Is that relevant to anything said here, or are you just kinda rambling here?when one believes in God, one prays "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
we want to do God's will
we may not always be successful but everyday is a new beginning
If God knows somebody is never going to follow him, but then that person does actually decide to follow him, is God not all-knowing?but it is OUR choice to do so, to allow God in our lives
to follow Him
per your example
no Jesus wouldn't have been mistaken since he would not have said that Judas would betray
God would have known Judas would change his mind at the last moment
Ah, I see that you will just ignore the question.as your example said, if Judas were to change his mind at the last moment
Jesus WOULD NOT have said it (as he would know Judas would change mind at last moment) and therefore it would not have been written in the Bible
yes, Judas had a choice to do good or evil
we all do
everyday of our lives, we have choices
To answer that question, I must ask you one.Suppose I ask God what you will have for breakfast tomorrow. Suppose he tells me what you will have. At that point, do you or do you not have the freewill to choose something different for breakfast?
That about sums up your answer, eh?
No.To answer that question, I must ask you one.
Suppose God told you what I ate for breakfast yesterday. If I ate toast He will tell you that, because I chose to have toast. If I ate pancakes He will tell you that, because I chose to have pancakes.
Is God determining my decision?
Here's what happened.No, I think it was the sum total of matter and forces that make up my brain that made the decision to start this thread. If you choose to call that sum of stuff "I", then "I" made the decision. If you choose to call it "stuff", then that stuff made the decision.
This might sound strange, but whether God tells you before or after I have breakfast, has no bearing on my free will. Why? Because I choose, and God knows my choice. Thus if God told you beforehand, you know what I will choose, but it is still my choice, because what God told you is my choice. So no, I'm not going to eat something else, but what I do eat is my choice.No.
Now back to my question. If I ask God what you will have for breakfast tomorrow, and he says "eggs," can I then know for sure that you will have eggs? If so, and you must choose eggs tomorrow, and there is nothing you can do to change that fact, do you really have free will?
This might sound strange, but whether God tells you before or after I have breakfast, has no bearing on my free will. Why? Because I choose, and God knows my choice. Thus if God told you beforehand, you know what I will choose, but it is still my choice, because what God told you is my choice. So no, I'm not going to eat something else, but what I do eat is my choice.
In fact, I can choose whatever I want and that determines what God would tell you, not the other way round, even though God would've told you beforehand. It would be somewhat similar to a time traveler coming back from the future and telling you what I will choose to eat for breakfast. Although the time traveler telling you happens beforehand, I am the one who determines what I eat.
Are you still confused?
So here we have a Poe, huh?I took it to it's most absurd in describing God as someone playing with dolls who have no free will whatsoever.
If you actually believed that I was serious in any of it.. then you have been exposed for your completely erroneous view of Christianity.
You say that you're intelligent but not enough to recognize what I'd done and neither do you apparently have a sense of humour to therefore call my bluff.
I will not be discussing anything with you any further. Have a nice day.
No. You expected to read of such ridiculous things. It's obvious in the manner that you responded.So here we have a Poe, huh?
I have heard many ridiculous things here. It is impossible to tell if somebody is saying ridiculous things because they believe those ridiculous things, or because they are pretending to believe them.
If you wanted to be taken seriously then you should not have played your silly game in setting anyone up for being made a fool of by asking that question, then responding the way that you wrote back to me.If you want to be taken seriously around here, cut out that silly game.
Okay, so the time traveler analogy is flawed.The time traveler coming back from some future time into the present presents all sorts of issues. If he tells me he knows for sure I will eat eggs tomorrow, then what happens if I don't eat eggs? And if you tell me that it would then be impossible to choose otherwise, how so? As long as I am free to choose what I want, why am I not free to avoid eggs in that situation?
So what happens if God tells you that I will freely decide to eat eggs tomorrow and you tell me what God told you?. Suppose that I then decide to deliberately avoid eating eggs. Are you saying that it would then be impossible for me to decide to avoid eggs?
Ah, so if God told you what I was choosing for breakfast tomorrow and you told me, that would be a problem. I would just choose something else, and the wave collapses.Okay, so the time traveler analogy is flawed.
God would know that if He told me I would tell you, and He would know if you would choose to eat something else as a result, so He would know that telling me would (indirectly) make what He is telling me false. And since God doesn't lie, He wouldn't tell me something that would be false if He told me.
So no, I'm not going to eat something else, but what I do eat is my choice.