The Nicene Creed

[DamianWarS]

could you show me a proof

Doesn't this forum itself provided sufficient proof? In order to participate in the Christian sections you must agree to the creed.

 

[lambofgod43985889]

Doesn't this forum itself provided sufficient proof? In order to participate in the Christian sections you must agree to the creed.

but the nicene creed involves to believe in god, it's simple, why to rename the faith as "nicene creed" i had never heard about such thing called nicene creed, i just believe in god purely as he is

 

[DamianWarS]

but the nicene creed involves to believe in god, it's simple, why to rename the faith as "nicene creed" i had never heard about such thing called nicene creed, i just believe in god purely as he is

well, you are participating in a Christian only section of CF which requires you to affirm the Nicene Creed which is their Statement of Faith. Perhaps you might want to acquaint yourself first with CF's Statement of Faith before you continue this conversation.

After you have read it do you agree with it? If not, then stop posting in this section and may I suggest you research your church's position on these things to see if they agree or disagree as well however if you do agree then congratulations you are a Nicene Christian and you've probably always have been you just didn't know it.

If you want to further go down the line you probably are a Chalcedonian Christian too but I'll let you research that one to know as to why you might be or not. I belong to the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, and I am a Chalcedonian Christian (which is inclusive Nicene Christianity)

 

[lambofgod43985889]

well, you are participating in a Christian only section of CF which requires you to affirm the Nicene Creed which is their Statement of Faith. Perhaps you might want to acquaint yourself first with CF's Statement of Faith before you continue this conversation.

After you have read it do you agree with it? If not, then stop posting in this section and may I suggest you research your church's position on these things to see if they agree or disagree as well however if you do agree then congratulations you are a Nicene Christian and you've probably always have been you just didn't know it.

If you want to further go down the line you probably are a Chalcedonian Christian too but I'll let you research that one to know as to why you might be or not. I belong to the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, and I am a Chalcedonian Christian (which is inclusive Nicene Christianity)

well, i read it. jesus is the only son of god or god has many many sons and daughters? and why it says "And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church" i can't say nothing against catholic church here in the forum

 

[Tutorman]

Since this is the basic foundation of what all Christians (Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestant) believe, how important do you think it is to have it memorized? Do you have it memorized? Does your church use this creed or another (i.e., Apostles' Creed)?

We use the Nicene creed without the filioque every Sunday expect for Trinity Sunday when we use the Athanasius creed. I was thinking I did not memorized than I remember that I can recite it without looking at the big screen we use and every once in a while we will have a homily on the Nicene creed

 

[DamianWarS]

well, i read it. jesus is the only son of god or god has many many sons and daughters?

the Son of God
the Only-Begotten

"only-begotten" means Jesus is the only son.

and why it says "And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church"

you must him missed the asterisk on the word catholic.

* The word "catholic" (literally, "complete," "universal," or "according to the whole") refers to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ and not necessarily or exclusively to any particular visible denomination, institution, or doctrine.

also, note it is not capitalized meaning catholic is not a proper noun but being used as a regular word. some translations of the creed choose to actually say "universal church" over "catholic" for this reason but traditionally the word used is "catholic"

the original creed is in greek then a Latin version was made. The Greek word used was καθολικὴν which is a normal Greek word with no spiritual significance. it is originally intended for "Christianity as a whole" rather than a part of it. the Latin version uses the word "catholicam" and although both are linked to the word "catholic" they still are everyday words.

i can't say nothing against catholic church here in the forum

you also can't say anything against the creed. CF has scripture references so those who question the lines or are unsure can look up the scripture that corresponds to it.

a good practice is to use a capital when referring to the Catholic Church over the catholic (universal) Chruch. This is the same for the word "orthodox" which again is just a word but when referring to the Orthodox Church use a capital letter. This would be to avoid confusion.

note: not everyone who calls themselves Christian will accept this creed, for example, those who do not value Christ as God would reject this. So the creed still has value because it helps to declare some of the core doctrinal beliefs of Christianity. This is of course why the creed was made to make it easier to identify who was Christian and who was not using creeds that can be committed to memory since scripture would not come in a pocket edition for like another 1600 years.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

are there two versions of the Nicene creed?

