What do you think of the Dark Horse Duo plan?

[Desk trauma]

Who's "pushing" it. We are discussing the idea. I have no settled opinion on it. I don't think you are informed on the details of the idea if you think it will lead to vote plotting. Check it out in more detail.

It’s delusional to think it’s going to do anything but split the vote.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That's the point. People are sick of Republican and Democrat bickering. The idea is to elect two patriots that will govern in the middle together. Watch the video --it explains the administrative structure.

People aren't really sick of the bickering - people are sick of the other side winning. Despite what they claim, many people like the bickering. If they didn't like the bickering, they would bicker less. I would argue that TrumpFans like it more than most factions, though they hardly have a monopoly on it.

This is the thinking that has sunk our nation into partisanship and fear of the other. People are supporting this idea--that's why it is trending on social media. It is a long shot--but a positive one. Besides, younger people (of which I am not) feel very differently about politics that older generations.

The fact that this idea is a longshot undermines the claim that "people are supporting" it.

I like it much better than the plan the liberals have for our nation. Look at what they have done to the large cities they run, Do You want that for our nation, you can hate Trump all you like but what happens to our nation is much more important than who sleeps in the White House.

What's that, exactly? Turned them into engines of prosperity? Concentrated centers of educational attainment?

What successes can Republicans show? What areas do they control where they've built thriving economies based on something other than resource extraction?

Can you provide any evidence for your assertion against Ivanka? By the way there is a substantial difference between setting up a former drug addict that was removed from the Navy, who has no experience to justify the business help he received simply because his relationship to the VP and a woman who has built her own successful business.

lol, and what successful business is that? Her jewelry line that had one store that was open for a few years and then closed? Her clothing line that was dropped by several retailers after poor sales and then shut down altogether?

Criticize Hunter Biden all you want, but describing any of the Trump kids as having built anythign successful on their own is laughable and patently untrue. They've been handed their jobs and their fortunes by their father.

 

[Caliban]

People aren't really sick of the bickering - people are sick of the other side winning.

I disagree. Most people are rather moderate--The number of independents in California is larger than the Republican Party in California. The rise of independents is a signal that people are increasingly frustrated with Democrats and Republicans. Remember, we were not alway a Republican/Democrat party. Things can and should change. Weinstein's idea may or may not be the right course, but something needs to change.

 

[grasping the after wind]

That is why there is a center left and a center right candidate. Every election cycle, Americans choose candidates that they consider patriotic, courageous and highly capable. Why is this any different; the people are still chosen by the public?

No they aren't. They are chosen by a small group of party loyalists and party officials. The people have very little say in the process of choosing candidates as the political parties have corrupted the system to make it impossible for an independent, someone not beholden to the party or even an independently minded party member candidate to succeed in gaining a position on the ballot. Only a very few party approved people can have any chance of competing for the position. Trump was an anomaly in that as he was able to intrude upon the Republican party's stranglehold based upon his already established fame and fortune. Why do you think so few people bother to vote? If it were otherwise and people actually did choose the candidates, we would not have been left with Hillary Clinton and Trump or with Biden and Trump as our only realistic options. Additionally, center candidates are not necessarily more patriotic, courageous or capable than more left leaning or right leaning ones.

 

[Caliban]

No they aren't. They are chosen by a small group of party loyalists and party officials. The people have very little say in the process of choosing candidates as the political parties have corrupted the system to make it impossible for an independent, someone not beholden to the party or even an independently minded party member candidate to succeed in gaining a position on the ballot. Only a very few party approved people can have any chance of competing for the position. Trump was an anomaly in that as he was able to intrude upon the Republican party's stranglehold based upon his already established fame and fortune. Why do you think so few people bother to vote? If it were otherwise and people actually did choose the candidates, we would not have been left with Hillary Clinton and Trump or with Biden and Trump as our only realistic options. Additionally, center candidates are not necessarily more patriotic, courageous or capable than more left leaning or right leaning ones.

You missed the point--and went off on a red herring.

 

[grasping the after wind]

You missed the point--and went off on a red herring.

What was the point then?

 

[Caliban]

What was the point then?

You asked, "...who is it that gets to decide which people are patriotic, courageous and highly capable?"

My response is: the same who do it now.

 

[grasping the after wind]

You asked, "...who is it that gets to decide which people are patriotic, courageous and highly capable?"

My response is: the same who do it now.

Lame answer IMO.

 

[Arcangl86]

You asked, "...who is it that gets to decide which people are patriotic, courageous and highly capable?"

My response is: the same who do it now.

Then how is this plan any different?

 

[Caliban]

Lame answer IMO.

There you are--friendly and gracious as ever.

 

[Caliban]

Then how is this plan any different?

I think everyone should probably read up on it a bit or at least watch the video clip in my first post--it explains most of the questions people are asking.

 

[Arcangl86]

I think everyone should probably read up on it a bit or at least watch the video clip in my first post--it explains most of the questions people are asking.

Except it doesn't. It doesn't answer the fundamental question, who decides who these candidates are. Just a random guy I never heard of? Also I'm not even sure Adm. McRaven is even a Republican. A lot of career military like him don't have a political party.

