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[moved] Where does God's Wrath begin in Revelation?

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The FP is the Antichrist. The ten horned beast is the global empire he rules over.
Sorry, but there are THREE in the unholy trinity:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. In General, all three are "antichrist." But only one comes AS IF He is Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be GOD. So the one who comes in the place of him to deceive will be the one to declares himself to be God: the man of sin turned Beast.
 
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His only claim to fame is this image. Wrong again: Satan, the Dragon remains HIDDEN: he is inside the Beast, possessing the man. That has been his trademark for centuries: do terrible things through men, but he remains hidden. The purpose of the FP causing the image to speak is just one more false miracle to deceive the people into believing the big lie: that he is God.
Iamlamad, I am afraid you are wrong on this one.

Satan will incarnate the statue image of the beast, making it appear to come alive and speak. Originally, when first made the image is inanimate, lifeless.

The first beast of Revelation 13 is a man and his kingdom. You are right on that one.

The second beast of Revelation 13 is the false prophet. You are right on that one.

The reason Satan will be incarnating the statue image and not the man is in the fulfillment of Ezekiel 28:16-19 about Satan's demise. The statue image of him will be turned to ashes exposing Satan all to see on the temple mount. Note: on my chart I have the statue image made and placed on the temple mount out in the open.


16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

The reason for the great statue to be on the temple mount in the open (and not inside the temple sanctuary building, is because that is where the false prophet will have people gather and/or forced to gather to bow before the great statue. Them who refuse will be killed (beheaded Revelation 20:4, so awful I hate to even type about it). Revelation 13:15. (noted on my chart above the statue image)


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The primary beast is Satan.


Scripture does NOT say the Satan is the Beast...
This shown in several passages:



Rev_16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth
of the dragon [Satan], and out of the mouth of the beast,
[followers of the False Prophet or Little Horn or Anti-Christ]
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Rev_20:10 And the devil [Satan] that deceived them was cast
into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [the followers
or Kingdom of the False Prophet/Little horn/Anti-Christ]
and
the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night
for ever and ever.


In the passages above we see the Devil is a different
entity than the Beast... there can be no doubt about that.
In the passages below we see Satan is the one who gives
the power and seat [rule] and authority to the False Prophet
or the Man of Sin or the Anti-Christ.


Satan is a spirit... and he must use a MAN to "overcome"
and rule over the Last Saints. This MAN is Satan's
chief emissary on earth... the MAN that's called the
"Little Horn" in the OT and the "False Prophet"
in the NT... commonly called THE Anti-Christ.




Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the
mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him [the Beast]
his power, and his seat, and great authority.


2Th 2:9 Even him, [the Man of Sin or False Prophet or Anti-Christ]
whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power
and signs and lying wonders,

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Satan will incarnate the statue image of the beast, making it appear to come alive and speak. Originally, when first made the image is inanimate, lifeless.]


The "image" does not represent a statue.
There is no Biblical reason to assume that.
That is a private interpretation which cannot
be supported with Scripture.

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I agree. Right on!


Of course SCRIPTURE disagrees with your private interpretation:


Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.


The eighth Beast is "of the Seven" because he is the SAME PERSON.
The Seventh Beast was Lead by a person who suffered what appeared
to be a fatal wound at the end of the 1st Woe. However, he is later
"resurrected" to lead the Second Beast during the 2nd Woe.


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The "image" does not represent a statue.
There is no Biblical reason to assume that.
That is a private interpretation which cannot
be supported with Scripture.

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G1504
εἰκών
eikōn
i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.
Total KJV occurrences: 23
 
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You know better! Why would you even write this? Jesus told them to flee when they SEE the abomination.
I was trying to get the poster Tim Ray to think about what he wrote regarding the beginning of the great tribulation as being because of a great earthquake. Please go back and reread my post, and the quote I made of Tim's post.
 
