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Featured 30 % of Evangelicals deny Jesus is God !

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jesus is YHWH, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    More than half of American adults, including 30% of evangelicals, say Jesus isn’t God but most agree He was a great teacher, according to results from the 2020 State of Theology survey.

    Even though the Bible and traditional teachings of the Christian Church hold that Jesus truly existed as both man and God, among the key findings of the biennial State of Theology survey from Ligonier Ministries conducted with LifeWay Research, is that 52% of American adults believe that Jesus was a great teacher and nothing more.More than half of US adults, 30% of evangelicals believe Jesus isn’t God: study

    That would be 1/3 of professing christians on this forum.

    ASTOUNDING !
     
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  2. Tigger45

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    Many evangelical denominations must be doing a poor job of catechizing their members.
     
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  3. Agallagher

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    Hello brother,@Jesus is YHWH

    To you, why does that matter?

    Just because someone doesn't say Jesus is God but is the Lord Jesus Christ?

    Would you say if someone just believes that Jesus Christ is not God, that they are lesser than someone who says Jesus Christ is God?
     
  4. Carl Emerson

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    How does one define 'evangelical'
     
  5. Jesus is YHWH

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    Jesus and Paul make it clear that one must believe Jesus is God to be saved.

    Jesus said that unless you believe I AM(YHWH) you will die in your sins. John 8:24

    I AM above means YHWH in parentheses.

    Paul said in Romans 10:13 that a person must confess Jesus is LORD ( YHWH) to be saved.

    Joel 2:32
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    "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
    Will be delivered;



    Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T.

    Rom 10:9-13
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    that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


    So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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  6. bekkilyn

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    They would not be lesser as a unique human being created in the image of God, but if Jesus were not both 100% human and 100% God, then he would have had no authority to forgive sins as if he were God, and while as a human being, he might be considered as a great prophet or teacher, or maybe even a false prophet since he would be making claims that weren't true, there would no salvation or final victory over sin through him.
     
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  7. Jesus is YHWH

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    thats a great question as it has changed over the years as I'm sure you are well aware of Carl.

    Here is a quote from the "evangelical website "

    Evangelicals take the Bible seriously and believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. The term “evangelical” comes from the Greek word euangelion, meaning “the good news” or the “gospel.” Thus, the evangelical faith focuses on the “good news” of salvation brought to sinners by Jesus Christ

    What is an Evangelical? - National Association of Evangelicals
     
  8. Agallagher

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    @Jesus is YHWH That does help me understand some what a bit better.

    One more question for you.

    What do we do about the text that express from Paul speaking about God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ?

    Oh okay. I believe that Jesus Christ was the image and expression of God. And God through Him, as Jesus Christ was a man worked and made many miracles happened. Because of God through Yeshua, which in the end does make him to be Lord God Almighty.

    I agree with you about the shedding of the blood, allowed for salvation for all, and victory over sin.

    My question is, why does it matter if someone believes that or not, if they believe in God, and Jesus respectively without the understanding of scriptures or other than someone explaining to them?
     
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  9. Jesus is YHWH

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    Agreed its a real shame.
     
  10. Jesus is YHWH

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    Well there is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit- One God, 3 Persons hence the Trinity, Triune God, Godhead etc......

    I'm glad you brought that question up because when the N.T. uses the word Lord( Kurios) it is the OT Hebrew word (YHWH).

    So Paul is acknowledging Jesus as God but not the Father.

    BTW- ask as many questions as you feel led to my friend !

    hope this helps !!!
     
  11. SeventyOne

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    Jesus asked if He would find faith in the earth when He returns. The answer is 'not much'.
     
  12. GraceBro

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    That would mean that they are not true Christians.

    "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also (1 John 2:22-23)."
     
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    correct !
     
  14. Agallagher

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    The only thing that gets under my skin, is when people think they have the authority to say who are Christians or not.

    And use scripture to justify it.

    Who are we to judge anyone, if we do not judge ourselves first?

    No one is perfect and one has full understanding to the point they are able to use the bible as a charge against someones account for being different and still believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins, regardless if they live in their sin or not.

    Because of Free-Will choice, God can work in and around many different people, for the benefits of allowing people to look towards God, and to love others around them encouragement and support.

    Though since we are not God we truly can't get a true grip on others in the life they have lived, good or bad.

    All we were told by God is to love, and support, encourage each other to stay strong in faith of the gospel of Hope namely Jesus Christ and the resurrection. That anyone who believes shall be saved.

    Not just by picking and choosing who is christian or not. Though some people may have little faith and a lot of flesh, and some people may have a lot of faith and a little flesh.
     
  15. Jeshu

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    Depends how true this study is. So many studies deliberately skew the truth to gain political, economic or social advantages that it can be hard finding the truth underneath all the lies. Dividing us and setting us up against one another has been satan's tactic since the beginning of time.

    So yes i be interested to see how many professing Christian don't see Jesus as God in Trinity with the Father and The Spirit. i be very surprised if the figure was 33 percent.
     
  16. Jesus is YHWH

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    What you have quoted is known as a doxology from Paul. All the N.T. authors use that in their epistles.

    A Doxology is reserved for God. Below we see the Triune God mentioned in the Doxologies and opening of some of the N.T. letters. The NT declares that honor and glory are due to God alone. Some doxologies only mention Christ which speaks volumes about what the Apostles thought about Him and His Glory as God. The clear fact is Jesus receives the identical glory that the Father receives. These passages also make it abundantly clear of Christ’s pre existence and glory prior to creation(see John 17:5 below). He is therefore eternal just as the Father is eternal. Jesus received the Worship and Glory while on the earth and in Revelation receives the same honor,glory,praise and worship the Father receives in heaven. Jesus must be God Incarnate ! Below we have Benedictions and Doxologies due to God alone !


    2 Timothy 4:18
    18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

    Philippians 4:20
    20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

    Galatians 1:3-5
    3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forevermore. Amen.

    Ephesians 3:16-21
    I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

    20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

    Romans 9:5
    Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.


    Romans 16:25-27
    25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, 26 but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith; 27 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, be the glory forever. Amen.

    2 Corinthians 13:14
    May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

    1 Thessalonians 5:19-28
    Do not put out the Spirit's fire; 20 do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22 Avoid every kind of evil.

    23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.

    25 Brothers, pray for us. 26 Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss. 27 I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers.28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

    2 Timothy 4:22
    The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.

    Philemon 1: 25
    The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

    Hebrews 13:20-21
    May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Jude 24-25
    24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

    1 Peter 5:14
    Peace to all of you who are in Christ.

    2 Peter 1:1
    Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

    2 Peter 3:18
    But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    1 John 5:20-21
    We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true — even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.21 Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.


    Revelation 5:11-14
    11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice,

    "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."

    13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,

    "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

    14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.

    Revelation 22:17-21
    The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

    20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."

    Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.
     
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    They have no right to call themselves Christians.
     
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  18. Jesus is YHWH

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    It came from a christian organization is within the church.
     
  19. Jeshu

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    Which Church conducted the study? There are thousands of Churches, which one did they do their study in? For i know that all the professing people in my Church believe in God in Trinity.
     
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    I'm not the Judge God and Scripture are the Judge. All I can do is present the truth of Scripture and God must do the convicting and convincing of its truth in a persons heart.

    But Scripture on numerous occasions mentions these:

    1- false gods
    2- false christs
    3- false gospel

    So my question is this:

    can a false gospel , from a false christ or god save anyone ?
     
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