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" State of Theology survey from Ligonier Ministries conducted with LifeWay Research, "
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30 % of Evangelicals deny Jesus is God !
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@Jesus is YHWH Sure, your question is answerable.
A false gospel is telling someone what they have to do in order to be save.
They have to sacrifice animals, in order to be saved.
They would have to follow the torah law.
That they are to condemn their enemies.
They are to believe there was no resurrection.
They are to believe that Jesus never came in the flesh.
They have to obey what men say, and not what Christ Jesus has said.
They are to persecute those who are wrong.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ is to believe on him, and God raised him from the dead.
That was Pauls message the preached to others was the life, death, burial, and resurrection.
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Yes that is a good summary of the gospel but remember Paul also calls Him Lord and God in his writings and he said one must confess Jesus is LORD ( YHWH) to be saved. Romans 10:13 cf Joel 2:32
So when the gospel is presented its about the PERSON in whom they are placing their trust in for Salvation. Salvation is of the Lord ! And that Lord is Jesus, God Incarnate, in the flesh.
And believe it or not many so-called christians deny the very heart of the gospel which is the bodily Resurrection/Ascension of Jesus. Many believe Jesus is now a spirit without a human body. That is both a false gospel and a false christ.
Its why I focus on the Person of Christ and the Gospel whenever I talk to anyone in person or online.
Remember Jesus teaching below on what the Holy Spirits work is and who He will glorify and what the Scripture are all about. HIM !
Jesus said the OT was about Himself
Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
Jesus said the Holy Spirit will bear witness of HIM
John 15:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me
John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
hope this helps !!!
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In Romans 10:13 the Apostle is quoting the OT passage in Joel 2:32 and declaring Jesus is the Lord (YHWH) in Joel that one must confess to be saved.
Jesus said unless you believe I Am you will die in your sins. John 8:24
They tried stoning Jesus for blasphemy in John 8:58 for saying He is I Am (YHWH).
Jesus said unless you believe I Am you will die in your sins. John 8:24
They tried stoning Jesus for blasphemy in John 8:58 for saying He is I Am (YHWH).
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Yes I agree.
That is not true, only by your condition it makes it sounds true.
People can believe that Jesus Christ came, died and was risen again.
In my opinion if you don't have a sola scriptura interpretation, you can believe that Jesus Christ rose again in a spiritual sense, or physical depending on how they desire to believe.
However, if flesh and bone can not inherit the kingdom of God, it sounds to me like we are going to have spiritual bodies in heaven as it states in 1 Corinthians 15.
Though I to agree, with what you are saying if you do talk to a person online or in person about these things. (I accept that Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty. That is the only time Jesus is called Lord God almighty.)
When the fullness of God being all in all was achieved.
But what do you do in the scenario below.
- What do you do if they disagree?
- Just throw them to the side, because they do not believe how you believe?
- Does the spirit that resides in you allow you love that person regardless?
- Do you mandate that they must believe or other wise they will burn in hell?
These questions shouldn't be answered by anything other than what does your heart say to you.
I agree with you on this. The Old Testament told of a day when a person would come and that would be able to take away the sin of the world, and he was the messiah that would one day be called a Mighty God. Who is the Lord Jesus Christ of course and respectively so.
Yes, I agree:
- 1 Corinthians 12:3
- So I want you to know that no one speaking by the Spirit of God will curse Jesus, and no one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit.
You helped me a lot, thank you, @Jesus is YHWH
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I have to disagree. Jesus is God, that's for sure. But He never claimed to be God in His humility, He did claim to be the Messiah.
Nowhere in scripture is it mandatory for one to believe Jesus is God to be saved.
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Did you also have an issue with Jesus praising the church in Ephesus for testing those who called themselves apostles but were actually evil and false? Or Peter rejecting Simon?
When someone denies the Son and scripture tells us such people don't have the Father either, only those who are a fool themselves would question it because they would be placing their own opinion over the word itself.
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Disagreements are to be expected and I always discuss them and not argue. Even my youngest who is a millennial throws things at me all the time. I ask him would you like Gods opinion on the topic or the worlds POV? I can give him either answer but I always let him know I must always go with Gods word on any matter as I must obey God rather than man.
Second question is I like to talk through things and point them to scripture and lets see what God says on any given matter, topic etc........
Third question is yes I love them regardless. I have loved many friends and family who were not saved and later God saved them. I loved them unconditionally and prayed for their salvation.
Fourth question is Scripture talks about heaven and hell and how a person ends up in either place. I have a 12 year old grandson who is not saved but his other 2 siblings are saved. We are now spending one on one time together on a regular basis and I shared that very subject with him last week. I presented the gospel to him and what it means to accept it or reject it and the consequences of rejecting Jesus. I wasn't trying to scare him but let him know that our days are numbered by God and we don't even know if we will live another day, week, month, year, decade etc........ Today if you hear His voice do not harden your heart. He even knew the parable of the rich man who that very night his life would be required of him.
I've learned patience over the years and I'm not in any hurry to save anyone, thats Gods job, I'm just the messenger of the gospel. That is what every christian in commissioned with is the gospel.
hope this helps !!!
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Understanding that Jesus is God is knowledge after the fact of salvation.
Understanding that Jesus is the Messiah, the sacrifice for our sins, is a fact of salvation.
Understanding that Jesus is the Messiah, the sacrifice for our sins, is a fact of salvation.
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I know, right? I'd think most Christians in general, not just Evangelicals, believe that Jesus is God.
They included a definition in the article, but something about this seems dubious.
Maybe, but not necessarily. People who come here are self-selected, and may differ from the general population.
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Really so when Jesus said He who has seen Me has seen the Father in John 14:9 that was not claiming to be God ?