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G1504
εἰκών
eikōn
i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.
Total KJV occurrences: 23


Of course I agree the "image" is a representation of the Beast.
The image represents the Gospel of the Beast... that is the
representation of the Beast.

Of course this AGREES with the definition you offer above.

The Second Beast forces all to worship the Gospel of the
First Beast because the Gospel of the Second Beast is (basically)
the SAME GOSPEL as the First Beast.

BTW... do you understand there was a BEAST and an IMAGE
of the Beast and the MARK of the Beast for those living in the
(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and those in those in the (2nd) Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] and those living in the (3rd)
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] as well as those
in the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

If you understand this Biblical reality then you can realize
the "image" which the Second Beast forced worship on was
the GOSPEL of the First Beast.

And, again, this AGREES with your definition above because
that "image" (Gospel) is the representation of the Beast.


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G1504
εἰκών
eikōn
i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.
Total KJV occurrences: 23


BTW... I took the time to look up EACH of the 23 times
that word is used in the Bible and it NEVER represents
a statue.

So, you can hardly claim that it represents a statue in
Rev 13 when it NEVER represents a statue in the other
of the times it is used before Revelation.

In fact... the previous uses of the word AGREE with the teaching
that it is a representation and NOT a physical "image" or statue.

This is why it's so important to be able to DEFINE words like "Beast"
and "image" and "mark of the Beast" before we build doctrines around
words we cannot even DEFINE.

And this is WHY it's so important to understand the previous
"Kingdoms of Heaven" also had a "Beast" and an "image" and
a "mark of the Beast"... it gives us a better perspective of what
these terms mean in Revelation.



Jim
 
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BTW... I took the time to look up EACH of the 23 times
that word is used in the Bible and it NEVER represents
a statue.

So, you can hardly claim that it represents a statue in
Rev 13 when it NEVER represents a statue in the other
of the times it is used before Revelation.

Jim

The Greek definition of the word does support that the word can refer to a statue.

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This is likely referring to a statue of some type.

I don't know if the image of the beast will be a statue or not but if someone thinks it is, it would be biblically supported through the meaning of the Greek word.
 
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The Greek definition of the word does support that the word can refer to a statue.

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This is likely referring to a statue of some type.

I don't know if the image of the beast will be a statue or not but if someone thinks it is, it would be biblically supported through the meaning of the Greek word.


It may be Biblically supported by ONE VERSE but that ignores
all the other uses... and more importantly it ignores the context
of the use in Revelation.

It can be shown that the Second Beast is the SAME PERSON
as the First Beast who received what appeared to be a fatal
"head" wound at the end of the First Woe... but was then
"resurrected" to be the Second Beast.

In other words... the Seventh "head" is the same person
as he eighth "head" which is the Second Beast that goes
into perdition.

Rev 17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven
, and goeth into perdition.

So let's just TEST your assumption:
Since the eighth "head" is the same person as the seventh
"head" then that means the Second Beast required his followers
to make a statue of HIM (the Second Beast)... which makes
no sense whatsoever to say it's the "image" of the First Beast...
since it would be an "image" of the Second Beast as well.

The fact is: the word "image" represents the GOSPEL of the
Beasts (both First Beast and Second Beast) since the GOSPEL
of the Second Beast was basically the SAME GOSPEL as that
of the First Beast.

Moreover... there was a "Beast" and an "image" and the
"mark of the Beast" during EACH of the previous Beasts/Kingdoms.

That includes the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and the (2nd) Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] and the (3rd) Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] and the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] which is the SAME KINGDOM
as the Revelation Beast and Daniel's Fourth Beast/Kingdom.

Therefore... the notion that the Revelation "image" was a
statue ignores the PREVIOUS "images" which nobody claims
represented a statue. There must be "harmony of Scripture"
before we can pretend to have found Biblical Truth.

And to ignore the "Beast" and "image" and "mark" in all of
the PREVIOUS Kingdoms is to invalidate the notion that the
Revelation "image" is a physical statue.

