THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[LoveGodsWord]

Our God is not a "flamming fire".

Sure he is. God's Word says so here...

HEBREWS 12:29 FOR OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE

He will devour and destroy the unrepentant wicked after the second coming according to the scriptures....

2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10
[6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU; [7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS,
[8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: [9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER;

[10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

Links to this one here and others elsewhere...

2 PETER 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED TO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.

DEUTERONOMY 4:24, For Jehovah thy GOD IS A DEVOURING FIRE, a jealous God

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
[27], BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO OF JUDGMENT TO COME AND FIREY INDIGNATION THAT SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.

Sorry dear Fine it seems God's Word disagrees with you once more. Yep not looking to good for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming. Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances dear friend. Her waters are polluted and from broken cisterns.

Hope this is helpful

 

[FineLinen]

Sure he is. God's Word says so here...

HEBREWS 12:29 FOR OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE

Hope this is helpful

Spend a wee moment learning spelling & less as a heavenly gambler. God is not a "flamming" fire, He is a flaming fire, and indeed a glorious consuming fire of great magnitude!

Dr. Marvin Vincent "everlasting destruction"

https://www.hopebeyondhell.net/faq-17-what-does-“everlasting-destruction”-mean-2thes-19/

The Author

https://www.hopebeyondhell.net/about-me/

Olethron Aionion (eternal destruction)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Spend a wee moment learning spelling & less as a heavenly gambler. God is not a "flamming" fire, He is a flaming fire, and indeed a glorious consuming fire of great magnitude!

Hmmm what? Your post does not make any sense dear friend and neither does it respond to the scriptures you are quoting from which are God's Word not mine BTW. You may need to explain yourself a little more. What is it you disagree with? You have only been provided scripture that are Gods' Word that you are denying with your words that are not God's. In reply you post linked posts to people that have nothing to do with the post you are quoting from. Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances dear friend. There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming according to the scriptures. They receive the second death in the lake of fire. There is only life in the living waters (Word of God) dear friend.

Hope this is helpful

 

[FineLinen]

There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming according to the scriptures. They receive the second death in the lake of fire. There is only life in the living waters (Word of God) dear friend.

Hope this is helpful

Good grief, Lover!

Our Father is not in the gambling business!

"He thought of everything, provided for everything we could possibly need, letting us in on the plans he took such delight in making.

He set it all out before us in Christ, a long-range plan in which everything would be brought together and summed up in him, everything in deepest heaven, everything on planet earth.

It’s in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for. Long before we first heard of Christ and got our hopes up, he had his eye on us, had designs on us for glorious living, part of the overall purpose he is working out in everything and everyone."

 

[FineLinen]

. They receive the second death in the lake of fire. There is only life in the living waters (Word of God) dear friend.

Hope this is helpful

Can you tell all of us peeps why there is exactly one segment who alone are not "hurt" by the Lake of theion and theioo?

Try spelling o v e r c o m e r !

"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death." (Rev.2:11)

"Hurt" = verb adikeo = to do wrong, do hurt.

The Lake of Fire flows from our God whose essence is Fire.

The only individual who is NOT hurt by the Lake is the overcomer.

The Lord will destroy anything that is not attuned to Him, the Master tuning fork.

Until we vibrate with the tongs of Heaven at-one-ment is not complete.

Tuning fork - Wikipedia

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Focus Lily, focus.

I never said the attributes of fire can not be applied to God!

I repeat: God in His essence is LOVE, SPIRIT, LIGHT & FIRE.

All of these qualities are His essence.

Is His light a poetic metaphor?

Is His love a poetic metaphor?

Is His spirit a poetic metaphor?

If so, His fire is as well.

Let me summarise:

What you just repeated about metaphors, you originally said in post #2077.

I replied to that drawing a distinction between spirit and love (which can be demonstrated in Genesis 1:1 as pre-existing creation) and light and fire (which as shown in Romans 1:20-23 are ways of understanding God through his creation).

In #2084 I gave attributes of (literal, physical) fire and in #2085 you agreed that those did not describe God.

So I asked what you mean by fire since literal, physical fire is obviously created.

And now we are here.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Good grief, Lover! Our Father is not in the gambling business!

Indeed dear friend. This is what is being shared with you. Universalism is the teachings of the gambling lady of second chances when there is no second chance after the second coming for the unrentent wicked after the second coming according to God's Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Can you tell all of us peeps why there is exactly one segment who alone are not "hurt" by the Lake of theion and theioo?