I found this online
IF IT IS TRUE I would like some clarification as to which Nicene creed CF wants us to adhere to

'Yes; the Creed of Trent, the canons and decrees of Trent, the Creed of Pius IV, those twelve articles which Rome has added to the ancient Nicene Creed, the sacrifice of the mass, transubstantiation, communion in one kind, the seven sacraments, traditions, Romish interpretation, Popish ceremonies, justification by works, purgatory, invocation of saints, indulgences, the worship of images, the absolute supremacy of the pope as the vicar of Christ, and no salvation out of union and communion with him, and submission to him: they confessed and professed them all, and swore adhesion to them,

Romanism and the Reformation - H. Grattan Guinness 36
Full text of "Romanism And The Reformation By Henry Grattan Guinness"

 

[FireDragon76]

We have so many creeds I can barely remember them all. Though I know the Nicene Creed more or less, it's easy to confuse it with the Apostles Creed, and we alternate the creeds at various times of the year . I wish we'ld just stick with the Apostles Creed for everyday use.

Good thing they put the creed in the fliers, though.

 

[Archivist]

We have so many creeds I can barely remember them all. Though I know the Nicene Creed more or less, it's easy to confuse it with the Apostles Creed, and we alternate the creeds at various times of the year . I wish we'ld just stick with the Apostles Creed for everyday use.

Good thing they put the creed in the fliers, though.

I'm curious...we use the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed, and once a year we recite the very long Athanasian Creed. What other creeds are there since you say we have so many?

 

[FireDragon76]

I'm curious...we use the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed, and once a year we recite the very long Athanasian Creed. What other creeds are there since you say we have so many?

Three is alot, considering the Orthodox only have one.

 

[Archivist]

Three is alot, considering the Orthodox only have one.

OK. I guess I just never thought of three as being a whole lot.

 

[Broken Fence]

Since this is the basic foundation of what all Christians (Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestant) believe, how important do you think it is to have it memorized? Do you have it memorized? Does your church use this creed or another (i.e., Apostles' Creed)?

Wow that is very interesting I never heard the creed before. I looked up a I do agree and thank might be important to memorize.

 

[Broken Fence]

We were saying Our Father and The Apostle Creed every Sunday in the Silesian Lutheran church.

Never the Nicene Creed, if I remember correctly.

I have never heard apostles creed either. Sorry I disagree I do not believe in the Catholic church I reject them because they are drunk on the blood of the saints.

 

[Broken Fence]

Lutherans consider the Nicene creed to be one of the three ecumenical creeds. We recite it in the Divine service just about every Sunday. Sometimes the Apostle's Creed is said instead or if there is a Baptism that day. Trinity Sunday we recite the Athanasian Creed. I have the Creed memorized as does most members the church I attend. I think every christian that uses the creed should have it memorized or at a minimum the Apostle's creed.

How can the Lutherans believe in the Roman Catholic church which is part of the creed?

 

[PloverWing]

I have never heard apostles creed either. Sorry I disagree I do not believe in the Catholic church I reject them because they are drunk on the blood of the saints.

Protestants who say the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds understand the word "catholic" in the creed to mean "universal", the body of all Christians worldwide and throughout history.

(I disagree with your assessment of the [Roman] Catholic Church, but let's leave it at that; I don't want to distract from the main thread of discussion.)

 

[Broken Fence]

Protestants who say the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds understand the word "catholic" in the creed to mean "universal", the body of all Christians worldwide and throughout history

Yea I don't consider myself a protestant either.

 

[PloverWing]

Yea I don't consider myself a protestant either.

Fine, but the point is that "catholic" can be understood as meaning something other than "Roman Catholic".

 

[ViaCrucis]

I have never heard apostles creed either. Sorry I disagree I do not believe in the Catholic church I reject them because they are drunk on the blood of the saints.

How can the Lutherans believe in the Roman Catholic church which is part of the creed?

You would benefit greatly by learning some basic Christian history.

1) The word "catholic" comes from the Greek katholikos, meaning "according to the whole", and it is a description of the Christian Church. Namely it speaks of the unity of the Church, for whether the Church in Corinth or the Church in Jerusalem, there is still one Church. We refer to this as the catholicity of the Church, that is the unity of the Church both geographically and in time--all who belong to Christ are members of His one holy Church, making that Church catholic.