And, of course, the argument above about the eighth "head"
being the SAME PERSON as the seventh "head" invalidates the
notion of a physical image for the reasons stated above.

Now... if someone was to SHOW how the "image" in the
previous Kingdoms/Beasts represented a physical statue
then (of course) they would have Biblical support for teaching
the Revelation "image" was a physical statue.

So your ONE VERSE of 23 showing a (possible) physical statue
does not provide much (or any) support that the "images" in
EACH PREVIOUS KINGDOM represented physical statues.

And that ONE VERSE you presented was not within the context
of the previous Beast/Kingdoms... it was talking about people who
were OUTSIDE of the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven".



Jim
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Just so the readers will know, I disagree with Douggg here: BOTH 1260 day periods, 11:3 and 12:6 are for the last half of the 70th week. In fact, God has given us 5 (five) mentions of a 3 1/2 year period of time, two given in days, two given in months and one given in "times" and ALL FIVE are for the last half of the week. And Daniel gave us two more.

The Beast's 42 months: last half of the week.

While the beast is beasting for his 42 months, the woman is being fed and protected for her time, times and half of time; and the woman is still fleeing as in away from her home in Judea (for 1260 days); and at the same time, the two witnesses will be testifying for their 1260 days , and the city will be being trampled for 42 months: all happening concurrently or simultaneously.
Quite correct. Good job!
But why do you believe you won't be on earth at that time?
WE Christians are the 'woman' who will be protected and kept in a place of safety. Revelation 12:14
 
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Quite correct. Good job!
But why do you believe you won't be on earth at that time?
WE Christians are the 'woman' who will be protected and kept in a place of safety. Revelation 12:14


No... no way.

The 1260 days of Rev 12:6 represents the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] during the Great Commission
as Satan is "bound" at the Cross.

The 1260 days of Rev 11 is also showing the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] during the Great Commission...

Now HOW do we know this?

Because the 1260 days of Revelation 11 represents the time
when the "Two Witnesses" testimony goes forth. Since we
are TOLD these "Two Witnesses" are two candlesticks and
two Olive Trees... we can show in Scripture that they just
represent the CHURCH.

So the 1260 days of the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses
is clearly the Great Commission of the Christian Church.

And when their "testimony" is "finished" (at the END of the
Great Commission) they are "overcome" and "killed" for
3.5 days... which represents the entire Revelation Beast,
as is shown in the following:


(1) The "Woman" which was hidden from the face of the "serpent"
for 3.5 "times" [Rev 12] The period of the Revelation Beast

(2) The "Holy People" whose "power is scattered" by the Anti-Christ
for 3.5 "times" [Dan 12] The period of the Revelation Beast

(3) The "Kings" that are "given into his hand" [the Anti-Christ's hand]
for 3.5 "times" [Dan 7] The period of the Revelation Beast

(4) The "Witnesses" which are first "overcome" and "killed" by Satan
for 3.5 "days" [Rev 11] The period of the Revelation Beast

(5) The "Holy City" which the Anti-Christ "treads under foot" forty-two months
or 3.5 "years" [Rev 11] The period of the Revelation Beast

(6) The "Ruler of the Last Saints" as the Anti-Christ "makes war" forty-two months
or 3.5 "years" [Rev 13] The period of the Revelation Beast

And I have not even mentioned the 3.5 "watches of the night" of the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] or the Revelation Beast
Do you even KNOW about these watches?

BOTTOM LINE:
For you to say the 3.5 days of Revelation 12 (shown in #1 above)
is not related to all the other 3.5 periods shown above is to simply
IGNORE the harmony of Scripture.

The "Testimony" of the "Two Witnesses" goes forth for 1260 days
(representing the Great Commission) they are "overcome and "killed"
for 3.5 days at the END of the Great Commission when all the elect
have been saved. They arise after the 3.5 days of the Revelation
Beast and are called in the Final Harvest:

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God
entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon
them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying
unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.