Indeed dear friend. It has been shared with you from the very begining. The unrepentent wicked receive the second death because they rejected the gift of God's dear son and counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace and continued in sin *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

Please see post # 2001 linked.

God's Word teaches...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Now where is it in any of your post here that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming?

Hope this is helpful dear Fine. Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Try spelling o v e r c o m e r !

"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death." (Rev.2:11)

"Hurt" = verb adikeo = to do wrong, do hurt.

The Lake of Fire flows from our God whose essence is Fire.

The only individual who is NOT hurt by the Lake is the overcomer.

The Lord will destroy anything that is not attuned to Him, the Master tuning fork.

Until we vibrate with the tongs of Heaven at-one-ment is not complete.

Ok dear friend..... O V E R C O M E R !

Now let's look at the scriptures together... WHO IS THE OVERCOMER OR HE WHO OVERCOMES? OVERCOMES WHAT EXACTLY?

He that overcomes is God's Saints not the unrepentant wicked! The Saints over come sin the wicked do not overcome sin..

REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

REVELATION 12:11 And they overcame him BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.

REVELATION 14:12 Here is the patience of the SAINTS HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AND THE FAITH OF JESUS

REVELATION 21:7-8 [7], HE THAT OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS AND I WILL BE HIS GOD AND HE SHALL BE MY SON [The Saints]. [8], BUT THE FEARFUL AND UNBELIEVING AND THE ABOMINABLE AND MURDERERS AND FORNICATORS AND SORCERERS AND IDOLATORS AND ALL LIARS SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH BURNS WITH BRIMSTONE; WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH

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Now note dear Fine! The O V E R C O M E R S are the saints that wash their robes in the (try spelling
B L O O D !) BLOOD of the lamb (Revelation 12:11). This is a reference to the Saints who accepted the gift of God's dear son. The Saints accepted the gift of Christs sacrifice for their sins and they made themselves clean in the blood of Christ and received God's forgiveness for their sins B E F O R E the second coming.

Time to leave the gambling lady of second chances. There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming dear Fine.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed dear friend. It has been shared with you from the very begining. The unrepentent wicked receive the second death .

The Second Death

The Second Death, by A. P. Adams

Death and the grave were cast into the Lake of Fire, and Rev. 20:l4 distinctly says "this IS the second death."

Let me ask any thinking believer that if Scripture means that these enemies of mankind, "death and the grave" are going to die the second time. You will say no.

Then why be inconsistent enough to insist that it means nothing but a literal death the second time for mankind.

By this Scripture, you may see at once that it is not the number of deaths that Yahweh is indicating but the kind of death or character of the destruction. I notice that writers on this subject who freely give a literal second death to human sinners are silent about "death and the grave" going into the same punishment, although the Bible boldly declares it.

The Second Death, by A. P. Adams

This will most assuredly be a shock to your sensitive nature, dear friend of chance....

but

The Lake of Theos will be experienced by the radical all, the good, the bad & the ugly.

The ONLY individuals not "hurt" are the overcomer!

 

[Jord Simcha]

Universalism is the teachings of the gambling lady of second chances when there is no second chance after the second coming for the unrentent wicked after the second coming according to God's Word.

Haha no, there is no gambling involved as FineLinen already stated.

It is God's decision!!!

God chooses (you know that).

From the foundation of the world.

And who did He choose? "Us", according to Ephesians 1:4.

Who is us? Is it all readers of those words everywhere?
It might be, considering the Bible is addressed to all mankind.

Let's see if we can confirm that:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1 Timothy 4:10)

Saviour of ALL men. Especially those that believe. So that implies even of those that don't believe.
That is big.

There is no mention of a deadline here. Not your deathbed, not the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

It is God's plan to save all of the world (yes, it goes beyond mankind):

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17)

That the world might be saved (through Him). Not part of the world, not just men, no, the world.
That is God's purpose for Jesus Christ. He is the Saviour of the world (not to say of the universe, but the Bible uses the term world).

There is more where that came from, but I think these verses are crystal clear.
If you Love God's Word as much as your username implies (or is that imperative? ) then you would probably be able to come up with a few verses yourself that confirm my case and that of my universalist friends such as FineLinen and ShrewdManager.

Colossians 1:20 is one of my favorites.

 

[FineLinen]

Let me summarise:

What you just repeated about metaphors, you originally said in post #2077.