And when Thomas confessed Jesus was his Lord and his God in John 20:28 and worshiped Him and Jesus accepted that worship and did not rebuke Thomas for calling Him God that is not Jesus agreeing with Thomas that He is God ?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 8:58-59
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him,
John 10:33
"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
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Gospel " that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
Rom 10 9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
I read John 3:16 and many other verses and.. where does it say to be saved.. and He found us that one MUST believe to be saved JESUS is God? When He first found me and for YEARS I never once thought He was God. Yet I was 100% saved filled with the sweet sweet Holy Ghost! He only talks about points to Christ and the Father.
So we need to relax. This for me means nothing. Show me where to be saved one must believe He is God. And as I see it.. 30% will be even more happy when they are with the Father.. they will learn something they never knew. They are still saved no matter what some MAN/WOMAN personally believe
Rom 10 9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
I read John 3:16 and many other verses and.. where does it say to be saved.. and He found us that one MUST believe to be saved JESUS is God? When He first found me and for YEARS I never once thought He was God. Yet I was 100% saved filled with the sweet sweet Holy Ghost! He only talks about points to Christ and the Father.
So we need to relax. This for me means nothing. Show me where to be saved one must believe He is God. And as I see it.. 30% will be even more happy when they are with the Father.. they will learn something they never knew. They are still saved no matter what some MAN/WOMAN personally believe
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Except the Messiah is God according to Scripture.
Zech 2:8-13
For this is what the Lord Almighty says: "After he has honored me and has sent me against the nations that have plundered you — for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye — 9 I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me.
10 "Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the Lord. 11 "Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you. 12 The Lord will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be still before the Lord, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."
Jer 23:5-6
"The days are coming," declares the Lord,
"when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The Lord Our Righteousness.
Isa 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
Isa 9:6-7
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
Mic 5:2
"But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity."
Dan 7:9-14
I kept looking Until thrones were set up,
And the Ancient of Days took His seat;
His vesture was like white snow,
And the hair of His head like pure wool.
His throne was ablaze with flames,
Its wheels were a burning fire.
10 "A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat,
And the books were opened.
11 "Then I kept looking because of the sound of the boastful words which the horn was speaking; I kept looking until the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire. 12 "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted to them for an appointed period of time.13 "I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.
Mal 3:1-3
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the Lord of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 "And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.
Mal 4:5-6
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse."
Zech 12:1-10
This is the word of the Lord concerning Israel. The Lord, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares: 2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the Lord. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God.'6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.
7 "The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the Lord going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Matt 1:22-24
22 Now all this took place that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which translated means, "God with us."
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Have you not read Heb. 1:3?
That Jesus is the brightness of His (Gods) glory, the express image of His (Gods) person. That means Jesus is the exact reproduction of God. They were looking God the Father in the face when looking at Jesus.
Show me in scripture plainly where one must believe Jesus is God to be saved. It's not there!
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Are these things said about Jesus just a Coincidence ?
Can they be said of a mere man? I think not!
The Father is God
The Son is God
God is our Savior
Jesus is our Savior
God is our Lord
Jesus is our Lord
Man is to honor God
Man is to honor Jesus
Man is to praise God
Man is to praise Jesus
Man is to glorify God
Man is to glorify Jesus
Man is to worship God
Man is to worship Jesus
Man is to fear God
Man is to fear Jesus
Man will be judged by God
Man will be judged by Jesus
Man is to sing songs of worship to God
Man is to sing songs of worship to Jesus
Man is to serve God
Man is to serve Jesus
Man has life in God
Man has life in Jesus
Man is to love God
Man is to love Jesus
Man is to obey God
Man is to obey Jesus
Man is to pray to God
Man is to pray to Jesus
God answers mans prayers
Jesus answers mans prayers
Angels worship God
Angels worship Jesus
God created the heavens and the earth
Jesus created the heaven and the earth
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth(Gen 1:1)
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.(John 1:1-3)
The Word who was God became flesh and Tabernacled among us and we beheld His Glory.(John 1:1,14) Jesus is truly God Incarnate- Yahweh in the flesh as a man. No man can have the things said about him above without being God and man.
Jesus has all the Attributes of the True God(Yahweh). These things cannot be said of any man but only God.
Jesus is OMNIPOTENT
Jesus has power over disease- Luke 7:14, over death- Matt 8:26, over nature - Matt 8:16, over satan and his angels- Luke 4:35 - 41; Eph 1:20-23, over all things Heb 1:3
Jesus is OMNISCIENT
Jesus knows all people, their thoughts and intentions. The woman at the well- John 4:16. In John 2:24,Luke 5:22 Jesus knew their thoughts. Peter declared Jesus knew all things John 16:30
Jesus is OMNIPRESENCE
Jesus is everywhere at the same time. Matt 18:20- where 2 or 3 are gathered in My name I will be in their midst. Matt 28:20 And lo I Am with you always until the end of the age. John 3:13 Jesus is in heaven and earth simultaneously- And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven
Jesus is ETERNAL
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word.1John 1:1- from the beginning. Micah 5:2- who's going forth is from everlasting, Col 1:17- He is before all things, John 17:5- the Glory which I had before the world was. Heb 13:8 Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever- He changes not! This means Jesus is also IMMUTABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus is the Creator:
John 1:3- Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.
Rom 11:36-“For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen”
Col. 1:15-17- He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Heb. 1:10- "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Yahweh is the Creator:
Job 33:4 -The Spirit of God has made me;
the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Isa. 40:28- Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.
Gen. 1:1-In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Jesus Deity is all over the page of Scripture they are filled with His glory as Lord and God. One must turn a blind eye not to see this is TRUE.
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Answer this question.
Is Paul quoting Joel 2:32 in Roman 10:13 ? yes or no
Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
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