NOW you have "harmony of all related Scriptures" so NOW you can know
that you have found Biblical Truth.

Jim
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Scripture says he is the second beast:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
So where is Satan?
 
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Both I and scripture said the FP is the second beast not the first beast.


That is simply not so...
The False Prophet was the "head" of BOTH the First Beast and Second Beast.


First... Remember, we are talking about the 7-Headed "Beast".
It is very important for you to understand that the Bible often calls the
"head" of the Beast by the NAME "Beast" (since he is the "head") however the
Bible also calls the FOLLOWERS (or kingdom) of the "head" by the NAME "Beast"
because they are the "Kingdom" of that "head". This can be confusing unless
(a) you realize this reality and (b) you are careful to discern the context of
the passages using the term "Beast"... is it talking about the MAN who is
the "head"... or is it talking about the FOLLOWERS of that MAN?



Rev_16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, [Satan]
and out of the mouth of the beast, [followers of the False Prophet] and out of the mouth
of the false prophet. [head of the Beast]


You claim that YOU and SCRIPTURE say the FP is (only) the Second Beast...
but the CONTEXT above shows you are mistaken... since the context is during
the 2nd Woe or Sixth Trumpet or Second Revelation Beast and the passage clearly
identifies the FP and Beast are different entities. You are simply shown to be wrong
by Scripture.


Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates;
and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Notice this is the SAME EVENT as the passage below:


Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of
the golden altar which is before God, Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the
trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour,
and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.



BTW... the phrase "prepared for an hour and a day and a month and a year
to slay the third part of men
" represents the "killing" of the Great Tribulation Saints
or the "wise virgins" of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven". These saints were
"killed" because their prophecy was proven false on a specific year/month/day/hour.
And this all relates to the following:


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually
is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.Rev 11:9 And they of
the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three
days and an half
, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.Rev 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall
send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that
dwelt on the earth
.


The passage above is talking about the Two Witnesses of Rev 11 which are also shown
as the "Locusts" of Rev 9 who "tormented" those in the church during the First Beast.
It is the First Beast that is "killed" on a specific year/month/day/hour. At the END
of the 1st Woe and beginning of the 2nd Woe:


Rev 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns
of the golden altar which is before God, Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which
had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels
which are bound in the great river Euphrates
. Rev 9:15 And the four angels were
loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.



Moreover, we are told IN SCRIPTURE that the Second Beast (eighth head) was the
SAME PERSON as the First Beat (seventh head). The First Beast (seventh head)
was "killed" at the END of the 1st Woe/Fifth Trumpet by an apparently fatal "head"
wound. However he arose at the START of the 2nd Woe/Sixth Trumpet as the
Second Beast. In other words the PERSON leading the First Beast is the SAME
PERSON
leading the Second Beast.


Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


While the 7-Headed Beast of Revelation represented the completion of Daniel's
Four Beasts... one "head" from the first (Pre-Flood) Beast and one "head" from
the second (Jewish) Beast and four "heads" from the third (Christian) Beast and
one "head" from the fourth (Great Tribulation) Beast... IN FACT, this 7-Headed
Beast had an EIGHTH HEAD... which was the SAME PERSON as the seventh head.


If you think of it, it's an amazing reality that the 7-Headed Revelation Beast
actually had 8th "head"... but the eighth head was the same person as the seventh.
Still an amazing insight.


BTW, it was the eighth "head" that caused the FOLLOWERS to make an "image"
of the seventh "head". And it was the eighth "head" that forced the FOLLOWERS
to "worship" the "image" of the seventh "head". And it was the eighth "head"
that caused all the FOLLOWERS to take the "mark of the Beast" and it was
the eighth "head" that went into perdition.


