well, as a term of endearment. They say "alright chick?" which is the same as saying "alright love?". Women use the word more than men, and it's usually directed towards people of both genders.

Do you think that has to do with estrogen?

 

[Sammy-San]

Like I said before, men being more concerned with physical appearance than the other way around is unique to animals. It has consequences to our concept of gender. Just because an animal's concept is different than ours doesn't mean it isn't any more real for them.

What do you mean by that?

 

[MehGuy]

What do you mean by that?

The concept of male and female can be different for different species. Doesn't matter if a female cat fights more than a male cat. I already brought up female hyenas being more aggressive with men than the other way around. Doesn't mean gender isn't still a thing for them, it's just different compared to us.

 

[Anthony2019]

Do you think that has to do with estrogen?

I don't know!
But the word "chick" is one of many terms of endearment that I've heard, especially in my local area. Others I've heard are "bab" and "doll".

 

[MehGuy]

this reminds me of the microevolution and macrevolution discussions. Small changes not total differences or blurring the lines.

Not sure where the road block comes from. Things will continue to change. They don't just stop arbitrarily in response to other people's sensitivities, lol.

 

[Sammy-San]

I don't know!
But the word "chick" is one of many terms of endearment that I've heard, especially in my local area. Others I've heard are "bab" and "doll".

Estrogen and appearence is why those terms dont apply to men.

 

[Sammy-San]

Not sure where the road block comes from. Things will continue to change. They don't just stop arbitrarily in response to other people's sensitivities, lol.

Its a cultural universal that men wearing makeup doesnt look right and leaves an impression.

 

[Sammy-San]

The concept of male and female can be different for different species. Doesn't matter if a female cat fights more than a male cat. I already brought up female hyenas being more aggressive with men than the other way around. Doesn't mean gender isn't still a thing for them, it's just different compared to us.

How is it different than with us?

How does this relate to what I said about androgynous behavior draws undue attention to gender.

 

[Anthony2019]

Estrogen and appearence is why those terms dont apply to men.

I get called them all the time! In shops, on the street, everyone uses them and no-one really thinks about their literal meanings. It's just people trying to be friendly and using a word that is more affectionate and less formal.

 

[Sammy-San]

I get called them all the time! In shops, on the street, everyone uses them and no-one really thinks about their literal meanings. It's just people trying to be friendly and using a word that is more affectionate and less formal.

I dont think people calling men that word can be wierd because it draws undue attention to gender or implies they have the wrong private parts or something like that, because gender is a personal thing akin to people repeating gossip about other people, that makes it wierd. I mean the non biological side of gender.

 

[Sammy-San]

The concept of male and female can be different for different species. Doesn't matter if a female cat fights more than a male cat. I already brought up female hyenas being more aggressive with men than the other way around. Doesn't mean gender isn't still a thing for them, it's just different compared to us.

animals dont have concepts of marriages or long term relationships or friendships either.