I replied to that drawing a distinction between spirit and love (which can be demonstrated in Genesis 1:1 as pre-existing creation) and light and fire (which as shown in Romans 1:20-23 are ways of understanding God through his creation).

In #2084 I gave attributes of (literal, physical) fire and in #2085 you agreed that those did not describe God.

So I asked what you mean by fire since literal, physical fire is obviously created.

And now we are here.

Dear Lily: There are four things that define our God.

A characteristic is a distingishing trait/ quality/ property, all of which can be summed up as defining character.

The noun essence is a permanent (not accidental) element of being. This essence of our Lord is what He is & not only what He is, but a quality in excessve abundance.

The koine = esti.

A distinguishing trait/ quality/ property typical of an individual character.

 

[Jord Simcha]

God's Word teaches...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36

Yes, this is because they have to repent first.

2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9

I believe repentance and destruction go hand in hand. I believe God's Word destroys (sharper than any double edged sword) and resurrects.

3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.

Assuming they died on earth as their first death, I believe this second death is a spiritual death. Death of the old man. A death that believers already died having been crucified with Him, etc. I believe this death is a good death.

5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

I think you are assuming there are no resurrections after this. There is no more death, you're right, so I think I can assume nobody is dead then.

Now where is it in any of your post here that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming?

Right, they have to repent first. But it is implied that they will because of other verses. God saving everybody is clearly prophesied. For example in Hebrews 8:11.

 

[FineLinen]

Yes, this is because they have to repent first.


I believe repentance and destruction go hand in hand. I believe God's Word destroys (sharper than any double edged sword) and resurrects.

Assuming they died on earth as their first death, I believe this second death is a spiritual death. Death of the old man. A death that believers already died having been crucified with Him, etc. I believe this death is a good death.

I think you are assuming there are no resurrections after this. There is no more death, you're right, so I think I can assume nobody is dead then.


Right, they have to repent first. But it is implied that they will because of other verses. God saving everybody is clearly prophesied. For example in Hebrews 8:11.

Jord: we have missed you! It is a pleasure seeing you again.

The 2nd death is the beginning of the ending, when the God of glory consummates the all into Himself. Not one hoof is left behind whether they be goat, sheep or piglets!

"Death and the grave were cast into the Lake of Fire, and Rev. 20:l4 distinctly says "this IS the second death."

Let me ask any thinking believer that if Scripture means that these enemies of mankind, "death and the grave" are going to die the second time. You will say no.

Then why be inconsistent enough to insist that it means nothing but a literal death the second time for mankind.

By this Scripture, you may see at once that it is not the number of deaths that Yahweh is indicating but the kind of death or character of the destruction. I notice that writers on this subject who freely give a literal second death to human sinners are silent about "death and the grave" going into the same punishment, although the Bible boldly declares it.

The Second Death, by A. P. Adams

http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/...cond_death.htm

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Second Death

The Second Death, by A. P. Adams

Death and the grave were cast into the Lake of Fire, and Rev. 20:l4 distinctly says "this IS the second death."

Let me ask any thinking believer that if Scripture means that these enemies of mankind, "death and the grave" are going to die the second time. You will say no.

Then why be inconsistent enough to insist that it means nothing but a literal death the second time for mankind.

By this Scripture, you may see at once that it is not the number of deaths that Yahweh is indicating but the kind of death or character of the destruction. I notice that writers on this subject who freely give a literal second death to human sinners are silent about "death and the grave" going into the same punishment, although the Bible boldly declares it.

The Second Death, by A. P. Adams

This will most assuredly be a shock to your sensitive nature, dear friend of chance....

but

The Lake of Theos will be experienced by the radical all, the good, the bad & the ugly.

The ONLY individuals not "hurt" are the overcomer!

A. P. Adams cannot help you dear Fine as your pointing all to the teachings of intoxicated men who have been drinking from polluted water of the broken cisterns of the gambling lady of second chances. It is the Word of God that says (not me) the unrepentant wicked do not receive receive eternal life at the second coming but are destroyed in the lake of fire and receive the "second death" *2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 21:7-8 with the devil and His Angels *Matthew 25:41.

After the "second death" there is no more death only eternal life given as a gift and purchased by the precious blood of JESUS given to the Saints who inherit all things after the second coming *Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 20:14. The unrepentant wicked according to the scriptures only receive the second death where all are destroyed in the lake of fire according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-27; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 21:8.

For me dear friend only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. Yet here we are after 106 pages and 2100 + post and not a single scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming.