Some context for you: While the Last Saints followed the seventh "head"
during the First Revelation Beast... when their prophecy was proven false
on a specific year/month/day/hour they "slumbered and slept" (were silent)
for a period. And the "wise virgins" separated from the "foolish virgins" when
the eighth "head" began preaching the "image" of the GOSPEL of the seventh
"head"


Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh;
go ye out to meet him. Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their
lamps. Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our
lamps are gone out.Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there
be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for
yourselves. Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came;
and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.



Of course verses 8-9 PROVE this parable/prophecy of the events during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" could NOT have happened during the
Great Commission of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" because AT NO TIME
during the Great Commission did the Saints REFUSE to preach to people and
send them to some other (unnamed) people to seek their salvation... but
that is exactly what happened during the Great Tribulation Kingdom.


If you want to say the False Prophet is the FIRST AND SECOND Beast...
then you would be correct. But to say he was (only) the Second Beast
is to deny the HARMONY of Rev 16:12-13 and Rev 9:15 (quoted above)
and all the additional information I have revealed to you about these Beasts.


BOTTOM LINE:
The False Prophet was the "head" of BOTH the First Beast and Second Beast
so it is not accurate for you to say that Scripture shows him as (ONLY) the
Second Beast and NOT the First Beast. Scripture says no such thing.

Jim
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Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh;
go ye out to meet him. Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their
lamps. Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our
lamps are gone out.Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there
be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for
yourselves. Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came;
and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.



Of course verses 8-9 PROVE this parable/prophecy of the events during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" could NOT have happened during the
Great Commission of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" because AT NO TIME
during the Great Commission did the Saints REFUSE to preach to people and
send them to some other (unnamed) people to seek their salvation... but
that is exactly what happened during the Great Tribulation Kingdom.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


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So where is Satan?


Rev_16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, [Satan]
and out of the mouth of the beast, [followers of the False Prophet] and out of the mouth
of the false prophet [the "head" of the First and Second Beast].


Rev 19:20
And the beast [followers of the False Prophet] was taken, and with him the false prophet
[the "head" of the First and Second Beast] that wrought miracles before him, with which he
deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
These both [the False Prophet and the followers] were cast alive into a lake of fire burning
with brimstone.


Rev_20:10
And the devil [Satan] that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast [followers of the False Prophet] and the false prophet [head of the
First and Second Beast]
are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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There is no question the "wise virgins" separated from the "foolish virgins"
AFTER the end of the First Beast. Did you not read the END of the story?


Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps
are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough
for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And
while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.


You have to read the END of the story to see how the Last Saints "overcame"
the Beast by the "blood of the Lamb". Do not forget... during the First Beast
all "ten virgins" are shown here:


Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received
no kingdom as yet; [during the Great Commission] but receive power as kings
one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power
and strength unto the beast.



Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give
their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.



The ten "virgins" (also shown in Dan 7 and Rev 17 as ten "kings/horns)
are "overcome" by Satan during the First Beast [Rev 11:7] but they
separate form the False Prophet during the Second Beast.


You have got to read the WHOLE STORY to understand the EVENTS
happening in the First Beast and Second Beast. Did you notice Rev 17:17
which said that God puts it in their hearts to "give their kingdom to the Beast"


Remember... the Judgment of God BEGINS on the "House of God"


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The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17
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For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN at the House of God
[both the "wheat and Tares"]: and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us
[begins with the saved "wheat"], what shall the end be of them that obey not
the Gospel of God [the unsaved "tares"] 18 And if the righteous [the saved "wheat"]
scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner [the unsaved "tares"] appear?
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The purpose of Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven" was to (first) bring
Judgment on the "Wise Virgins", or all the living Saints. This is shown in 1 Peter 4
as being both the "us" [in verse 17] and then as "the righteous" [in verse 18].
Then, after Judgment on the Saints is finished, God separates the "wheat and tares"
and brings Judgment on the "Anti-Christ" and "Foolish Virgins" (the Beast)...
which are represented by "them that obey not the Gospel of God" [in verse 17]
and then by "the ungodly and and the sinner" [in verse 18].
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Jim
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