2) Rome considers herself the sole legitimate expression of the Church Catholic, claiming that unless one is in communion with the bishop of Rome one is not in communion with the Catholic Church. On this point Protestants and Orthodox vehemently disagree, we reject the special claims made by the bishop of Rome, and that it's claim to being the one Church Christ instituted to be false. Not because the Church of Rome isn't Christian, but because the Church of Rome has abandoned her communion with the Church Catholic. It is Rome, from both an Orthodox as well as a Lutheran view, that has broken off her communion with the Catholic Church. It is Rome that needs to be restored to communion with us, not the other way around.

3) There is sufficient blood that has been shed by Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians; enough so that to claim that Rome is somehow "drunk on the blood of the saints" to be empty nonsense. Read up on the wars of religion in Europe, read up on the persecution of Catholics in Protestant territories. Pretending like Rome is somehow uniquely guilty of bloodshed against fellow Christians is to demonstrate a severe ignorance of western history.

I heavily recommend that you devote some energy to the study of Christian history.

The books I usually recommend are Church History in Plain Language by Dr. Bruce Shelley, The Story of Christianity by Dr. Justo Gonzalez, and The Orthodox Church by Met. Kallistos Ware.

Dr. Bruce Shelley was Senior Professor of Church History and Historical Theology at Denver Theological Seminary.

Dr. Justo Gonzalez studied at Yale, earning his M.A. and Ph.D, a doctorate in historical theology. And has taught at various seminaries and universities, including the Evangelical Seminary of Puerto Rico, Emory University in Georgia, and Columbia Theological Seminary.

Metropolitan Bishop Timothy Kallistos Ware, titular bishop of Diokleia, served for over three decades as the Spalding Lecturer of Eastern Orthodox Studies at Oxford University.

In other words, two Protestants and an Orthodox Christian; all three with extensive education and academic training and experience in their fields, and whose work has been highly praised.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Broken Fence]

Fine, but the point is that "catholic" can be understood as meaning something other than "Roman Catholic".

I don't understand that at all.

 

[Broken Fence]

You would benefit greatly by learning some basic Christian history.

1) The word "catholic" comes from the Greek katholikos, meaning "according to the whole", and it is a description of the Christian Church. Namely it speaks of the unity of the Church, for whether the Church in Corinth or the Church in Jerusalem, there is still one Church. We refer to this as the catholicity of the Church, that is the unity of the Church both geographically and in time--all who belong to Christ are members of His one holy Church, making that Church catholic.

2) Rome considers herself the sole legitimate expression of the Church Catholic, claiming that unless one is in communion with the bishop of Rome one is not in communion with the Catholic Church. On this point Protestants and Orthodox vehemently disagree, we reject the special claims made by the bishop of Rome, and that it's claim to being the one Church Christ instituted to be false. Not because the Church of Rome isn't Christian, but because the Church of Rome has abandoned her communion with the Church Catholic. It is Rome, from both an Orthodox as well as a Lutheran view, that has broken off her communion with the Catholic Church. It is Rome that needs to be restored to communion with us, not the other way around.

3) There is sufficient blood that has been shed by Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians; enough so that to claim that Rome is somehow "drunk on the blood of the saints" to be empty nonsense. Read up on the wars of religion in Europe, read up on the persecution of Catholics in Protestant territories. Pretending like Rome is somehow uniquely guilty of bloodshed against fellow Christians is to demonstrate a severe ignorance of western history.

I heavily recommend that you devote some energy to the study of Christian history.

The books I usually recommend are Church History in Plain Language by Dr. Bruce Shelley, The Story of Christianity by Dr. Justo Gonzalez, and The Orthodox Church by Met. Kallistos Ware.

Dr. Bruce Shelley was Senior Professor of Church History and Historical Theology at Denver Theological Seminary.

Dr. Justo Gonzalez studied at Yale, earning his M.A. and Ph.D, a doctorate in historical theology. And has taught at various seminaries and universities, including the Evangelical Seminary of Puerto Rico, Emory University in Georgia, and Columbia Theological Seminary.

Metropolitan Bishop Timothy Kallistos Ware, titular bishop of Diokleia, served for over three decades as the Spalding Lecturer of Eastern Orthodox Studies at Oxford University.

In other words, two Protestants and an Orthodox Christian; all three with extensive education and academic training and experience in their fields, and whose work has been highly praised.

-CryptoLutheran

Thank you for the information yea I have had not so good experience in church.