Does this not worry you dear friend? It should. The teachings of the gambling lady of second chances (Universalism) has it's origins in what the devil taught to Even in the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3:1-5. Time to leave the gambling lady dear fine and her polluted waters and return to the living waters of eternal life.

Hope this is helpful dear friend.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Dear Lily: There are four things that define our God.

A characteristic is a distingishing trait/ quality/ property, all of which can be summed up as defining character.

The noun essence is a permanent (not accidental) element of being. This essence of our Lord is what He is & not only what He is, but a quality in excessve abundance.

The koine = esti.

A distinguishing trait/ quality/ property typical of an individual character.

Basically it’s your statement of belief that the nature of God is fourfold but since I already gave reasons in both scripture and nature as to why I don’t see that statement as accurate it won’t do much to simply continue to repeat your statement of belief to me, without using scripture to show why the essence of God is fourfold and no more, no less, and also how you would describe fire as an essence pre-existing (so not interacting with) creation.

For example, there is a lot of rock imagery in scripture, saying not only that God is a rock, but also a fortress, that his name is a strong tower and that his Son is the foundation. The imagery of God as rock to the righteous is as consistent as the imagery of fire, yet you specifically include fire and exclude rock in your statement.

And then, again, since God is not a literal, physical rock as experienced in creation, we are learning about him (steady, strong, secure, immovable) through this. So since God is not a literal, physical fire as experienced in creation, we are learning about him through what is being said.

It seems that you take “our God is a consuming fire” literally but that you do not take “the Lord is my rock” literally and I don’t know where you got the idea that God has a fourfold essence from.

 

[FineLinen]

It seems that you take “our God is a consuming fire” literally but that you do not take “the Lord is my rock” literally and I don’t know where you got the idea that God has a fourfold essence from.

The man after Gods own heart (David) declared God as the rock of his life, the bedrock of his existence.

This is your assignment for today.

1. Take a concordance for Scripture.

2. Type in "God is".

3. Focus.

If you find other passages of Canon enunciating additional "God is" please let me know immediately.

God is Love, God is Light, God is Spirit, God is Fire.

 

[FineLinen]

Haha no, there is no gambling involved as FineLinen already stated.

It is God's decision!!!

God chooses (you know that).

From the foundation of the world.

And who did He choose? "Us", according to Ephesians 1:4.

Who is us? Is it all readers of those words everywhere?
It might be, considering the Bible is addressed to all mankind.

Let's see if we can confirm that:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1 Timothy 4:10)

Saviour of ALL men. Especially those that believe. So that implies even of those that don't believe.
That is big.

There is no mention of a deadline here. Not your deathbed, not the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

It is God's plan to save all of the world (yes, it goes beyond mankind):

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17)

That the world might be saved (through Him). Not part of the world, not just men, no, the world.
That is God's purpose for Jesus Christ. He is the Saviour of the world (not to say of the universe, but the Bible uses the term world).

There is more where that came from, but I think these verses are crystal clear.
If you Love God's Word as much as your username implies (or is that imperative? ) then you would probably be able to come up with a few verses yourself that confirm my case and that of my universalist friends such as FineLinen and ShrewdManager.

Colossians 1:20 is one of my favorites.

My brother Jord: The author of this link believes in chance. She also believes in the dogma of annhililation. In short, our God loses big time. He is Author, but alas is unable to finish what He has begun as Finisher.

The entire concept falls below silly to preposterous with a capital "P".

Perhaps absurd will express the ghastly thinking as well?

The Source, Guide & Goal of the all/ ta panta.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

The man after Gods own heart (David) declared God as the rock of his life, the bedrock of his existence.

This is your assignment for today.

1. Take a concordance for Scripture.

2. Type in "God is".

3. Focus.

If you find other passages of Canon enunciating additional "God is" please let me know immediately.

God is Love, God is Light, God is Spirit, God is Fire.

The rock imagery isn’t only from David, it’s threaded all the way through the renaming of Cephas/Petros to the knowledge of Christ as foundation.

I’m sorry but I don’t think this conversation is getting very far, God will take it from here.

My assignment for today is shalom.

 

[FineLinen]

The rock imagery isn’t only from David, it’s threaded all the way through the renaming of Cephas/Petros to the knowledge of Christ as foundation.

I’m sorry but I don’t think this conversation is getting very far, God will take it from here.

My assignment for today is shalom.

Lily: May the inexhaustable love and grace of God our Father be yours as He lifts you into fresh horizons of His glory.