 

[durangodawood]

You asked, "...who is it that gets to decide which people are patriotic, courageous and highly capable?"

My response is: the same who do it now.

So a primary system of sorts? Parallel to the other party primaries? (I did watch the vid)

 

[Caliban]

Except it doesn't. It doesn't answer the fundamental question, who decides who these candidates are. Just a random guy I never heard of? Also I'm not even sure Adm. McRaven is even a Republican. A lot of career military like him don't have a political party.

The plan does not call for electing a Republican and a Democrat--It calls for a center-left and a center-right candidate.

 

[Caliban]

So a primary system of sorts? Parallel to the other party primaries? (I did watch the vid)

Yes--that seems be what they are saying.

 

[durangodawood]

Yes--that seems be what they are saying.

So as great as this new "party" might be, its still a third party operating in a 2-party game, with all the spoiler effects unaddressed.

Thats why we need a version of ranked choice voting before we should consider alternate parties.

 

[Caliban]

So as great as this new "party" might be, its still a third party operating in a 2-party game, with all the spoiler effects unaddressed.

Thats why we need a version of ranked choice voting before we should consider alternate parties.

I agree fully with ranked choice voting.

 

[disciple Clint]

People aren't really sick of the bickering - people are sick of the other side winning. Despite what they claim, many people like the bickering. If they didn't like the bickering, they would bicker less. I would argue that TrumpFans like it more than most factions, though they hardly have a monopoly on it.



The fact that this idea is a longshot undermines the claim that "people are supporting" it.



What's that, exactly? Turned them into engines of prosperity? Concentrated centers of educational attainment?

What successes can Republicans show? What areas do they control where they've built thriving economies based on something other than resource extraction?



lol, and what successful business is that? Her jewelry line that had one store that was open for a few years and then closed? Her clothing line that was dropped by several retailers after poor sales and then shut down altogether?

Criticize Hunter Biden all you want, but describing any of the Trump kids as having built anythign successful on their own is laughable and patently untrue. They've been handed their jobs and their fortunes by their father.

What's that, exactly? Turned them into engines of prosperity? Concentrated centers of educational attainment?

So are these examples of prosperity Why Do Democrats Run All Of The Dangerous And Rodent Infested Cities?
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[iluvatar5150]

So are these examples of prosperity Why Do Democrats Run All Of The Dangerous And Rodent Infested Cities? How soon people forget. you asked "What successes can Republicans show? What areas do they control where they've built thriving economies based on something other than resource extraction?" Stock market live Monday: S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit records, Amazon all-time high, Casper sinks
Regarding Ivanka Ivanka’s Trump Card | SUCCESS

This is such a ridiculous pile of nonsense, it's hard to know where to start....

So are these examples of prosperity Why Do Democrats Run All Of The Dangerous And Rodent Infested Cities? How soon people forget.

Is San Francisco an example of prosperity? Really? The median home price there is $1.8 million. Yes, San Francisco absolutely is an example of prosperity. Los Angeles and Seattle also have loads and loads of prosperity as do plenty of other Democrat-run cities (NY, Philly, Boston, and DC all come to mind). Baltimore is certainly farther down that list, but it's got its own nice areas and it's slowly bouncing back.

How many of these cities have you visited in the last decade? Any of them? Your author is either an idiot or a liar (I'm betting on the latter), and he's hoping that you, the reader, are ignorant enough to buy his lies. Which, it seems that you are.

"What successes can Republicans show? What areas do they control where they've built thriving economies based on something other than resource extraction?" Stock market live Monday: S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit records, Amazon all-time high, Casper sinks

I ask for regions under Republican control and you give me a link to a 5-month old article about the stock market? Did you post the wrong link? I don't even know how to address this.

Regarding Ivanka Ivanka’s Trump Card | SUCCESS

How does this rebut any of what I said? She graduated college, worked for a year at one firm, then was handed a VP position at her father's firm. That's not building a successful business; that's being given one. She didn't start a career in TV; she was handed one. This was published in 2012 - those "successful" clothing and jewelry lines have since shuttered.

 

[disciple Clint]

This is such a ridiculous pile of nonsense, it's hard to know where to start....



Is San Francisco an example of prosperity? Really? The median home price there is $1.8 million. Yes, San Francisco absolutely is an example of prosperity. Los Angeles and Seattle also have loads and loads of prosperity as do plenty of other Democrat-run cities (NY, Philly, Boston, and DC all come to mind). Baltimore is certainly farther down that list, but it's got its own nice areas and it's slowly bouncing back.

How many of these cities have you visited in the last decade? Any of them? Your author is either an idiot or a liar (I'm betting on the latter), and he's hoping that you, the reader, are ignorant enough to buy his lies. Which, it seems that you are.



I ask for regions under Republican control and you give me a link to a 5-month old article about the stock market? Did you post the wrong link? I don't even know how to address this.



How does this rebut any of what I said? She graduated college, worked for a year at one firm, then was handed a VP position at her father's firm. That's not building a successful business; that's being given one. She didn't start a career in TV; she was handed one. This was published in 2012 - those "successful" clothing and jewelry lines have since shuttered.

you should talk to the people who live there.